September 18th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Something in the 10,000 posts thread reminded me of a little problem my universities associated granting body, Dalhousie University, is having. This summer, a Facebook group surfaced which borders on defamation of the university. The creator alleges that she has been down in the labs where there are medical experiments being performed on animals. Now that is not unusual at all. The thorny issue relates to what she says she saw. Puppies and kittens being mutilated. In the Facebook group she created, she had the wall posting turned off, so there was no way for anyone to post any comments which could invalidate her claims. Dalhousie contacted Facebook, but did not receive any feedback. Days later the group was taken down. Even now if you look for similar groups, they are all over the place.
Any animal experiments require a proposal be made to the appropriate committee, not sure what Dal calls their's. The point is, that if any of these allegations were true, not only would Dalhousie immediately stop what was happening, but the grant issuing bodies which make the research possible, and the associations involved would act very quickly to stop the abuse. The girl who created the group isn't a Dal student, and on her group she was trying to convince people not to attend Dalhousie. If she even saw what was going on down there, more than likely she over-reacted and embellished what it was that she saw.
Here's an article giving some more detail:
http://www.insidehighereducation.com.../08/29/puppies
Something in the 10,000 posts thread reminded me of a little problem my universities associated granting body, Dalhousie University, is having. This summer, a Facebook group surfaced which borders on defamation of the university. The creator alleges that she has been down in the labs where there are medical experiments being performed on animals. Now that is not unusual at all. The thorny issue relates to what she says she saw. Puppies and kittens being mutilated. In the Facebook group she created, she had the wall posting turned off, so there was no way for anyone to post any comments which could invalidate her claims. Dalhousie contacted Facebook, but did not receive any feedback. Days later the group was taken down. Even now if you look for similar groups, they are all over the place.
Any animal experiments require a proposal be made to the appropriate committee, not sure what Dal calls their's. The point is, that if any of these allegations were true, not only would Dalhousie immediately stop what was happening, but the grant issuing bodies which make the research possible, and the associations involved would act very quickly to stop the abuse. The girl who created the group isn't a Dal student, and on her group she was trying to convince people not to attend Dalhousie. If she even saw what was going on down there, more than likely she over-reacted and embellished what it was that she saw.
Here's an article giving some more detail:
http://www.insidehighereducation.com.../08/29/puppies
September 18th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Ahh yes, I forgot. If anyone is on facebook, here is the group....posting is allowed again it seems
http://nsacns.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3481335439
Very frustrating....
Ahh yes, I forgot. If anyone is on facebook, here is the group....posting is allowed again it seems
http://nsacns.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3481335439
Very frustrating....
Council Member
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Location: Alberta, Canada
September 18th, 2007, 01:33 PM
ever see someone get banned from a facebook group? Betcha it happens even quicker than on an internet forum once the word "hypocrite" is mentioned.
Quoting Tonington
Ahh yes, I forgot. If anyone is on facebook, here is the group....posting is allowed again it seems
http://nsacns.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3481335439
Very frustrating....
http://nsacns.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3481335439
Very frustrating....
ever see someone get banned from a facebook group? Betcha it happens even quicker than on an internet forum once the word "hypocrite" is mentioned.
Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Twinksland
Location: Twinksland
September 18th, 2007, 01:49 PM
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Animals in cages being experimented on is harsh. She obviously feels strongly about it. What in this university's corriquilem requires experiments on live animals? and what 'laws" have they against animal abuse?
The point is, that if any of these allegations were true, not only would Dalhousie immediately stop what was happening, but the grant issuing bodies which make the research possible, and the associations involved would act very quickly to stop the abuse. The girl who created the group isn't a Dal student, and on her group she was trying to convince people not to attend Dalhousie. If she even saw what was going on down there, more than likely she over-reacted and embellished what it was that she saw
September 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Well, for starters the university doesn't even perform experiments on dogs anymore. They did do experiments on cats, but they didn't sew the eyes like the link she posts from a university in Wales did. They put a helmet on the kitten which covers one eye. It was studies on how to correct vision problems in kids before the brain develops too far. Most studies use your run of the mill lab rat.
They aren't actually testing the animals per se, they are testing new procedures for efficacy. Obviously everyone would prefer if we didn't use animals for research. Medical research still has to use animals at various stages of research. Any option where tests need to be done on animals or humans will meet criticism. I'm sure if we used criminals for research there would be an uproar.
You can search through Dal's website. The medical researchers will probably have listed what they are researching, and if they are using animals. Just to add to what I wrote earlier, there are external people on the committee which researchers need approval from before using animals, I would be surprised if there weren't SPCA or some other type of organization involved.
http://research.medicine.dal.ca/
Well, for starters the university doesn't even perform experiments on dogs anymore. They did do experiments on cats, but they didn't sew the eyes like the link she posts from a university in Wales did. They put a helmet on the kitten which covers one eye. It was studies on how to correct vision problems in kids before the brain develops too far. Most studies use your run of the mill lab rat.
They aren't actually testing the animals per se, they are testing new procedures for efficacy. Obviously everyone would prefer if we didn't use animals for research. Medical research still has to use animals at various stages of research. Any option where tests need to be done on animals or humans will meet criticism. I'm sure if we used criminals for research there would be an uproar.
You can search through Dal's website. The medical researchers will probably have listed what they are researching, and if they are using animals. Just to add to what I wrote earlier, there are external people on the committee which researchers need approval from before using animals, I would be surprised if there weren't SPCA or some other type of organization involved.
http://research.medicine.dal.ca/
Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Twinksland
Location: Twinksland
September 18th, 2007, 03:03 PM
I'd like to nominate this guy for any experiments that might need to be done...seems he's willing to do just about anything..hopefully the university doesn't require a fully functioning brain..
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
I'd like to nominate this guy for any experiments that might need to be done...seems he's willing to do just about anything..hopefully the university doesn't require a fully functioning brain..
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
September 18th, 2007, 03:15 PM
"that was kinda bad" said the moron in the video. Yep. Kinda. ( In case you don't have high speed, he had his girlfreind run over his arm with a Ford Escort. )
Quoting Twila
I'd like to nominate this guy for any experiments that might need to be done...seems he's willing to do just about anything..hopefully the university doesn't require a fully functioning brain..
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
"that was kinda bad" said the moron in the video. Yep. Kinda. ( In case you don't have high speed, he had his girlfreind run over his arm with a Ford Escort. )
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September 19th, 2007, 05:51 PM
I find these little "emos" irritating and annoying.
Well, I admit..I am a guy who would feel really about nothing when a dog or a chicken is abused. Its just doesn't TOUCH me unless its human beings themselves..
I guess I am cruel guy;;;
On the other hand, the group's name is so TOucHy, its almost like a propaganda.
I find these little "emos" irritating and annoying.
Well, I admit..I am a guy who would feel really about nothing when a dog or a chicken is abused. Its just doesn't TOUCH me unless its human beings themselves..
I guess I am cruel guy;;;
On the other hand, the group's name is so TOucHy, its almost like a propaganda.
Dark Overlord
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September 19th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Quoting Twila
What...a....f**king...moron!
I'd like to nominate this guy for any experiments that might need to be done...seems he's willing to do just about anything..hopefully the university doesn't require a fully functioning brain..
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=25269
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October 28th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Dalhousie University has and still does sew kittens eyes shut and they still continue to drill into their skulls, and cut their spinal cords !!!!!
This needs to be stopped!!! Why won't anyone do anything about it? Do we not care enough? Dalhousie will not stop because they make too much money from it.
http://www.anatomy.dal.ca/Rafuse/Vic2001.pdf
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...3.2001.0835e.x
http://hubel.med.harvard.edu/b57.htm
Dalhousie sucks.
Dalhousie University has and still does sew kittens eyes shut and they still continue to drill into their skulls, and cut their spinal cords !!!!!
This needs to be stopped!!! Why won't anyone do anything about it? Do we not care enough? Dalhousie will not stop because they make too much money from it.
http://www.anatomy.dal.ca/Rafuse/Vic2001.pdf
(14 adult cats and three kittens were used - spinal cords cut)
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...3.2001.0835e.x
http://hubel.med.harvard.edu/b57.htm
Dalhousie sucks.
October 28th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Quoting amanda87
I'd like to point out that no institution gets paid to hurt animals just for the sake of injuring animals. The only reason they would be paid for research like this, is if the medical community still needs information on the results, in order to further assist patient care. The fact that Dalhousie feels that animal experimentation is a justifiable means to the end of aiding humanity, is not solely about money.
Dalhousie will not stop because they make too much money from it.
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October 28th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Of course Dalhousie is in it for the money. Why else would you rip apart a kitten's spinal cord or drill into it's brain like Dalhousie does?
It is all about money. Don't be so naive.
If there were no money or jobs involved then nobody would do it. If they really were in it for humanity they would use themselves or human cadavers. The majority of these "researchers" at Dal are all waiting to discover something so they can make $$$$ millions $$$$.
If they were really that nobel there are other ways of doing research without using or harming animals. Dalhousie just use's the easy way.
Oh and Dalhousie still uses dogs, they just officially say it has been 6 years since they think they have used dogs. How much has changed since Dalhousie went on every TV channel and said it was 13 years since they have used dogs.
I am so glad that someone is exposing Dalhousie for the shame school it is.
Of course Dalhousie is in it for the money. Why else would you rip apart a kitten's spinal cord or drill into it's brain like Dalhousie does?
It is all about money. Don't be so naive.
If there were no money or jobs involved then nobody would do it. If they really were in it for humanity they would use themselves or human cadavers. The majority of these "researchers" at Dal are all waiting to discover something so they can make $$$$ millions $$$$.
If they were really that nobel there are other ways of doing research without using or harming animals. Dalhousie just use's the easy way.
Oh and Dalhousie still uses dogs, they just officially say it has been 6 years since they think they have used dogs. How much has changed since Dalhousie went on every TV channel and said it was 13 years since they have used dogs.
I am so glad that someone is exposing Dalhousie for the shame school it is.
October 28th, 2007, 05:08 PM
How would you like to go about finding ways to treat brain injuries and birth defects? Human experimentation? Yes, that's much better... much more rational and logical.
Quoting amanda87
And why are there money and jobs there? This is what I'm saying. There is money to be made because it is needed research. No one's saying "Hey, I'll pay you $500 to mutilate a kitten today, just because I feel like it." They're paying for the research because there's a need for it. The fact that Dalhousie feels justified in that is not solely about money, it's about finding cures.
Of course Dalhousie is in it for the money. Why else would you rip apart a kitten's spinal cord or drill into it's brain like Dalhousie does?
It is all about money. Don't be so naive.
If there were no money or jobs involved then nobody would do it.
It is all about money. Don't be so naive.
If there were no money or jobs involved then nobody would do it.
How would you like to go about finding ways to treat brain injuries and birth defects? Human experimentation? Yes, that's much better... much more rational and logical.
