What gives with someone like Michael Vick?

[Kreskin]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/24/vick.falcons/index.html

Why would he risk throwing away millions in endorsement money, possibly a football career, prison time and fines to be involved in a dogfighting sport? If he can't win a Super Bowl is he trying to win a Darwin Award? It's hard to believe people in such good situations will risk throwing it all away for stupidity.

 

[shadowshiv]

Just because he is rich and can throw a football does not mean that he can't be as stupid as the "regular" folk.;-)

I find it hard to believe that anyone could "not know" that was going on, especially with the noise that would bring. If he is found guilty, throw the book at him.

Of course, look at what happened to Ray Lewis. Back to playing football after all he did.8O

 

[#juan]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/24/vick.falcons/index.html

Why would he risk throwing away millions in endorsement money, possibly a football career, prison time and fines to be involved in a dogfighting sport? If he can't win a Super Bowl is he trying to win a Darwin Award? It's hard to believe people in such good situations will risk throwing it all away for stupidity.

What is it, anything for a bigger thrill? When I was in Winnipeg in 1974 there was a dog-fighting group rounded up by the police that involved a number of prominent people. I thought the worst thing was the dog-napping of pets to use as training fodder for the fighting dogs. The thought of someone's Cocker Spaniel being ripped apart by a Pit Bull or a Mastiff sickens me.

This football player will deserve everything he gets. .I.hope it's the maximum.

 

[shadowshiv]

What is it, anything for a bigger thrill? When I was in Winnipeg in 1974 there was a dog-fighting group rounded up by the police that involved a number of prominent people. I thought the worst thing was the dog-napping of pets to use as training fodder for the fighting dogs. The thought of someone's Cocker Spaniel being ripped apart by a Pit Bull or a Mastiff sickens me.

This football player will deserve everything he gets. .I.hope it's the maximum.

I think it is all about the "thrill". People with money seem to think that they can do anything, and have done everything. Therefore, they look for new ways to get the blood pumping. Cases like this are far more common than we would like to think.:-(

 

[tracy]

It all sickens me. I don't know what's wrong with a man who could enjoy the suffering of those animals.

 

[Kreskin]

It is sick. I can't imagine someone living desparation doing this, let alone a prominent wealthy person.

 

[tamarin]

The lad's a scumbag, pure and simple. And has he blown it. Dogfighting is the entertainment of the cruel and backward. No wonder it's such a big draw in Afghanistan.

 

[Unforgiven]

This guy needs someone to straighten him out but I think that probably at this point in his life, he isn't willing to listen and change. That he participated in killing 8 dogs, is an indication that he is getting pretty messed up. I know that harming and killing a defenceless animal speaks to some mental health issues that can lead to extreme violence towards people.

If he has kids I should hope that someone is watching out for them.

 

[Toro]

Vick is a moron.

And he's over-rated.

 

[daisygirl]

The guy's an a$$ and doesn't deserve any sympathy. It makes me sick to even think about it. He should be put in a ring with some of those dogs and let them have their way with him. Maybe then he'd understand. :angryfire:

 

[Nuggler]

I Am Reading This Post

Much rather watch dwarf tossing or nude (ladies) mud rasslin.........y'uk y'ukirate:

Suggestion as to what to do with his nibs:violent2:


Goddam cruel.

:angryfire:

 

[MikeyDB]

Would anyone consider bull-fighting any different?

Is the appetite for bloodsports any different than cinematic celebrations of horror and gratuitous violence? "Freddy", "Jason", Chucky", "Texas Chain Saw Masacre", video games that feature violence?

Do people attend car races because they admire the skill and tenacity of the driver or because it might provide the individual the opportunity to demonstrate how horrified they are at death and destruction?

Not all predators eat what they kill. Is the "excitement" approaching the edge of oblivion vicariously through dogs, cocks, bulls, Nascar drivers and bungie jumpers, extreme sports etc.?

If a very great many people didn't like porn, would Larry Flint or Hugh Hefner be famous and rich?

Who's to say what moral relativity is less or more acceptable than some other moral relativity?

 

[Nuggler]

Would anyone consider bull-fighting any different?

Is the appetite for bloodsports any different than cinematic celebrations of horror and gratuitous violence? "Freddy", "Jason", Chucky", "Texas Chain Saw Masacre", video games that feature violence?

Do people attend car races because they admire the skill and tenacity of the driver or because it might provide the individual the opportunity to demonstrate how horrified they are at death and destruction?

Not all predators eat what they kill. Is the "excitement" approaching the edge of oblivion vicariously through dogs, cocks, bulls, Nascar drivers and bungie jumpers, extreme sports etc.?

If a very great many people didn't like porn, would Larry Flint or Hugh Hefner be famous and rich?

Who's to say what moral relativity is less or more acceptable than some other moral relativity?

Yah, but Mikey; damn it, we like doggies, ok?

You may do as you wish with your cock and bull, but leave our doggies alone.

Poor little pit bulls:roll:

Do they still have NASCAR? Used to watch it years ago screaming: "PAINT ER RED!!! PUT ER INTA THE STANDS YA WIMP!!!"" And, sometimes they did.

And don't be knockin uncle Hugh and Larry, ok They provide an "outlet" for our more masterful baiting tendencies. Don't tell us you never looked at one of them thar mags eh!!

I think some of our more sicko criminals would make good gladiatorial candidates. To the death only though. No cringing out. Good entertainment for the masses. The winning gladiator would of course, be executed.........................SURPRISE!!!!8O

Oh, I could go on and on.........and, probably will, at some other time, loquacious, voluble twit that I are.

Later:canada:

 

[MikeyDB]

G'day N'ugg

Perhaps there's no "ultimate" no "final and complete" anwer to human appetites......

Maybe morals that are warped to permit us to revel in bloodsport are the morals that allow us to recover from heart wrenching loss....

And yes N'ugg I was born with hormones and appetites too.

 

[Unforgiven]

Big difference between a pit fight and a horse race I'm afraid. Blood sport was all the rage a couple of hundred years ago. Times change and people grow to understand the error of their ways. But it should be also pointed out that history repeats itself lest diligence stands in it's way.

I say let buddy Vick spend a couple of years in an animal shelter doing the work and seeing the carnage that is released on animals we keep as pets.
Maybe then it will settle in through that thick skull.

Would anyone consider bull-fighting any different?

Is the appetite for bloodsports any different than cinematic celebrations of horror and gratuitous violence? "Freddy", "Jason", Chucky", "Texas Chain Saw Masacre", video games that feature violence?

Do people attend car races because they admire the skill and tenacity of the driver or because it might provide the individual the opportunity to demonstrate how horrified they are at death and destruction?

Not all predators eat what they kill. Is the "excitement" approaching the edge of oblivion vicariously through dogs, cocks, bulls, Nascar drivers and bungie jumpers, extreme sports etc.?

If a very great many people didn't like porn, would Larry Flint or Hugh Hefner be famous and rich?

Who's to say what moral relativity is less or more acceptable than some other moral relativity?

 

[MikeyDB]

Unforgiven

Which horse races are you talking about?

Those races where a fox is hunted to exhaustion by dogs and men on horses?

Those races where men wager millions annually and "fixers" are as common as steroids in football?

Those races where the wealthy can celebrate their wealth while the poor at the OTB window are gambling on feeding their families or their substance dependency?

Mankind takes a creature and plants a human on its back or tethers it to a "bike" and calls that sport?

Isn't horse racing and bull fights and Sea World and the seal slaughter simply mankind exercising his prerogative to use and destroy other living creatures for his entertainment?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Training animals to fight to the death is disgusting and distasteful... Bum Fights on the other hand I find to be quite amusing. I would rather see a human suffer then a poor, fluffy animal.

 

[Unforgiven]

Unforgiven

Which horse races are you talking about?

Those races where a fox is hunted to exhaustion by dogs and men on horses?

Those races where men wager millions annually and "fixers" are as common as steroids in football?

Those races where the wealthy can celebrate their wealth while the poor at the OTB window are gambling on feeding their families or their substance dependency?

Mankind takes a creature and plants a human on its back or tethers it to a "bike" and calls that sport?

Isn't horse racing and bull fights and Sea World and the seal slaughter simply mankind exercising his prerogative to use and destroy other living creatures for his entertainment?

No the first one is a Fox Hunt. :smile:

Yes horse racing is what I'm talking about. Comparing horse racing with dog fights, bull fights the seal hunt and IRBS's favourite summer fun spot Marine Land, isn't going to win any arguments here. Tossing in people with gambling addiction is a red herring too.

There is no way that you can get to dogs fighting without it injuring or killing one or both of the dogs. A horse race can easily be held without any harm at all to the horse. For that matter, they quite like to do the very thing they were bred and raised for. Not to mention that should you make good at that sport, the retirement benefits rock!

But the point isn't that bull fighting is comparable to Doom or the trained seal act at some side show attraction, it's that a successful man having all the money and advantages this joker has, using his good fortune to cause such harm and suffering to something as innocent and delicate as a domesticated animal is despicable. And I don't think there is any argument about that.

 

[MikeyDB]

Unforgiven

I beg to differ.

You and many others here at CC don't like to think beyond the linear. Corruption in "sport" whether it's steroid use or doping horses at races is the same thing. For entertainment, fashion and a variety of reasons, money and power being the most basic, we as a species will tolerate and flock to events that bring great harm to other living creatures.

If Vick didn't organize dog fights and no one went to and gambled on those fights...would someone else do it....sure they would....if we don't have the appetites what would be the point in terrorizing torturing and killing all kinds of creatures? Good clean fun?

 

[Kreskin]

If he owned and operated a brothel I'm certain we could all debate what is and what isn't fair about the law, or justify him doing so. Nevertheless it is unlawful, and in taking his course in life he has jeopardized enormous wealth, reputation and home address, not to mention the negatives afforded to his family. If he wanted excitement he could've bought a yacht and sailed in the America's Cup.