Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims


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By LAURA CLARK -

British Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.
The findings have prompted claims that some schools are using history 'as a vehicle for promoting political correctness'.
The study, funded by the Department for Education and Skills, looked into 'emotive and controversial' history teaching in primary and secondary schools.
It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class.
The researchers gave the example of a secondary school in an unnamed northern city, which dropped the Holocaust as a subject for GCSE coursework.
The report said teachers feared confronting 'anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils'.
It added: "In another department, the Holocaust was taught despite anti-Semitic sentiment among some pupils.
"But the same department deliberately avoided teaching the Crusades at Key Stage 3 (11- to 14-year-olds) because their balanced treatment of the topic would have challenged what was taught in some local mosques."
A third school found itself 'strongly challenged by some Christian parents for their treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict-and the history of the state of Israel that did not accord with the teachings of their denomination'.
The report concluded: "In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."
But Chris McGovern, history education adviser to the former Tory government, said: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."
The researchers also warned that a lack of subject knowledge among teachers - particularly at primary level - was leading to history being taught in a 'shallow way leading to routine and superficial learning'.
Lessons in difficult topics were too often 'bland, simplistic and unproblematic' and bored pupils.
 
tamarin
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If this is what multiculturalism leads to it's time for some rough justice. In Canada we'll likely face similar episodes as conniving special interests have co-opted parliament for years. It's all a sham. But the multicults must be put on notice: if you're going to screw with our traditions and basic belief systems we're going to hang you out to dry.
 
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They have not worried about offending Jews for all these years.

Are they saying their Muslim citizens are more important?
 
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I think this is ridiculous, we will have to stand up for our traditions and if that includes teaching about the Holocaust so be it. People seem to criticize the reaction to Muslim and Hisidic demands in Quebec but we don't want our open society to change. I haven't heard of any others in Canada doing very much. A lot of people will wake up when it is too late.
 
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I checked my PC handbook, nowhere did it endorse this sort of behaviour. In fact it seemed to argue that this was the sort of things people who believe in political correctness should fight, moreover, that everyone should be appalled at the propagandistic approach to history.
 
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Using history is common. What's it good for if you can't change it to suit the day?
 
tamarin
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There was a time when beavers were hunted almost to extinction. You're one they missed.
 
Kreskin
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It seems like the UK has a radical islamic element beyond what we see in North America. Why are they caving in for the radicals?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

It seems like the UK has a radical islamic element beyond what we see in North America. Why are they caving in for the radicals?

This report actually seems to be counter to their current stance regarding islam (or is it Islam?). There has been a dirge of reports of new laws enabling the school boards to enforce dress codes that can basically eliminate veils. I am not exactly sure what "some teachers" -- entails...
 
Kreskin
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Who is Laura Clark and where was this published? It would be good to have links to these articles.
 
hermanntrude
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the national curriculum in the UK actually reccomends full coverage of these subjects. the report is finding that many teachers are just too wet and/or too intimidated to do what they're supposed to do. It not a legislative problem it's a personal problem for some of the teachers. Unfortunately there's a giant shortage of teachers in the UK because of the societal dislike for children, so they can't fire the teachers for not doing their jobs
 
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I found the article:

link
 
tamarin
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Herman, why do the British dislike children? Granted, many are obnoxious and perverse but that's true of children everywhere. What's nettling the British?
 
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The act of P.C. is always started by sectular people thinking that all religion of intolerant and therefore is fair game for their rule making. It is generally against what is perceived as white Christian faith, but can be against any faith.

Most islamic followers are NOT out to get Jews!! for that matter these two races have lived together quite well for thousands of years. Most problems arose with the artifical formation of Israel. May Arabs upset that land was taken for this purpose. They then watched this new nation thrive, while they faultered. This is what created enemies..not their faith...

Alas the U.K. has alway been out to lunch when it comes to P.C. remember bah bah Black sheep being an issue??
 
Kreskin
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Hoew many teachers is some? There are probably some teachers who do just about anything, and have so since forever.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Herman, why do the British dislike children? Granted, many are obnoxious and perverse but that's true of children everywhere. What's nettling the British?

I honestly don't know. I'm not saying it's all-pervading or even a strong dislike, but it's part of the reason I left. There are a lot of people who say things like "oh i hate kids, i'll never have any" and when a baby is in a restaurant anyone nearby groans inwardly or outwardly and says to themselves "bloody kids". There are shops which allow dogs but not kids. In Canada, however, my experience is that kids are smiled at and waved to and interacted with, and generally tolerated when they're being noisy, although even that somehow seems to happen less... maybe i'm biased. The difference is small but important I think.

Having said all that it's not a big thing but a very subtle thing running under the surface, but I think it results in a lot of bad things, and is probably simply a result of overpopulation. A candadian, even once they've visited the UK might not realise just how crowded it is. Newfoundland is almost as big as the entire UK but has a population less than 100 times less.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Hoew many teachers is some? There are probably some teachers who do just about anything, and have so since forever.

good point. probably some of the white teachers who work in eastern and cenral london and birmingham and manchester and other high muslem proportion areas.
 
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Herman, I read your link and I see the Brits are trying to give teachers a helping hand in discipline:

"Teachers have been given tough new powers to restrain and punish classroom yobs.
From now on their rights to use force to control aggressive pupils and to impose disciplinary sanctions are enshrined in law for the first time."



Good to see! Certainly, in Canada the simpleminded - and there are plenty of Canadians with no more meat in their nut than an acorn - have to be confronted in their campaign to lionize children and champion their rights. We need functioning schools. And teachers confident of what it is they're doing and the means to do it.
 
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What I don't understand is why Muslims would find the Holocaust offensive?

Muslims didn't shovel Jews into ovens, the Nazi's did that.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

I honestly don't know. I'm not saying it's all-pervading or even a strong dislike, but it's part of the reason I left. There are a lot of people who say things like "oh i hate kids, i'll never have any" and when a baby is in a restaurant anyone nearby groans inwardly or outwardly and says to themselves "bloody kids". There are shops which allow dogs but not kids. In Canada, however, my experience is that kids are smiled at and waved to and interacted with, and generally tolerated when they're being noisy, although even that somehow seems to happen less... maybe i'm biased. The difference is small but important I think.

Having said all that it's not a big thing but a very subtle thing running under the surface, but I think it results in a lot of bad things, and is probably simply a result of overpopulation. A candadian, even once they've visited the UK might not realise just how crowded it is. Newfoundland is almost as big as the entire UK but has a population less than 100 times less.

As long as parents are being responsible with where they take kids others shouldn't have a problem. If you're taking toddlers to a black tie affair that's worth people snickering. If it's to a family restaurant that's fair game. Anyone with a problem with kids in a family restaurant shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
tamarin
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Kreskin, I've done some editing for you!
"Anyone with a problem with kids in a family restaurant shouldn't be there in the first place."

Should read: "Anyone with problem kids in a family restaurant shouldn't be there in the first place."
You don't have to thank me!
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Kreskin, I've done some editing for you!
"Anyone with a problem with kids in a family restaurant shouldn't be there in the first place."

Should read: "Anyone with problem kids in a family restaurant shouldn't be there in the first place."
You don't have to thank me!

No absolutely not. Everyone can find a problem with a 3 year old being a 3 year old. Kids make noise. Big friggin deal. If one expects a young kid to sit with hands folded for more the four seconds he's in for a surprise. I don't mind kids being kids in a family restaurant. As long as their not climbing on my table. If I didn't want to be around kids I should go to diner likely not catering to young families.
 
hermanntrude
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Herman, I read your link and I see the Brits are trying to give teachers a helping hand in discipline:

"Teachers have been given tough new powers to restrain and punish classroom yobs.
From now on their rights to use force to control aggressive pupils and to impose disciplinary sanctions are enshrined in law for the first time."



Good to see! Certainly, in Canada the simpleminded - and there are plenty of Canadians with no more meat in their nut than an acorn - have to be confronted in their campaign to lionize children and champion their rights. We need functioning schools. And teachers confident of what it is they're doing and the means to do it.

yes well it is good news...

My wife was teaching in the UK for two years. she had special training at once stage which sounds very useful. It was all about physically restraining a kid without hurting it. Lots of very clever techniques.
 
hermanntrude
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

No absolutely not. Everyone can find a problem with a 3 year old being a 3 year old. Kids make noise. Big friggin deal. If one expects a young kid to sit with hands folded for more the four seconds he's in for a surprise. I don't mind kids being kids in a family restaurant. As long as their not climbing on my table. If I didn't want to be around kids I should go to diner likely not catering to young families.

I agree with you on this kreskin. Although it IS easier if the kid isnt a maniac. Although most kids tend to know when they're not appreciated and that can make them act worse i suspect, so the attitude of the people around them might be part of the problem.
 
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Kreskin, if a kid fires a spoon at me in a family restaurant I ask the parent politely but firmly to pick it up. I don't mind the little blighters but if they take to firing missiles I draw the line.

Herman, I'm old school when it comes to kids. I believe in corporal punishment and the government keeping its big nose out of family affairs.
Yes, we saw some abuse in the past but now the family and school system are in crisis due to stupid policies on the part of government ministries. Special interests are an abomination.
 
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i'm sorry but beating a kid will NOT help. there are better ways. Violence is never the answer.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Kreskin, if a kid fires a spoon at me in a family restaurant I ask the parent politely but firmly to pick it up. I don't mind the little blighters but if they take to firing missiles I draw the line.

Herman, I'm old school when it comes to kids. I believe in corporal punishment and the government keeping its big nose out of family affairs.
Yes, we saw some abuse in the past but now the family and school system are in crisis due to stupid policies on the part of government ministries. Special interests are an abomination.

And that has happened how many times in your life? I have never had a blighter firing spoonfuls of anything at me in a restaurant. I don't think that's tolerated by anyone. But I believe Herm is referring to people thumbing their noses at kids being normal kids. If one doesn't like seeing or hearing kids he shouldn't go where kids will be. There are plenty of other establishments where kids won't be.
 
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No, Herman, a good welltimed swat is golden. I come from a neighbourhood and time where corporal punishment was routine. It worked. The neighbourhood was safe, kids were polite. Adults were involved. A wonderful period in our history. I haven't seen its like since.
And we certainly don't need more counsellors and therapists for children. It's an industry and a blight on the soul of the western world.
 
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I know a guy who spent 25 years in "the projects" in Chicago as pediatrician. He felt the negativity of parents was the worst influence they could have. For example, he knew a woman who had a few "problem" kids who lived on a second floor. She had a stool near a window and the window was open most of the time. He said she spent half of her day yelling at these kids to get away from the window. She fed them negative after negative constantly. She wondered why her kids were a problem. He moved the stool, shut the window and said "here's a start to a better relationship". Now she didn't have to yell at them 5 times a day. Perhaps she could spend her time drumming more positives into them.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Kreskin, if a kid fires a spoon at me in a family restaurant I ask the parent politely but firmly to pick it up. I don't mind the little blighters but if they take to firing missiles I draw the line.

Herman, I'm old school when it comes to kids. I believe in corporal punishment and the government keeping its big nose out of family affairs.
Yes, we saw some abuse in the past but now the family and school system are in crisis due to stupid policies on the part of government ministries. Special interests are an abomination.

And the government has sanctioned the use of corporal punishment as long as:
  1. You don't use objects, i.e. weapons.
  2. You don't use humiliation.
  3. You avoid hitting their face.
Very reasonable. If you are using a belt, you are assaulting them, not teaching them a lesson. If you are pulling their pants down in public to spank them you are seriously damaging their mental state. If you are hitting them in the face you are endangering their eyes, ears, nose and mouth.

I used to find children obnoxious. Then I realized how awful it must be for parents to have to cope with my attitude. So I changed it. Our children face discipline problems nowadays because people work too much and don't spend enough time with their families. It is well documented. My mother, a teacher, talks about it frequently as well. Children spend more times with TV and video games nowadays. If they spent more time interacting with actual people they would not have the attention problems that they do today.

I had a biology teacher who refused to teach us evolution. He handed us the book and told us to read it, summarise it and turn it in. Then he would put the projects on a scale, the heaviest project got the highest mark...
 
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