Summer of the Gun II

[Walter]

3 dead in overnight violence

11-year-old boy gunned down at birthday party


By Sun Media


Three people are dead, including an 11-year-old boy, after a spate of violent incidents throughout the city overnight.
The 11-year-old boy was at his cousin's birthday party on Sheppard Ave. W. near Jane St, early Sunday morning when a gunman opened fire.
The boy was pronounced dead at the scene.
Around the same time, just before 1 a.m., two men were shot in the city's Entertainment District, near Adelaide St. W. and Duncan St.
One man was rushed to hospital where he was pronounced dead and the other is recovering from shots to the buttocks and leg.
A third homicide victim, the city's 45th of the year, was gunned down in an apartment building on Bleecker St., near Bloor and Parliament Sts., just before 2 a.m.
There was also a double stabbing in the city's west end, in a room at the Belaire Hotel on Belfield Rd. at Hwy. 27. Two people, one with life-threatening injuries, were taken to hospital.

From July 22, 2007 web site.

 

[#juan]

Three overnight shootings in Toronto have left two people dead, including an 11-year old boy, police said Sunday.
The boy as well as a man were shot in an apartment building in the northwest end of the city on Sheppard Avenue West near Jane Street.
Police and paramedics were called to the building around 1 a.m. ET and discovered the boy dead at the scene, said duty officer Dave Viljak with Toronto Emergency Medical Services.
The injured man, described as being in his 20s, was treated for a gunshot wound to his leg. Police said he is not co-operating with their investigation.



Would it be racist to suggest that these shootings and killings involved Toronto's black community yet again?



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[MikeyDB]

Juan

A person's skin color is no more to blame for this than is the existence of the firearm.

I understand what you're saying but there are reasons behind the prevalence (or read about and presumed prevalence) regarding the frequency of ethnically specific crime. These people have elected to step beyond the bounds of civil society, and it doesn't matter if their skin is black red purple or orange...just like it doesn't matter if they used a can of gasoline a butcher knife or a car to kill their victim (s).

If an individuals ethnicity makes him a target for crime...if a black man or woman can make more money and garner more respect from the "society" in which he or she lives, that's an issue far beyond the black and white (no pun intended) of these kinds of sadness.

You can't protect anyone with "legislation". You can only plant the seeds of reason and tolerance if that's the undercurrent you wish to inculcate in human perception and behavior through how you sculpt these notions as a government and as an enforcement community and as a society.

Crime is the response that comes to individuals when their personal greed overcomes their better judgment....see Conrad Black.....when their passions overcome their common sense and when conditions compel people to throw down the masks and facades of civility and return to the jungle.

 

[Walter]

The night before:
Jul 21, 2007 05:17 PM
Rachel De Lazzer
Staff Reporter
A man was shot dead early this morning outside the Town Talk bar on Vaughan Rd. near Dufferin St. and Eglinton Ave. W.
The victim, 21-year-old Kimel Foster, was pronounced dead on the scene, said Toronto Emergency Medical Services Duty Officer Connie Christie. He was shot in the stomach.
A second man, 26, was taken to Sunnybrook with serious injuries.
The shooting is the city’s 42nd homicide of the year.
Police would give little detail until a duty inspector had investigated the scene.

4 dead in two days.

 

[Walter]

A person's skin color is no more to blame for this than is the existence of the firearm.

Skin colour is not to blame but culture is.

 

[#juan]

A person's skin color is no more to blame for this than is the existence of the firearm.

That would normally be a given, but these people have been responsible for most of the street crime and violence in Toronto for the last decade. It's almost like we've imported the whole problem from Detroit or somewhere else where this sort of thing is considered normal.

 

[Walter]

It's almost like we've imported the whole problem from Detroit or somewhere else where this sort of thing is considered normal.

Imported from Kingston, Jamaica is more like it.
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20051104/lead/lead8.html

 

[Minority Observer84]

Ummmm Actually the city with the highest crime rate in Canada is Saskatoon according to stats Canada . I know it must be the Jamaican population of Saskatoon that is committing these crimes . Or maybe it's the natives.

Consider your racist point debunked .

 

[#juan]

Ummmm Actually the city with the highest crime rate in Canada is Saskatoon according to stats Canada . I know it must be the Jamaican population of Saskatoon that is committing these crimes . Or maybe it's the natives.

Consider your racist point debunked .

The natives are responsible for the high crime rate in Saskatoon, just as the blacks are responsible for the high crime rate in that part of Toronto. This is not racist. It is fact.

 

[MikeyDB]

Juan

So are you suggesting that like the abundance of melanin that makes the black person black, that their mental capacity their facility to social conditioning their love for their children or mothers and fathers, their preferences in what they eat and what they listen to ....are genetically determined?

 

[Avro]

There is no summer of the gun II and any belief in that is just plain fear mongering. Toronto is one of the safest cities in North America.

 

[#juan]

Juan

So are you suggesting that like the abundance of melanin that makes the black person black, that their mental capacity their facility to social conditioning their love for their children or mothers and fathers, their preferences in what they eat and what they listen to ....are genetically determined?

Where, I ask, did I even suggest that crime had anything to do with the abundance of melanin or the lack of it? In Toronto, we've imported that counterculture directly from the Indies. In Saskatoon the court system has pussyfooted on native crime for years resulting in the situation we have now.

 

[MikeyDB]

Juan

Would it be racist to suggest that these shootings and killings involved Toronto's black community yet again?

 

[#juan]

Juan

Would it be racist to suggest that these shootings and killings involved Toronto's black community yet again?

It might just be. The troublemakers are not all blacks, but mainly blacks from Jamaica. It seems, after a bit of research, that Toronto doesn't have a black problem. They have a Jamaican problem.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Ummmm Actually the city with the highest crime rate in Canada is Saskatoon according to stats Canada . I know it must be the Jamaican population of Saskatoon that is committing these crimes . Or maybe it's the natives.

Consider your racist point debunked .

You have debunked nothing, how many murders are there in Saskatoon in a year opposed to Toronto?

 

[DurkaDurka]

There is no summer of the gun II and any belief in that is just plain fear mongering. Toronto is one of the safest cities in North America.

Go hang out in Malvern, or Jane and Finch and tell me that. They would east your cracka ass for lunch.

 

[Colpy]

Juan

A person's skin color is no more to blame for this than is the existence of the firearm.

I understand what you're saying but there are reasons behind the prevalence (or read about and presumed prevalence) regarding the frequency of ethnically specific crime. These people have elected to step beyond the bounds of civil society, and it doesn't matter if their skin is black red purple or orange...just like it doesn't matter if they used a can of gasoline a butcher knife or a car to kill their victim (s).

If an individuals ethnicity makes him a target for crime...if a black man or woman can make more money and garner more respect from the "society" in which he or she lives, that's an issue far beyond the black and white (no pun intended) of these kinds of sadness.

You can't protect anyone with "legislation". You can only plant the seeds of reason and tolerance if that's the undercurrent you wish to inculcate in human perception and behavior through how you sculpt these notions as a government and as an enforcement community and as a society.

Crime is the response that comes to individuals when their personal greed overcomes their better judgment....see Conrad Black.....when their passions overcome their common sense and when conditions compel people to throw down the masks and facades of civility and return to the jungle.

Mikey, you are, of course, correct about skin colour....It is Jamaican CULTURE that is the culprit. Greed and lack of better judgement exists in all races and cultures across the board, as does poverty. But it is the Jamaicans that do most of the shooting. The island has a murder rate of about 35 per 100,000.......compared to 2 per 100,000 here, and 6 per 100,000 in the USA.

BTW, guns are BANNED on the island......all legal guns were "temporarily" turned in in the 70s, during political upheaval. They were then loaded on a barge and dumped at sea......and you get LIFE for possesion of a single round of ammunition. A gun control success story......not.

 

[Colpy]

....And I just watched that idiot of a mayor, Miller, call for the banning of handguns in Canada.

Silly, for the following top three reasons...

1. As pointed out in the Jamaican example above, banning things does not prevent murder, therefore banning handguns would constitute an unjustifiable attack on liberty.

2. Jamaican gang members are not shooting each other with registered guns..........

3. I sincerely doubt Jamaican gang members use even stolen guns......if they can import illegal cocaine by the ton, they can import a gun or two.......and VERY rarely are stolen handguns used in homicides in Canada.

 

[Minority Observer84]

You have debunked nothing, how many murders are there in Saskatoon in a year opposed to Toronto?

It's population based toronto has more than ten times the population of Saskatoon to do it numerically would be idiotic .

 

[DurkaDurka]

It's population based toronto has more than ten times the population of Saskatoon to do it numerically would be idiotic .

Right... and how many gun crimes occur in Saskatoon per year? I don't care about general crime statistics.