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Girl dead for not wearing burka

Niflmir

#91

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

I have many times tried to learn about the various forms of Sharia law, because every sect seems to have their own take, and I always hit the same road blocks:

Because it is based on interpretation of the Quran, only one who can read arabic can claim to understand it.
Because it is based on interpretation of the Hadith, only one who has heard the verbal sayings of Mohammed can claim to understand it.
It stems from faith and so does not have a rational basis.

A little explanation, on point 3 is in order. When one has faith in the written words of humanity, for instance the Quran, the bible, or the eddas, one believes that they are not the written words of humans; they are divine truths. Anything which is logically a contradiction if taken literally, must be reinterpreted correctly. But because it is not the word of humans, historical context and intent are meaningless. Interpretation of the book is instead based upon some notion of divinity which in turn must be learned from the book which needs be interpreted, a clear failing for those who would have objective moral views.

All that goes to say that a Westerner cannot know the various Sharia laws without learning Arabic and tracking down the Hadith, and a verbal tradition can certainly not be cited. Plus there are many schools of thought on the correct interpretation of a holy book, as any one knows by looking at the plethora of choices in Christianity alone.

Religion causes intolerance. All major religions say: "There is one way to live a pure life, and this is it," anything else is immoral. It is normal to think that immoral people deserve punishment, and humans are notoriously barbaric, the first punishment we reach for is the infliction of pain. Thus, intolerance causes violence. If one is willing to be a heretic and say, "Our religion does not encompass the only knowledge of divinity," then one can be tolerant; but a heretic can never claim to represent the religion.

Zzarchov

#92

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by doonertbay

If the father of this young girl killed her for not wearing her burka, he should be deported immediately at his own cost(siezing his assets to pay for court costs, as well as any costs incurred while deporting him). Don't drag this out and let another foreigner abuse our legal system (Karl Heinz Schrieber), deport him immediately after conviction of murdering his own daughter, with no chance of re-entering Canada for the duration of his life, not even as a temporary visitor.

This bothers me, not the deportation bit, but that you assume he can be deported. More accurately it comes off as you want to deport him because he's a criminal muslim and assume he should be shunted off to some "home country" without checking to see if Canada IS his home country. There are plenty of muslim Canadians, born and raised.

I'd like to point out this also isn't a Muslim thing. My grandfather sent one of my aunts to the hospital when she was a teenager because he caught her sneaking out the window in a miniskirt to go to a party.

Its not proud bit of family trivia, but in my grandfathers time thats how it went. He also turned down my mothers scholarship to a university, because women were meant to get married and have babies, men go to school. This was just a generation ago, and it was very common attitudes in the small town he was from. Enough he never caught in trouble for the miniskirt beating.

As much as people don't like to admit it, this is a human issue. Sure religion may fan the flames, but people still find things to do this about (ie, your kid is gay, your kid is promiscous, your kid does drugs, your kid is a crossdresser, your kid chooses a different faith, your kid is part of a wierd subculture)

Its not that this isn't a problem, its that hand waving and brushing it under the rug as a "muslim thing" rather than taking a good hard look in the mirror is letting down everyone this happens to who has an overbearing abusive parent that ISN'T muslim.

karrie

#93

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

nationalpost.com

Culture not behind girl's death: brother

Muslim father remains in jail
Natalie Alcoba, National Post, with files from Agence France-Presse Published: Thursday, December 13, 2007

Facebook profile photo of Aqsa Parvez.

BRAMPTON - While a devout Muslim family struggled yesterday to make sense of an incident that left a daughter dead and a father and son under arrest, one relative denied that the teenager's death resulted from a clash between Western and Islamic cultures.
Mohammad Parvez is accused of killing his youngest daughter, Aqsa Parvez, after the family allegedly argued over the girl's refusal to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf called a hijab.
But the girl 's brother, Mohammad Shan Parvez, told reporters yesterday that what happened "is not [about] culture."
He said his mother is sick with grief. "She cannot control, because her daughter died, so she's [feeling] bad," said Mr. Parvez, shortly after he saw his 57-year-old father make a brief court appearance in an orange prison jumpsuit.
"It's bad to see him here," Mr. Parvez said.
"My dad is alive, but my sister passed away, so I feel bad for my sister."
Joseph Ciraco, lawyer for the father, said family members "are torn."
"I mean, you've got a sister that's gone and your father and brother are in jail. I don't think it's a big surprise that they're distraught and trying to cope as best they can."
Police have not speculated on a motive behind the killing, but indicated for the first time yesterday that the 16-year-old girl died of a "neck compression."
Police were called to the Parvez home in Mississauga minutes before 8 a.m. on Monday by a man who told 911 operators that he had killed his daughter.
Paramedics found the girl lying motionless on the floor of her bedroom, and rushed her to hospital with a faint pulse. She died several hours later.
Friends have said that Aqsa left her home about a week before the attack because she had been fighting with her father and brothers about her refusal to wear the hijab and other traditional clothing. The teenager would often change into Western clothes when she got to her high school, then put the hijab back on before she went home, friends said. One classmate said the girl had been threatened by her father.
Investigators later charged her father, a taxicab driver from Pakistan, with murder. Her brother, 26-year-old Waqas Parvez, is accused of obstructing police, allegedly at the family home on Monday. He will make a court appearance tomorrow.
His father cast his eyes on the ground as he stood before Justice of the Peace Darlene Florence in a Brampton courtroom yesterday and was remanded into custody.
A diminutive man with thinning grey hair, he clasped the hands of his cuffed wrists, and remained expressionless in the prisoner's box.
He mumbled "yes" when asked if he understood the justice's order not to communicate with Waqas.
Mr. Ciraco said his client will likely face a charge of second-degree murder, although that has not been finalized. As a matter of course, bail hearings for accused murderers are usually remanded, Mr. Ciraco said.
Mr. Parvez will next appear in court on Jan. 29, at which time his defence may decide if it wants to apply for bail.
Meanwhile, Canadian Muslims continued to decry Aqsa's killing, with a mosque in Newmarket sending out a news release that called her death "a tragedy beyond reason."
A spokesman for the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) said he is dubious of opinions that the girl's death resulted from a clash of cultures.
"Teen rebellion is something that exists in all households in Canada and is not unique to any culture or background," CAIR-CAN's Sameer Zuberi said in an interview. "Domestic violence is also not unique to Muslims."
The death of Aqsa "was the result of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to color or creed," echoed Shahina Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Social Services Association.
The two groups and 18 other Muslim groups in an open letter to prosecutors asked for the strongest possible prosecution of her killer, and "zero tolerance for violence of any kind against women or girls."

jimshort19

#94

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

Warrior Won strikes again. First somebody beats a young girl to death and before the incident can be explained away with minimal offense, Warrior One assumes foul play. Granted, she's probably dead, but the witness/confessor was a member of a minority group.

Violence of this kind is rare here, and too common just the same. Protestations are in order, protestations from the beginning of the day until the end, before the evidence and liability are clear and after. But if the one who said it was all over a hat has lied, Warrior Won has been mislead, and that is a shame, but not a bad-hat-murder shame.

lone wolf

#95

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

CTV News reported many of Aqsa's fellow students have the same clothing issue with their parents. She just wanted to fit in. Teen-age rebellion is nothing new. I remember having the same battle with my Dad over long hair, scruffy blue jeans and the guitar I wore on my back. The battle may have been over the burka, but I doubt if it was religion based.

Woof!

Last edited by lone wolf; Dec 13th, 2007 at 07:51 PM..

Amatullaah

#96

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Amatullaah said

Exactly so: and moderate Muslims are not the problem. Unfortunately, many of the Muslims of the world have yet to drag themselves out of the 9th century............a family certainly has the right to hold up a certain standard of behaviour........and an adult woman (including a 16 year old) has the right to reject that standard, and leave the fold, so to speak.

Sorry, can you explain to me your definition of 'moderate' Muslim? Because Islam itself calls for moderation, as proven by many ahadeeth.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once asked a companion: "(Is it true) that you fast all day and stand in prayer all night?" The companion replied that the report was indeed true. The Prophet then said: "Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave (it) at other times. Stand up for prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you, your eyes have a right over you and your wife has a right over you." - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 127

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately. . .Always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course, whereby you will reach your target (of paradise)." - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 470

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise (i.e., no one enters paradise only through his good deeds)." The Prophet's companions asked: "Not even you?" The Prophet replied: "Not even myself, unless God bestows His favor and mercy on me. So be moderate in your religious deeds and do what is within your ability. None of you should wish for death, for if he is a doer of good, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to God." - Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 577

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However, if you're referring to what the Canadian media usually calls 'moderate Muslims' (i.e. those who seek to reform the Qur'aan, Shari'ah, or Islam in general, or those who sacrifice parts of their deen to assimilate into Canadian culture), then those Muslim unfortunately are not proper representations of Islaam. In fact, those who believe that Canadian law is better than Shari'ah law commit the unforgivable sin of shirk, and most Islamic scholars (I only include Sunnis in this) say that such a belief takes a person outside the fold of Islaam.

Also, the Qur'aan was revealed in the 7th century of the Common Era, or 1428 years ago according to the Hijiri calendar. (Just in case you were confused; I cannot tell from your post.) However, the laws of the Qur'aan are their for all time, although there is nothing wrong with Muslims using modern technology (as long as use of these materials does not required an action that is haram). Yet, it seems as if Westerners believe that 'modern' society is now the best society that can be (in reference to past civilizations, cultures, etc.), and yet, human nature from Biblical times still hasn't changed. People kill, rape, use drugs. There are still prostitutes, people who take advantage of one another, and on the flip side, there are those who show compassion, help the poor, feed the hungry, etc. On top of calling all of humanity to tawheed (Islamic monotheism) and giving us the purpose of our life and the tools of how to act accordingly, the Qur'aan address human nature in general, which is something that is timeless (until the Day of Judgement [Yawm al-Qiyamah]). This is why the laws of the Qur'aan are timless (until Yawm al-Qiyamah).

So there is no need for Muslims to 'modernize' themselves if they do not wish to. For Muslims living here in Canada, we are required by Shari'ah to obey Canadian laws as long as a)the leader of Canada allows Salaah, and b)a Canadian law does not contradict basic Shari'ah law. Therefore, we Muslims in Canada are required to pay taxes, not commit murder, not steal, etc. So as long as we obey the law, I don't see why you should bother us, Colpy, or tell use how to live. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is what I see many Canadians defending and referencing to attack Islaam and they perceived view of injustice to Muslim women, allows us Muslims here in Canada to live how we want, as long as we do not break the law, and only requires us to be tolerant of other religions and ways of life. There is nothing (as far as i know) in that charter that requires Muslims in Canada to assimilate (a la United States) into mainstream society, nor for us to like you. And there is nothing that requires non-Muslims in Canada to like Muslims. You just have to put up with us and our deen (way of life/religion) as long as we don't break the law.

Now, according to Islaam, a 16-year old is an adult, and yes, as you've said, she has the intellectual ability to make decision for herself. If she chooses not to practice Islaam, then that's fine, she can live her observant Muslim household. I don't think the father should have stopped her, if that was the case. In the end, they will both answer to Allaah Azza Wa Jal for their actions, and I pray that He (subhanahu wa ta'ala) forgives them both. However, if she apostates from Islaam, then in an Islaamic country, the Shari'ah penalty for that is death. Here in Canada, a non-Islaamic nor Muslim-lead country, there is no Shari'ah and therefore punishment of death. Muslims themselves, whether in an Islaamic or non-Islaamic country, cannot take the law into their own hands, no matter whether it is Secular or Shari'ah law, according the laws of Shari'ah. It is up to the authorities, in either type of country, to enforce the country's laws.

If you would some references for any of the facts I've listed here, or links to information expanding on the subject, please let me know.

Amatullaah

#97

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 13th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

I have many times tried to learn about the various forms of Sharia law, because every sect seems to have their own take, and I always hit the same road blocks:
Because it is based on interpretation of the Quran, only one who can read arabic can claim to understand it.

Because it is based on interpretation of the Hadith, only one who has heard the verbal sayings of Mohammed can claim to understand it.

Shaykh Bilal Philips helps run a University degree program for English-speaking Muslims in Islaam (--), whose curriculum includes several courses on Fiqh (Islaamic Jurisprudence). While it is better for Muslims to learn Arabic, and it is indeed incumbent on them to do so, one can still learn Shari'ah law without being able to read and speak Arabic. However, proficiency in that language is necessary if one wants to read any of the classical works in Islaam, including the Qur'aan and the compilations of Ahadeeth, and also the literary works of scholars such as an-Nawawi, Ibn Hajr, Ibn al-Qayyim, Imam Hanafi, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Maliki, Imam Ibn Hanbal, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, Imam al-Ghazali, etc.

For your second point, there are many ahadeeth which explain the meaning of the Prophet's (salallaahu alayhi wa salaam) words within the actual hadeeth itself, as well as other ahadeeth which explain the meaning of other ahadeeth. There is also the writings of the four Imams, who were the most knowledge in matter of Fiqh, who lived during the time of the third generation of as-Salaaf as-Saaliheen. So they were around when people who had met the Prophet Muhammad (salallaahu alayhi wa salaam) were still alive, if my memory serves me correctly. It is from their writings that most scholars of today get their information from (as well as from other classical scholars, such as Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah).

dumpthemonarchy

#98

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

What do god/religion/ET/UFOs have in common?

There is no physical evidence of any of them. None. Zip. Nada.

Niflmir

#99

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Amatullaah

Shaykh Bilal Philips helps run a University degree program for English-speaking Muslims in Islaam (http://bilalphilips.com/), whose curriculum includes several courses on Fiqh (Islaamic Jurisprudence). While it is better for Muslims to learn Arabic, and it is indeed incumbent on them to do so, one can still learn Shari'ah law without being able to read and speak Arabic. However, proficiency in that language is necessary if one wants to read any of the classical works in Islaam, including the Qur'aan and the compilations of Ahadeeth, and also the literary works of scholars such as an-Nawawi, Ibn Hajr, Ibn al-Qayyim, Imam Hanafi, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Maliki, Imam Ibn Hanbal, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, Imam al-Ghazali, etc.
For your second point, there are many ahadeeth which explain the meaning of the Prophet's (salallaahu alayhi wa salaam) words within the actual hadeeth itself, as well as other ahadeeth which explain the meaning of other ahadeeth. There is also the writings of the four Imams, who were the most knowledge in matter of Fiqh, who lived during the time of the third generation of as-Salaaf as-Saaliheen. So they were around when people who had met the Prophet Muhammad (salallaahu alayhi wa salaam) were still alive, if my memory serves me correctly. It is from their writings that most scholars of today get their information from (as well as from other classical scholars, such as...
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But that is just it, before I can understand the Sharia [sic] (Shariah? I am unsure of spelling) law, I must read the Quran and know the Hadith. Without knowing Arabic, even if I memorized an English translation of the Quran my interpretations would always be prone to the terrible argument, "The Arabic says something that the English doesn't." I personally find that nonsense, because I do not believe that Arabic is in any way more or less precise English, but I will never be able to claim to know Sharia in any sort of debate because of the view that the above argument is valid.

Quote: Originally Posted by Amatullaah

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Now, according to Islaam, a 16-year old is an adult, and yes, as you've said, she has the intellectual ability to make decision for herself. If she chooses not to practice Islaam, then that's fine, she can live her observant Muslim household. I don't think the father should have stopped her, if that was the case. In the end, they will both answer to Allaah Azza Wa Jal for their actions, and I pray that He (subhanahu wa ta'ala) forgives them both. However, if she apostates from Islaam, then in an Islaamic country, the Shari'ah penalty for that is death. Here in Canada, a non-Islaamic nor Muslim-lead country, there is no Shari'ah and therefore punishment of death. Muslims themselves, whether in an Islaamic or non-Islaamic country, cannot take the law into their own hands, no matter whether it is Secular or Shari'ah law, according the laws of Shari'ah. It is up to the authorities, in either type of country, to enforce the country's laws.

If you would some references for any of the facts I've listed here, or links to information expanding on the subject, please let me know.

I would like to see the reference for your statement, "if she apostates from Islaam, then in an Islaamic country, the Shari'ah penalty for that is death." Just to see it with my own eyes, but I will take your word for it now. Would the penalty still be death if a man were to apostate?

In any case, consider this case in particular and the sharia laws you have stated. The daughter does not wish to wear a head adornment, the father takes that as a sign of apostasy. He therefore feels justified in killing her under Sharia law, however Canadian law forbids this. Sharia law states that one must follow the laws of a country unless it is in conflict with Sharia law. Now, Canadian law allows one to apostate freely which is not in strict accordance with Sharia, therefore in this interpretation of Sharia a Canadian Muslim father could feel justified in killing his daughter for assumed apostasy with evidence the lack of commitment to the tenets of the religion. In any case, one could merely take one's daughter to a country which does not forbid this and murder one's daughter in accordance with Sharia.

Also, definitely I agree with Zzarchov on this one. Humans just do stuff like this, whenever we feel justified in our intolerance of personal choices. Violence is a bad way to achieve any end.

gopher

#100

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

As usual, the forum likes to emphasize tragedies caused by Muslims but fails to realize that Christianity has more than its share of incidents:

hate cult death:

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Christian Science deaths:

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''devout'' parents abuse child to death:

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And need i remind you that over one million Iraqis are dead today because Bush claims to have been inspired by God to invade Iraq.

Niflmir

#101

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by gopher

As usual, the forum likes to emphasize tragedies caused by Muslims but fails to realize that Christianity has more than its share of incidents:

hate cult death:

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Christian Science deaths:

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''devout'' parents abuse child to death:

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And need i remind you that over one million Iraqis are dead today because Bush claims to have been inspired by God to invade Iraq.

Zzarchov beat you to the punch on this one. In any case it is not normal to ignore the context of a given tragedy during its discussion unless one wishes to make generalizations or contrasts. My generalization was: "Religion (as opposed to spirituality) engenders violence," the crusades spring to mind. The Buddhists have a bloody history as well, according to a somewhat dubious source... maybe I should go look that up.

gopher

#102

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

For some reason this forum has always been a hot bed of anti Islamic hate. I wonder how many hate filled threads we have had on this topic. If anyone has an idea, please let me know.

jimshort19

#103

Gopher and the Haters

Dec 14th, 2007

I have not observed that this forum has hate threads, but I have only seen this thread and a sample of the so many that there are on Canadian Content. This thread renders a variety of opinion, some of it emotional, that may well represent the nation, not for good or ill, but as it is in fact.

The Muslims are in transition in the West, moreso than in the East. The West popularized steam in the 19th century and the Eastern Muslims have caught on. The West discovered women in the 20th century and the Eastern Muslims have not caught on yet. But they do and they will, as surely as the East follows the West, as surely as the Woman Age followed the Man Age, and is here to stay.

Unforgiven

#104

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by gopher

For some reason this forum has always been a hot bed of anti Islamic hate. I wonder how many hate filled threads we have had on this topic. If anyone has an idea, please let me know.

Them there is jihading words buckaroo!

I think you read alot more into a thread than is really there. Anti-islaamic hate filled threads? Nah, emotional indeed, but I don't think hate filled is the right ticket for this.

lone wolf

#105

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Though hateful posts are rare, thoughtless ones are common enough. That's as much a trait of humanity as sifting between lines and manipulating words to make the statement one seeks. The truth is, we're all a lot closer than we're comfortable in admitting.

Woof!

Last edited by lone wolf; Dec 15th, 2007 at 12:12 PM..

#juan

#106

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

CTV News reported many of Aqsa's fellow students have the same clothing issue with their parents. She just wanted to fit in. Teen-age rebellion is nothing new. I remember having the same battle with my Dad over long hair, scruffy blue jeans and the guitar I wore on my back. The battle may have been over the burka, but I doubt if it was religion based.

Woof!

Certainly this conflict that ended with the daughter being throttled was religion based. It was the father's twisted religious concepts that drove him to strangle his daughter because she wouldn't cover up with the hijab. These same twisted concepts cause a rape victim to receive worse punishment than the men who raped her, or women being stoned to death for imagined slights perceived by husband or family. It is insanity.

lone wolf

#107

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Certainly this conflict that ended with the daughter being throttled was religion based. It was the father's twisted religious concepts that drove him to strangle his daughter because she wouldn't cover up with the hijab. These same twisted concepts cause a rape victim to receive worse punishment than the men who raped her, or women being stoned to death for imagined slights perceived by husband or family. It is insanity.

The girl was 16. How many 16 year-olds have you ever known who want to be their parents? Under other circumstances, the battle could have been one over skirt length or eating cold pizza for breakfast. I think it had more to do with control issues than religion.

Woof!

Last edited by lone wolf; Dec 14th, 2007 at 01:02 PM..

Logic 7

#108

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven

heh heh heh

They guy is charged with murder. That call to 911 should probably come back to haunt him should he enter and not guilty plea.

The thread isn't racist at all. Though I think we all should be ashamed that this happened in Canada where we try to have safe guards against this sort of thing. Clearly mor ework needs doing in that regard.

Evidence to support stupidity? I don't think you quite understand the proper meaning of that word. It's not indicative in it's use here for sure.

I hope your day gets a little better from here on.

The guy is charged with murder or not, doesnt prove at all , the position of this article, I SAY AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE THAT PROVES WHAT THAT ARTICLE TRY TO MAKE US BELIEVE.NOTHING AT ALL.

However Juan and cie came to conclusion withouth even trying to think or even use their brain.

Knowing the credibility of Canadian journalism( remember the 17 terrorist who were supposed to blow up harper?) there is nothing that proves that this father killed his daughter for the reason mentioned in the article.

Sad for those who hate muslim to their teeth, i admit.

Logic 7

#109

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

Certainly this conflict that ended with the daughter being throttled was religion based. It was the father's twisted religious concepts that drove him to strangle his daughter because she wouldn't cover up with the hijab. These same twisted concepts cause a rape victim to receive worse punishment than the men who raped her, or women being stoned to death for imagined slights perceived by husband or family. It is insanity.

Nope, use your brain Juan, nothing in what you claim, seem to be true, get real once and for all.

#juan

#110

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Logic 7

The guy is charged with murder or not, doesnt prove at all , the position of this article, I SAY AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE THAT PROVES WHAT THAT ARTICLE TRY TO MAKE US BELIEVE.NOTHING AT ALL.

That's a big relief. You mean the girl is still alive and well and it was all a big joke. Thank goodness.

However Juan and cie came to conclusion withouth even trying to think or even use their brain.

The original article stated that the man called 911 and said he killed his daughter. The same article said that the father and the daughter had some history of conflict over the wearing of the hijab. The article also stated that the brother tried to misdirect the police and would be charged with obstruction of justice. The article didn't have absolute proof. What article does?

Knowing the credibility of Canadian journalism( remember the 17 terrorist who were supposed to blow up harper?) there is nothing that proves that this father killed his daughter for the reason mentioned in the article.

Sad for those who hate muslim to their teeth, i admit.

I don't hate Muslims. I just hate some of the things they do.

jimshort19

#111

Article Not Guilty

Dec 14th, 2007

"there is nothing that proves that this father killed his daughter for the reason mentioned in the article."

The article is innocent, only the deductive reader should be silenced. Time will tell enough, if not all, and tell by the free press in the Canadian public arena, who did what. Judgement will not be reserved. In the meantime the good lynch mob is ready to throw impotent insults upon the most likely murderer, the confessor, and whatever his means and motives were. My kneejerk reaction is in concert with the mob, but I hold out a hope that this woman-child was not struck down to death in the name of piety because she dared to be free. Surely this would blaspheme Islam, Allah, and whatever other religions and Gods are good. No one has yet suggested that this death is the will of Allah, executed by his martyr girl or her holy hit man father.

Whatever offense is perceived is a real cultural tension here and now and tommorrow. We have to ride this crap out.

gopher

#112

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

``I have not observed that this forum has hate threads, but I have only seen this thread and a sample of the so many that there are on Canadian Content.``

You are relatively new here. Hit the search button for some past hate threads and you will see a great many.

True, we have fewer today than we have seen in the past. And, as usual, people often reply by pointing out that Christians engage in far more hateful behavior but those posts are ignored by the Islamophobes. Note, for example, how I indicated several instances where children died because of Christian parental abuse but how nobody answered my post.

Happens all the time. And it will happen again.

jimshort19

#113

Gopher

Dec 14th, 2007

I do hope that you are not one of them. The residential schools myth is a Mohammedan plot. The caper that the Zlims could tar the broad spectrum of Christian denominations with one brushstroke of buggery and murder was too much for them to resist. What gets me is how those Indians went along with them in court. And I didn't see a Muslim there. Clever bastards!

lone wolf

#114

Re: Girl dead for not wearing burka

Dec 14th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19

I do hope that you are not one of them. The residential schools myth is a Mohammedan plot. The caper that the Zlims could tar the broad spectrum of Christian denominations with one brushstroke of buggery and murder was too much for them to resist. What gets me is how those Indians went along with them in court. And I didn't see a Muslim there. Clever bastards!

Y'know ... Christmas presents look pretty neat when they're wrapped in tissue-thin printed page....

Woof!

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by Sassylassie | Nov 22nd, 2006