The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 11:58 AM
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0109?hub=World
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...an-usnavy.html
Benifit of the doubt? I think not... the US has cried wolf one too many times and got us all sucked in for sympathy and false principles, and I'm pretty sick of it myself.
If Iran was jerking the US around with their little rum runner boats, good.... nobody was shot or killed, no big deal.... just drama.
It's like when the gangstas drive by you slowly and one guy sticks his head out of the window and makes a gun shooting gesture at you that you're dead..... no harm done.
*snickers*
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0109?hub=World
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/0...an-usnavy.html
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I'd hate to say it... no wait, I don't, I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now. Half the US could be on fire and everybody fleeing for their lives.... but how can anybody believe what they say or claim now?
TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran on Wednesday called video and audio released by the Pentagon showing Iranian Revolutionary Guards boats confronting U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz "fabricated," a state-run television station reported.
"The footage released by the U.S. Navy was compiled using file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," the English-language channel Press TV quoted an official in the Revolutionary Guards as saying.
The report did not give the name of the Revolutionary Guard figure and did not offer more details about how the official knew the footage was "fabricated."
The Pentagon on Tuesday released a four-minute, 20-second video that included audio showing small Iranian boats swarming around U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. In the recording, a man speaking in heavily accented English threatened, "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."
The Iranian boats appeared to ignore repeated warnings from the U.S. ships, including horn blasts and radio transmissions, according to the video, which was shot from the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper.
From the Hopper, after spotting the approaching Iranian boats, a U.S. Navy crew member says over the radio: "This is coalition warship. I am engaged in transit passage in accordance with international law. Intend no harm."
President Bush on Tuesday denounced the incident as a "provocative act."
The audio and video recordings were made separately but were pulled together by the Navy. Often uneven and shaky, the video condenses what Navy officials have said was a 20-minute or so clash.
The top Navy commander in the Gulf has said the Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Sunday. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and then fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff said. No shots were fired.
In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry has suggested that the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels. Spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident.
"That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," he told the official Islamic Republic News Agency.
On Wednesday, Iran's Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar reiterated that the incident was not unusual.
"The identification of vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian Navy units is a natural occurrence," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying. "Islamic Republic of Iran Navy units always put questions to passing vessels and warships at the Strait of Hormuz and they need to identify themselves. This is in accordance with the normal procedures."
Najjar called Western news reports that the boats threatened to blow up the U.S. warships as "mischief."
"(Iranian) Navy units ... asked them to identify themselves. They responded accordingly and continued their path," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying.
During a White House news conference, Bush called the situation "dangerous."
"They should not have done it, pure and simple," he said. "I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."
Cosgriff also has disputed Iran's claims that the incident was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.
"The footage released by the U.S. Navy was compiled using file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," the English-language channel Press TV quoted an official in the Revolutionary Guards as saying.
The report did not give the name of the Revolutionary Guard figure and did not offer more details about how the official knew the footage was "fabricated."
The Pentagon on Tuesday released a four-minute, 20-second video that included audio showing small Iranian boats swarming around U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. In the recording, a man speaking in heavily accented English threatened, "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."
The Iranian boats appeared to ignore repeated warnings from the U.S. ships, including horn blasts and radio transmissions, according to the video, which was shot from the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper.
From the Hopper, after spotting the approaching Iranian boats, a U.S. Navy crew member says over the radio: "This is coalition warship. I am engaged in transit passage in accordance with international law. Intend no harm."
President Bush on Tuesday denounced the incident as a "provocative act."
The audio and video recordings were made separately but were pulled together by the Navy. Often uneven and shaky, the video condenses what Navy officials have said was a 20-minute or so clash.
The top Navy commander in the Gulf has said the Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters on Sunday. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and then fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff said. No shots were fired.
In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry has suggested that the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels. Spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident.
"That is something normal that takes place every now and then for each party," he told the official Islamic Republic News Agency.
On Wednesday, Iran's Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar reiterated that the incident was not unusual.
"The identification of vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian Navy units is a natural occurrence," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying. "Islamic Republic of Iran Navy units always put questions to passing vessels and warships at the Strait of Hormuz and they need to identify themselves. This is in accordance with the normal procedures."
Najjar called Western news reports that the boats threatened to blow up the U.S. warships as "mischief."
"(Iranian) Navy units ... asked them to identify themselves. They responded accordingly and continued their path," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying.
During a White House news conference, Bush called the situation "dangerous."
"They should not have done it, pure and simple," he said. "I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act."
Cosgriff also has disputed Iran's claims that the incident was a routine encounter, saying Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.
Benifit of the doubt? I think not... the US has cried wolf one too many times and got us all sucked in for sympathy and false principles, and I'm pretty sick of it myself.
If Iran was jerking the US around with their little rum runner boats, good.... nobody was shot or killed, no big deal.... just drama.
It's like when the gangstas drive by you slowly and one guy sticks his head out of the window and makes a gun shooting gesture at you that you're dead..... no harm done.
*snickers*
Bright Spark
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January 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Praxius, "I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now."
That cannot be true. For one thing, Iran uses government news channels and the U.S. does not. We'll hear more evidence and the opinions of investigatos and experts if this matter has the least credibility.
The Gulf of Tonkin matter is fresh in the minds of two living generations. The administration will not open the coming war on Iran by claiming that American warships were imperilled by speed boats. So why even bother to fake the footage? The Iranian claim is not evidence because the Iranians have no integrity. The Americans held their fire. Maybe this is prelude to the next incident where they will not hold their fire.
Any conspiracy theorist worth his B.S. would know that this silly matter is hardly worth the phony pictures, but once faked, is worth some careers.
Praxius, "I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now."
That cannot be true. For one thing, Iran uses government news channels and the U.S. does not. We'll hear more evidence and the opinions of investigatos and experts if this matter has the least credibility.
The Gulf of Tonkin matter is fresh in the minds of two living generations. The administration will not open the coming war on Iran by claiming that American warships were imperilled by speed boats. So why even bother to fake the footage? The Iranian claim is not evidence because the Iranians have no integrity. The Americans held their fire. Maybe this is prelude to the next incident where they will not hold their fire.
Any conspiracy theorist worth his B.S. would know that this silly matter is hardly worth the phony pictures, but once faked, is worth some careers.
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January 9th, 2008, 02:59 PM
I even believe that this incident was much ado about nothing. I watched the video and was laughing. They looked like a couple of drunken clowns in their speed boats. But to say they were faked...c'mon. If it wasn't for the USS Cole incident this would not even be news but we know what a small boat can do.
But seriously...THAT was the elite Revolutionary Guard! I'd deny it too if I was Iran!
I even believe that this incident was much ado about nothing. I watched the video and was laughing. They looked like a couple of drunken clowns in their speed boats. But to say they were faked...c'mon. If it wasn't for the USS Cole incident this would not even be news but we know what a small boat can do.
But seriously...THAT was the elite Revolutionary Guard! I'd deny it too if I was Iran!
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Iran discontinued their nuclear weapons program a few years back, even though the US media and Bush continually attacked Iran's nuclear power plans (which they have every right to seek) as being a nuclear weapons program. Iran said what they were doing clearly and apparently it was proven to be true, not just by UN nuclear watchdogs who went in to investigate, but also from US intelligence.... which seems like an oxymoron these days.
Then you have Iraq, Afghanistan, need I go on about the track records?
Iran isn't the friendliest place on earth and know how to rub people the wrong way, but I have not seen anything proving much of what the US has been accusing them of for the last few years.
Wow... they sure are tough and certainly know how to keep their cool it would seem.... either that or nothing ever did happen to begin with and there was nothing to shoot at in the first place.
Didn't the US basically start the Vietnam War based on one of their ships being attacked, when in fact it was sunken by their own forces and blamed on Vietnam in order to start the war?
Didn't Bush and his hinchmen parade around for a year, all these "Show Nothing" photos of hangers and bunkers in Iraq claiming the WOMD were in them, or they were over her, or over there.... only to never actually see any physical evidence of any weapons of any kind?
How did that turn out? Oh yes, they found exactly what was shown in their photos.... Nothing.
There has been way too many false claims by the US on Iran and other countries who don't mesh with them.
Oh and did anybody else pick up on the interesting timing of this to occur not too long after the Nuclear Weapons development thing went down the tubes? That didn't work, so now we'll say they're attacking us... but not actually attacking us.... psssh... my geez.
Quoting jimshort19
Then allow me to clarify my stance in the following:
Praxius, "I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now."
That cannot be true.
That cannot be true.
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The US media is not run by the government? Perhaps not directly, but case in point: FOX News, CNN, CNN Headline, etc. If you can tell me without blinking that these stations do not have a level of political influence and perhaps provide a bit of evidence in this, then I will be impressed, but we're going on at least 8 years of continual BS from US media and officials.
For one thing, Iran uses government news channels and the U.S. does not. We'll hear more evidence and the opinions of investigatos and experts if this matter has the least credibility.
Iran discontinued their nuclear weapons program a few years back, even though the US media and Bush continually attacked Iran's nuclear power plans (which they have every right to seek) as being a nuclear weapons program. Iran said what they were doing clearly and apparently it was proven to be true, not just by UN nuclear watchdogs who went in to investigate, but also from US intelligence.... which seems like an oxymoron these days.
Then you have Iraq, Afghanistan, need I go on about the track records?
Iran isn't the friendliest place on earth and know how to rub people the wrong way, but I have not seen anything proving much of what the US has been accusing them of for the last few years.
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sounds more like tough talk on the US's behalf.... OOooo... we had some little boats come and tell us we're gonna get blown up by them (This coming from people in a ship several times larger then the speed boats and more armed) and they're lucky they left at the last second because we were gonna blow them up real good....
The Gulf of Tonkin matter is fresh in the minds of two living generations. The administration will not open the coming war on Iran by claiming that American warships were imperilled by speed boats. So why even bother to fake the footage? The Iranian claim is not evidence because the Iranians have no integrity. The Americans held their fire. Maybe this is prelude to the next incident where they will not hold their fire.
Wow... they sure are tough and certainly know how to keep their cool it would seem.... either that or nothing ever did happen to begin with and there was nothing to shoot at in the first place.
Didn't the US basically start the Vietnam War based on one of their ships being attacked, when in fact it was sunken by their own forces and blamed on Vietnam in order to start the war?
Didn't Bush and his hinchmen parade around for a year, all these "Show Nothing" photos of hangers and bunkers in Iraq claiming the WOMD were in them, or they were over her, or over there.... only to never actually see any physical evidence of any weapons of any kind?
How did that turn out? Oh yes, they found exactly what was shown in their photos.... Nothing.
There has been way too many false claims by the US on Iran and other countries who don't mesh with them.
Oh and did anybody else pick up on the interesting timing of this to occur not too long after the Nuclear Weapons development thing went down the tubes? That didn't work, so now we'll say they're attacking us... but not actually attacking us.... psssh... my geez.
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 03:06 PM
That's like Canadians marching in snow shoes with beavers in hand saying we're gonna come across the border and slap the syrup out of ya... it's not really all that threatening, let along make you look tough.
Quoting EagleSmack
That's another thing.... why would Iran send their Revolutionary Guard against the US Navy in little dingys? What did they send back when they actually captured those British? Now they send little boats as a threat to the US?
I even believe that this incident was much ado about nothing. I watched the video and was laughing. They looked like a couple of drunken clowns in their speed boats. But to say they were faked...c'mon. If it wasn't for the USS Cole incident this would not even be news but we know what a small boat can do.
But seriously...THAT was the elite Revolutionary Guard! I'd deny it too if I was Iran!
But seriously...THAT was the elite Revolutionary Guard! I'd deny it too if I was Iran!
That's like Canadians marching in snow shoes with beavers in hand saying we're gonna come across the border and slap the syrup out of ya... it's not really all that threatening, let along make you look tough.
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January 9th, 2008, 03:14 PM
U.S. not controlling the media is a false assumption.
I agree with you Praxius, about indirect control and manipulation. This is not a conspiracy, its the truth. Media fabricated mostly good side of the war between the Operation Iraqi Freedom. We hear numbers of dead bodies, but do we SEE dead bodies?
We used to, back in Vietnam era. But no anymore, nada, because "media is not allowed to."
U.S. not controlling the media is a false assumption.
I agree with you Praxius, about indirect control and manipulation. This is not a conspiracy, its the truth. Media fabricated mostly good side of the war between the Operation Iraqi Freedom. We hear numbers of dead bodies, but do we SEE dead bodies?
We used to, back in Vietnam era. But no anymore, nada, because "media is not allowed to."
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January 9th, 2008, 03:40 PM
I thrive on that kind of humor!
Anyway, the wheels in my head are always turning and I think, if anything, it is getting too crowded down there with all the US war ships, submarines and airplane carriers. A neutral traffic controller is needed!
Quoting Praxius
That's like Canadians marching in snow shoes with beavers in hand saying we're gonna come across the border and slap the syrup out of ya... it's not really all that threatening, let alone make you look tough.
I thrive on that kind of humor! Anyway, the wheels in my head are always turning and I think, if anything, it is getting too crowded down there with all the US war ships, submarines and airplane carriers. A neutral traffic controller is needed!
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January 9th, 2008, 03:55 PM
No US ship was ever sunk during the Tonkin Gulf incident. Not by us, not by them, not by aliens.
Quoting Praxius
When in fact it was sunken by their own forces? You see...how can you say that and use the word "fact".
Didn't the US basically start the Vietnam War based on one of their ships being attacked, when in fact it was sunken by their own forces and blamed on Vietnam in order to start the war?
No US ship was ever sunk during the Tonkin Gulf incident. Not by us, not by them, not by aliens.
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January 9th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Quoting Praxius
sounds more like tough talk on the US's behalf.... OOooo... we had some little boats come and tell us we're gonna get blown up by them (This coming from people in a ship several times larger then the speed boats and more armed) and they're lucky they left at the last second because we were gonna blow them up real good....
Obviously you are ignoring the USS Cole incident when a "little boat" blew a huge hole in the size of a ship several times larger killing a whole bunch of sailors.
sounds more like tough talk on the US's behalf.... OOooo... we had some little boats come and tell us we're gonna get blown up by them (This coming from people in a ship several times larger then the speed boats and more armed) and they're lucky they left at the last second because we were gonna blow them up real good....
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January 9th, 2008, 04:04 PM
Quoting dancing-loon I thrive on that kind of humor!
Anyway, the wheels in my head are always turning and I think, if anything, it is getting too crowded down there with all the US war ships, submarines and airplane carriers. A neutral traffic controller is needed!
I like that humor too. It is amusing to me to think of something so foolish.
I thrive on that kind of humor! Anyway, the wheels in my head are always turning and I think, if anything, it is getting too crowded down there with all the US war ships, submarines and airplane carriers. A neutral traffic controller is needed!
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January 9th, 2008, 06:26 PM
I'm sure Iran sent those poor guys out there , only as sitting ducks, to get picked off one by one, THEN, they would whine to the world,
how the U.S. shot and killed their 'poor', 'innocent', fisherman, who were out there
doing a good job, trying to feed their families.
Well, it backfired, now, if they do it again, and get blown out of the water, that story
won't fly.
I'm sure Iran sent those poor guys out there , only as sitting ducks, to get picked off one by one, THEN, they would whine to the world,
how the U.S. shot and killed their 'poor', 'innocent', fisherman, who were out there
doing a good job, trying to feed their families.
Well, it backfired, now, if they do it again, and get blown out of the water, that story
won't fly.
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January 9th, 2008, 07:36 PM
``I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now``
Just about everyone else also prefers to believe Iran than to believe anything the Bush regime has to say.
It makes you wonder when the hell is the rest of the world going to stop its stupid campaign of appeasement and finally stand up to terrorist Bush.
``I'd trust Iran over the US any friggin day of the week now``
Just about everyone else also prefers to believe Iran than to believe anything the Bush regime has to say.
It makes you wonder when the hell is the rest of the world going to stop its stupid campaign of appeasement and finally stand up to terrorist Bush.
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Unfortunatly we don't hear too much about our wounded.
But think about that in comparison to the US. Sure CNN will post them, like they did before the new year to mark those who sacraficed their lives in the past year, but it's only some and they just flash through the screen in seconds and no details.... just a face and name.
No human factor comes into play when it comes to US military and the military.... perhaps if they did take the time out of the day to tell people who died today, how and when they're coming home, perhaps the collective of the US would be more wise in decisions on what wars they start.
Oh yeah.... I forgot, that sort of thing doesn't help promote the war effort to send more poor people in the ghettos to their deaths, because the system keeps them where they are and they have no other options of a future. Hey! They get free college and education and all that.... if they live. Frig, I'll just file for a student loan or learn online, frig that.
Quoting YoungJoonKim
And a good example of this is when evertime a Canadian soldier is killed, they're known across the country, what happened to them, when they load the plane in the air base, when they arrive back home, and sometimes the funerals if the families agree.
U.S. not controlling the media is a false assumption.
I agree with you Praxius, about indirect control and manipulation. This is not a conspiracy, its the truth. Media fabricated mostly good side of the war between the Operation Iraqi Freedom. We hear numbers of dead bodies, but do we SEE dead bodies?
We used to, back in Vietnam era. But no anymore, nada, because "media is not allowed to."
I agree with you Praxius, about indirect control and manipulation. This is not a conspiracy, its the truth. Media fabricated mostly good side of the war between the Operation Iraqi Freedom. We hear numbers of dead bodies, but do we SEE dead bodies?
We used to, back in Vietnam era. But no anymore, nada, because "media is not allowed to."
Unfortunatly we don't hear too much about our wounded.
But think about that in comparison to the US. Sure CNN will post them, like they did before the new year to mark those who sacraficed their lives in the past year, but it's only some and they just flash through the screen in seconds and no details.... just a face and name.
No human factor comes into play when it comes to US military and the military.... perhaps if they did take the time out of the day to tell people who died today, how and when they're coming home, perhaps the collective of the US would be more wise in decisions on what wars they start.
Oh yeah.... I forgot, that sort of thing doesn't help promote the war effort to send more poor people in the ghettos to their deaths, because the system keeps them where they are and they have no other options of a future. Hey! They get free college and education and all that.... if they live. Frig, I'll just file for a student loan or learn online, frig that.
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 07:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Oh yes, Bush didn't knowingly lie about everything so far... History repeats itself until we learn from our past mistakes.
Quoting EagleSmack
I'm going from memory here, picky picky, sink / attacked, either way.... attacked is even more probable as a fake.
When in fact it was sunken by their own forces? You see...how can you say that and use the word "fact".
No US ship was ever sunk during the Tonkin Gulf incident. Not by us, not by them, not by aliens.
No US ship was ever sunk during the Tonkin Gulf incident. Not by us, not by them, not by aliens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
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^ Which was the main point I was getting at
On August 2, 1964, the USS Maddox, on an intelligence mission along North Vietnam's coast, was attacked by torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin.[81] A second attack was reported two days later on the USS Turner Joy and Maddox in the same area. The circumstances of the attack were murky.
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Sound familiar?
George C. Herring argues, however, that McNamara and the Pentagon "did not knowingly lie about the alleged attacks, but they were obviously in a mood to retaliate and they seem to have selected from the evidence available to them those parts that confirmed what they wanted to believe.
Oh yes, Bush didn't knowingly lie about everything so far... History repeats itself until we learn from our past mistakes.
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January 9th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Until I see or hear some other evidence besides this "RealTV" shortclip of blurry crap in a boat you can't identify, and where the audio doesn't sound like it was recorded in what it wasn't, I'm not even going to considder this incident occured..... one of my side professions is video and audio editing, and that clip they showed was pretty piss poor, much like everything else.
About Cole, two different situations. Although both had the boats in question, doesn't that sound a little too cheesy of a story line for Iran to send little boats to your big boats to scare fear into the people back in the US of something familiar occuring from your recent past? That's just a little too drama queeny for my liking and just doesn't sound like Iran.
I mean I can see the Guard taking the British soldiers in small boats like the ones in this crap video (Although don't seem to be the same kind the Iranians used originally) because they were in a small merchant ship. But one would think if you wanted to flex a little military muscle, Iran would have sent destroyers or cruise ships, or something big enough that would have done something to the US fleet.
But see, another reason why I think this is fake and the US made it up, is because I wonder just how much knowlege the US has on the Iran fleet. If they use little boats, then you don't have to worry about showing on tv the numbers of what ships you were up againsts and their class, etc.... there'd be some solid evidence of this occuring.
Well let me put this in shorter terms.... Everybody remember Canadian Bacon? (The Movie)
Quoting EagleSmack
I'm not ignoring it, it was just never brought to my personal attention in the topic yet.
Obviously you are ignoring the USS Cole incident when a "little boat" blew a huge hole in the size of a ship several times larger killing a whole bunch of sailors.
Until I see or hear some other evidence besides this "RealTV" shortclip of blurry crap in a boat you can't identify, and where the audio doesn't sound like it was recorded in what it wasn't, I'm not even going to considder this incident occured..... one of my side professions is video and audio editing, and that clip they showed was pretty piss poor, much like everything else.
About Cole, two different situations. Although both had the boats in question, doesn't that sound a little too cheesy of a story line for Iran to send little boats to your big boats to scare fear into the people back in the US of something familiar occuring from your recent past? That's just a little too drama queeny for my liking and just doesn't sound like Iran.
I mean I can see the Guard taking the British soldiers in small boats like the ones in this crap video (Although don't seem to be the same kind the Iranians used originally) because they were in a small merchant ship. But one would think if you wanted to flex a little military muscle, Iran would have sent destroyers or cruise ships, or something big enough that would have done something to the US fleet.
But see, another reason why I think this is fake and the US made it up, is because I wonder just how much knowlege the US has on the Iran fleet. If they use little boats, then you don't have to worry about showing on tv the numbers of what ships you were up againsts and their class, etc.... there'd be some solid evidence of this occuring.
Well let me put this in shorter terms.... Everybody remember Canadian Bacon? (The Movie)
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Excuses. Nobody wants to impeach the president or send him off for war crimes, because all those who backed him originally have to "Stay the course" and it'll work. Sorta like when you already had a crappy hand delt to you, and you still think you can bluff your way out.
The moment humanity begins to learn responsibility and consiquence again, then we might see things go right for once.
I know I'll screw up plenty of times in my life.... like the above example of sink/attack. But at least I don't stomp my feet and go "No! I'm Right! YOU'RE THE DEVIL!!"
Quoting gopher
Because society today doesn't like to admit they were wrong, society doesn't like to take responsibility.... It's always someone else's fault, or some mental disease, or the evidence was there, they just must have moved it. Just about everyone else also prefers to believe Iran than to believe anything the Bush regime has to say.
It makes you wonder when the hell is the rest of the world going to stop its stupid campaign of appeasement and finally stand up to terrorist Bush.
It makes you wonder when the hell is the rest of the world going to stop its stupid campaign of appeasement and finally stand up to terrorist Bush.
Excuses. Nobody wants to impeach the president or send him off for war crimes, because all those who backed him originally have to "Stay the course" and it'll work. Sorta like when you already had a crappy hand delt to you, and you still think you can bluff your way out.
The moment humanity begins to learn responsibility and consiquence again, then we might see things go right for once.
I know I'll screw up plenty of times in my life.... like the above example of sink/attack. But at least I don't stomp my feet and go "No! I'm Right! YOU'RE THE DEVIL!!"
The Angry Beaver
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January 9th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Quoting EagleSmack
Half of my post is usually honest and straight forward with a point, then I try and make the other half a bit senseless. It's a balance to make sure nobody starts to take me too seriously. If I was straight forward and serious all the time, I'd be Prime Minister by now..... MOOO HOOO HAW HAW HAW HAW!!
I like that humor too. It is amusing to me to think of something so foolish.
