More dirty tricks


Cobalt_Kid
#1
Looks like provocateurs were used by the the Quebec police to stir up troubles between the demonstrators and authorities at the SPP summit. Considering the nature of the summit it's probable the PMO was involved, Harper is a friggin Nazi.

news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070...t_provocateurs (external - login to view)

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As protesters surrounded the men and tried to snatch off their masks, one of the three spoke to an SQ officer. The trio got through the police line, were forced to the ground and handcuffed.
Photos of the men lying on the ground show the three were wearing combat boots with identical markings to the ones worn by an SQ officer kneeling beside them.
Video also shows the three eventually being led quietly away to police vans. By contrast, Coles said four legitimate protesters - whom police say were the only people arrested and charged at the summit - were "roughed up pretty good and dragged away."

Last edited by Cobalt_Kid; Aug 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 PM..
 
Cobalt_Kid
#2
IMO this outdoes Chretien at APEC, I don't think Harper ever intended to clean up politics in Canada the way he claimed.

If anything Harper is doing the best he can to out-sleaze the Liberals, he's even returned to the practice of throwing $billions at Quebec to buy political support, the same practice he so derided in the Liberals.

Welcome to "Canadas New Police State"
 
Colpy
#3
This is a serious accusation, and requires a little more backing than your suspicions..........thank you very much!


Quote:

As protesters surrounded the men and tried to snatch off their masks, one of the three spoke to an SQ officer. The trio got through the police line, were forced to the ground and handcuffed.
Photos of the men lying on the ground show the three were wearing combat boots with identical markings to the ones worn by an SQ officer kneeling beside them.

That hardly makes the case.......although it is enough to raise suspicion..........

Quote:

Liberal justice critic Marlene Jennings said the evidence is "quite incriminating" and called on the two police forces to "clear this up." She said it's one thing for officers to pose as protesters in a bid to keep an eye on potential trouble-makers, "but to be instigators is completely unacceptable."

Jennings suggested protest organizers may want to file a complaint with the two forces. Coles said his union has not done so yet but is seeking legal advice.
New Democrat MP Libby Davies, who participated in the summit demonstrations, said the video evidence raises "hugely serious questions" about the role of the police at contentious international meetings.
"It seems like they create this environment, a show of force, that sets it up for a confrontation," she said. "I think we need to know who authorized this, how high up does this go?"

This is just silly.....how about some evidence something was amiss before the idiots of the NDP start demanding to know "how high this goes"?
Last edited by Colpy; Aug 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 PM..
 
Niflmir
#4
Don't forget this grand document (external - login to view) about how to turn a political demonstration against the demonstrators. I really would like to know what is redacted. Of course, if someone as average as me can think of using provocateurs, surely the government does as well, if not actually implementing them.
 
Colpy
#5
Certainly "dirty tricks" have been part of the police arsenal in times past.......and advocating violence as an undercover officer is simply not acceptable.

But it is a bit of a reach to assume, first of all, that these guys were police officers. I have just "someone's" say that they were wearing boots identical to those of the SQ. If so, it is suspicious.......but don't a lot of the young protestors wear combat boots?

Secondly, it is a bit of a reach to suggest these guys were trying to start up a violent confrontation. Evidence, please.

Thirdly, if both A and B are true, it is a LONG reach to assume the Federal government had any influence over police procedures of a provincial force, ESPECIALLY the QUEBEC police force.

That's my take on it.
 
Niflmir
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Certainly "dirty tricks" have been part of the police arsenal in times past.......and advocating violence as an undercover officer is simply not acceptable.

But it is a bit of a reach to assume, first of all, that these guys were police officers. I have just "someone's" say that they were wearing boots identical to those of the SQ. If so, it is suspicious.......but don't a lot of the young protestors wear combat boots?

Secondly, it is a bit of a reach to suggest these guys were trying to start up a violent confrontation. Evidence, please.

Thirdly, if both A and B are true, it is a LONG reach to assume the Federal government had any influence over police procedures of a provincial force, ESPECIALLY the QUEBEC police force.

That's my take on it.

I agree with you. Shaky evidence at best. I expect governments to do this sort because it just seems like a good way to manipulate public opinion, but this is not something I would call proof.
Last edited by Niflmir; Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:02 PM..Reason: Changed from passive voice to active voice
 
BitWhys
#7
Awfully soft line those guys pushed themselves through.
 
Unforgiven
#8
Usually the truth of the matter is somewhere in the middle of what both sides have to say. That in and of itself should be reason enough to peel the lid off, can of worms or no, and make sure that there is no chance of this being the case and should anyone in a position of authority or influence get the idea that it is acceptable, and swift and sever penalty in waiting at the end of that investigation. Along with dismissal and prohibition from holding public office or a government position again.
 
Cobalt_Kid
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

This is a serious accusation, and requires a little more backing than your suspicions..........thank you very much!

These three were threatening to attack the police line and when accused of being provocateurs by demonstrators asked the Surete to and were allowed through their lines. They weren't roughed up which is pretty well standard practice and were wearing indentical footwear. The three have also seemingly disappeared, no charges laid, and no reports from them to the media. You go ahead and ignore the implications, from what I've seen of Harpers behaviour this is totally in character with him.
Remember those police investigations in Quebec and Ontario during the last election that made the Liberals look so bad and turned out to be nothing? Politicians aren't above using the police for their ends in this country.

Quote:

Awfully soft line those guys pushed themselves through.

Exactly, these were the guys that came equipped for war and the cops treated them with kid gloves? Something stinks here.
 
BitWhys
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_KidView Post

...Exactly, these were the guys that came equipped for war and the cops treated them with kid gloves? Something stinks here.

The million dollar question is if the cops put them in the car with their masks still on. Can't tell from the vid.
 
Locutus
#11
Man, Godwin's Law was already invoked by the OP.
 
Cobalt_Kid
#12
Harper is all about power, so was Hitler, why not make an easy comparison.

The Liberals were greedy and that's not good, but Harper wants to remake the country into his idea of what's right and that's just insane. Just like Hitler.
Last edited by Cobalt_Kid; Aug 23rd, 2007 at 04:26 PM..
 
BitWhys
#13
If they were so easy to handcuff why are they still wearing their backpacks on their way to the car?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

If they were so easy to handcuff why are they still wearing their backpacks on their way to the car?

If you had handcuffs on, how would you remove a backpack?
 
shadowshiv
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_KidView Post

Harper is all about power, so was Hitler, why not make an easy comparison.

The Liberals were greedy and that's not good, but Harper wants to remake the country into his idea of what's right and that's just insane. Just like Hitler.

Come on. Harper and Hitler? That's a tad much.
 
BitWhys
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

If you had handcuffs on, how would you remove a backpack?

seems odd to me the cops wouldn't have taken them. they were cuffed from behind. seems risky.
 
BitWhys
#17
on the bright side

anybody and everybody who DID get picked up during the demonstrations doesn't have to worry about their names showing up in a press release.
 
BitWhys
#18
I get a kick out of how poorly the big guy runs that bluster at the Union rep. Guy's been watching too many Dian Fossey clips. Schtoop couldn't draw a punch with a pencil.
 
BitWhys
#19
busted
 
lone wolf
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

If you had handcuffs on, how would you remove a backpack?

Do you really think a cop is going to transport someone with something strapped to any part of his body that could conceal any sort of mayhem in his cruiser?

Wolf
 
Unforgiven
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

busted

Rock what rock? Oh that rock!
 
TenPenny
#22
Initially, I was skeptical, but now that the SQ has admitted they were officers, I'm just amazed at how stupid they are.

Thus proving that the 9-11 conspiracy, for example, could not possibly be true, because the people running these black ops are so stupid they couldn't even infiltrate a bunch of low life protesters. The SQ must be pretty bloody stupid if they can't even manage this. I'm pretty sure the RCMP officers in the crowd weren't busted. But then again, they might have been the ones to out the SQ guys. Hmmm. The plot thickens.
 
BitWhys
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Rock what rock? Oh that rock!

His wife told him to pick one up on the way home.
 
lone wolf
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Initially, I was skeptical, but now that the SQ has admitted they were officers, I'm just amazed at how stupid they are.

Thus proving that the 9-11 conspiracy, for example, could not possibly be true, because the people running these black ops are so stupid they couldn't even infiltrate a bunch of low life protesters. The SQ must be pretty bloody stupid if they can't even manage this. I'm pretty sure the RCMP officers in the crowd weren't busted. But then again, they might have been the ones to out the SQ guys. Hmmm. The plot thickens.

Big difference between those who were involved in 9-11 and Quebec Cops.

Wolf
 
Cobalt_Kid
#25
So here's the scenario, I'm a hardcore anarchist going to a demonstration with the intent to cause violence. I'm concealing my face to avoid the legal consequences of my actions and don't care about the other peaceful demonstrators who I probably consider to be sheep anyway. And when I get to the demonstration site and begin to confront the police and am then confronted by demonstrators who want to reveal my face what do I do? My life isn't in danger, there's probably more cops than protestors nearby. If I was an authentic demonstrator I'd simply walk away if it didn't look like I'd be able to start a large scale riot(which was probably the real intent, it would have diverted public attention away from a controversial subject) and protect my anonymity.

What happened is these "demonstrators" by their own violition put themselves into police custody, where if they were authentic would be photographed, fingerprinted and entered into a variety of databases. Something that has much greater consequences in this day than it did even a few years ago. It could limit where they can travel and even wind them up in a security black hole if they were unlucky. Cole is right, these "demonstrators" weren't concealing their identity from the police, they were concealing it from the protestors. They willing gave their identity to the police which makes it likely the cops already knew who they were.

The supreme court has already ruled that Canadians have the right to peacefully demonstrate, if this can be traced back to the PMO there's more than enough grounds for a Charter violation case here. At the very least the opposition would have grounds for a non-confidence vote.
 
Cobalt_Kid
#26
I guess this is what "Canadas New Government" is all about, not only are all the important decisions going to be made behind closed doors without any real imput from even conservative cabinet ministers, but public demonstration is going to be subverted. Not only does Harper want to decide how we live, he's going to do his best to stifle any self-expression.

The PMO is in even more control of this country now than under the Liberals, another and the most important election promise broken.
 
santer
#27
the whole world is black

all over the world...
 
Cobalt_Kid
#28
Sky is still blue here.
 
MikeyDB
#29
Oh Gee...just imagine how suprised folk will be when they learn that police acted to foment disturbance... That's impossible in such a "just" society right!?

With all respect due Colpy, the buck stops at the top. It was Liberal corruption that Canadians voted against at the last election and while fraud and lies are unmistakably part of the arsenal of the Liberal political structure in this nation, what would make you believe that a man (Stephen Harper) who'd permit America to steal a billion dollars from Canadians would have any qualms tacitly supporting manipulation of the scenario at Montebello?

I keep telling Canadians that their political structure is corrupt and NO politician of any political party deserves either respect or belief in what they say....

Just like global warming, infectious diseases and sub-prime mortgages and "easy-credit", Canadians won't believe their political and economic system is rife with lies and corruption until the walls start crumbling around them....or bridges start collapsing or people die from tainted water or soldiers are sent home from Afghanistan in body bags ...in the name of supporting the American agenda.

Baaa Baaa Baaa
 
santer
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_KidView Post

Sky is still blue here.


haha.....yeah...your words is true,we should keep hope with the world...
 

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