Steven Hawking's Hero
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September 18th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Karrie
Part of the growth process while still under the love and care of parents is learning how to accept failure as well as success.
Competition thrives among children - it is their way of testing what they are best at, what they dislike, and in so doing learn many things about themselves - humbling and not always pleasant.
I think life's lessons can be handled best when there is a safe home to return to and shed the tears.
If kids don't participate in some personal tests, they lose the opportunity of knowing how to handle
tough things along with the good stuff.
Still personally I think parading on a runway isn't a terribly good life lesson. It is a sophisticated competitive kind of situation that isn't really pleasure oriented... I think far above what a 12 year old could dissect and understand.
Karrie
Part of the growth process while still under the love and care of parents is learning how to accept failure as well as success.
Competition thrives among children - it is their way of testing what they are best at, what they dislike, and in so doing learn many things about themselves - humbling and not always pleasant.
I think life's lessons can be handled best when there is a safe home to return to and shed the tears.
If kids don't participate in some personal tests, they lose the opportunity of knowing how to handle
tough things along with the good stuff.
Still personally I think parading on a runway isn't a terribly good life lesson. It is a sophisticated competitive kind of situation that isn't really pleasure oriented... I think far above what a 12 year old could dissect and understand.
September 18th, 2007, 06:21 PM
Bah. It all sucks Curio. No matter what you get your kids into, there's some horrible aspect that's going to threaten to tear them apart. If your kid loves hockey or soccer or football, then you need to deal with the jerky parents of their team mates and the pressure to perform faster and stronger. steroids run rampant. And let's not even get into the number of kids who've been abused by their coaches.
If they want to get into dance, gymnastics, cheerleading, then the pressure to look a specific way, and/or to sexualize their routines, is phenomenal.
So far the only thing I'd even consider putting my kids in as far as sports go, is swimming or track, where their success is more individual, and their failures are their own. Where performing well is dependent on time, not on appearances.
Of course, my own views and anxieties about it will have to take a back seat to what my kids want. There needs to be, by necessity, a balance between what I fear, and what they want.
Bah. It all sucks Curio. No matter what you get your kids into, there's some horrible aspect that's going to threaten to tear them apart. If your kid loves hockey or soccer or football, then you need to deal with the jerky parents of their team mates and the pressure to perform faster and stronger. steroids run rampant. And let's not even get into the number of kids who've been abused by their coaches.
If they want to get into dance, gymnastics, cheerleading, then the pressure to look a specific way, and/or to sexualize their routines, is phenomenal.
So far the only thing I'd even consider putting my kids in as far as sports go, is swimming or track, where their success is more individual, and their failures are their own. Where performing well is dependent on time, not on appearances.
Of course, my own views and anxieties about it will have to take a back seat to what my kids want. There needs to be, by necessity, a balance between what I fear, and what they want.
Quoting Curiosity
Karrie
Part of the growth process while still under the love and care of parents is learning how to accept failure as well as success.
Competition thrives among children - it is their way of testing what they are best at, what they dislike, and in so doing learn many things about themselves - humbling and not always pleasant.
I think life's lessons can be handled best when there is a safe home to return to and shed the tears.
If kids don't participate in some personal tests, they lose the opportunity of knowing how to handle
tough things along with the good stuff.
Still personally I think parading on a runway isn't a terribly good life lesson. It is a sophisticated competitive kind of situation that isn't really pleasure oriented... I think far above what a 12 year old could dissect and understand.
Part of the growth process while still under the love and care of parents is learning how to accept failure as well as success.
Competition thrives among children - it is their way of testing what they are best at, what they dislike, and in so doing learn many things about themselves - humbling and not always pleasant.
I think life's lessons can be handled best when there is a safe home to return to and shed the tears.
If kids don't participate in some personal tests, they lose the opportunity of knowing how to handle
tough things along with the good stuff.
Still personally I think parading on a runway isn't a terribly good life lesson. It is a sophisticated competitive kind of situation that isn't really pleasure oriented... I think far above what a 12 year old could dissect and understand.
A modern nomad
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Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
September 19th, 2007, 07:37 AM
Three cheers for Karrie and recognizing her children's right to self determination. That is always my biggest fear in things like this, how much does the child really want to be doing X?
There was a report released by Statistics Canada a little while back that showed that the average school kid put in 59 hours a week for school work, which was well above the national average for adult employment.
If this is a legitimate choice on her part, then good for her; I hope it will be a cherished part of her childhood. If it was something inflicted upon her by vicarious parents, then I fear for her, but I can make no sweeping generalizations from my easy-chair. As for the dangers of the modeling world, we don't protect children from the dangers of crossing the street by forbidding it, we put the best safeguards in place that we have and have them cross in an organized fashion.
Three cheers for Karrie and recognizing her children's right to self determination. That is always my biggest fear in things like this, how much does the child really want to be doing X?
There was a report released by Statistics Canada a little while back that showed that the average school kid put in 59 hours a week for school work, which was well above the national average for adult employment.
If this is a legitimate choice on her part, then good for her; I hope it will be a cherished part of her childhood. If it was something inflicted upon her by vicarious parents, then I fear for her, but I can make no sweeping generalizations from my easy-chair. As for the dangers of the modeling world, we don't protect children from the dangers of crossing the street by forbidding it, we put the best safeguards in place that we have and have them cross in an organized fashion.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
September 19th, 2007, 10:15 AM
To quote Budy Guy:
"We tell your kids sex is bad for them and then we thow it in their face"
Quoting Curiosity
I think 16 makes a lot more since sense the age of Canada of consent in Canada is 16. How much sense does it make for the fashion industry putting 12 year old girls up on the runway strutting their stuff and acting like adults? This girls is not selling kids cloths. I think the whole runway format is the wrong way for the fashion industry to promote kids clothing. I just don't see how we as a society can on one hand glorify something and at the same time make it illegal. What is wrong with us and how did we develop such a hypocritical value system. Wolf
A few parents would only see the fantasy and project their own dreams upon their child.
I think another group would postpone the fantasy for a few years even if they liked the idea.
I feel however the majority would insist the child wait until she was able to handle the sexual connotations of the work - and there are many - and the age would vary with each child but
sixteen and above for my own personal taste.
Still: Karrie is a responsible woman who has accomplished much in her life with a serious go get
attitude - and as she describes her daughter - that little person seems adult beyond her years - so
Karrie may be feeling that her own child could make a sensible decision and carry it through with
success.... dunno....guessing...
A few parents would only see the fantasy and project their own dreams upon their child.
I think another group would postpone the fantasy for a few years even if they liked the idea.
I feel however the majority would insist the child wait until she was able to handle the sexual connotations of the work - and there are many - and the age would vary with each child but
sixteen and above for my own personal taste.
Still: Karrie is a responsible woman who has accomplished much in her life with a serious go get
attitude - and as she describes her daughter - that little person seems adult beyond her years - so
Karrie may be feeling that her own child could make a sensible decision and carry it through with
success.... dunno....guessing...
To quote Budy Guy:
"We tell your kids sex is bad for them and then we thow it in their face"
Super Genius
Posts: 1,352
Location: Calgary
Location: Calgary
September 19th, 2007, 10:24 AM
What the fashion industry tells is we should desire someone that who is angry, has an eating disorder, barely has the muscle mas need to function, has their head stuck up their a$$, is immature, has an attitude problem, is a pampered prissy b!tch and so young they are illegal. Now I know a lot of models are great people just doing their job but their job sends completely the worng message.
Quoting missile
Personally I hate the fashion industry. The send completely the wrong message. The need for the fashion industry to always present a younger, skinnier, b!tchier look in my opinion has gotten very sick, twisted and perverted. To me what is beautiful is someone healthy, loving thoughtfully and responsible.
As most of the models seen are built like under developed 12 year old girls anyway, all this is doing is putting those old hags out of work
What the fashion industry tells is we should desire someone that who is angry, has an eating disorder, barely has the muscle mas need to function, has their head stuck up their a$$, is immature, has an attitude problem, is a pampered prissy b!tch and so young they are illegal. Now I know a lot of models are great people just doing their job but their job sends completely the worng message.
Steven Hawking's Hero
Posts: 6,445
September 19th, 2007, 10:27 AM
S243A
Agree totally - the message is wrong - beauty has become bizarre - rather than loving and pleasurable.
Can you imagine the following the beauty industry would have if they promoted health, proper living habits, eating sensibly, and putting weight in reasonable places instead of the near death scenario they paint the 'uber model' figure.
No wonder the tranquilizer and anti-depressant industry is flourishing - people are trying to reach the impossible - and strangely enough to replicate each other.
S243A
Agree totally - the message is wrong - beauty has become bizarre - rather than loving and pleasurable.
Can you imagine the following the beauty industry would have if they promoted health, proper living habits, eating sensibly, and putting weight in reasonable places instead of the near death scenario they paint the 'uber model' figure.
No wonder the tranquilizer and anti-depressant industry is flourishing - people are trying to reach the impossible - and strangely enough to replicate each other.
