Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Stretch

#1Mar 11th, 2007

the fda, you need to keep an eye on...have been watching them for quite sometime now...not good!

'Looking closer, nearly all of the many companies I looked into this afternoon have received warning letters from the FDA stating that because of their claims about the healing properties of tart cherries, the cherry juice and/or cherries are therefore considered to be a "drug," and the vendors must file a "New Drug Application". What crap is this!'
http://rense.com/general75/cberries.htm

darkbeaver

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 11th, 2007

That's crazy enough to be true eh.

hermanntrude

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 11th, 2007

OK well i can see how this works:

Mr cherry seller is selling his cherries, believes they're good for pain, maybe they actually are too. He writes on the packages of his cherries (which havent been selling too well recently) that it cures arthritis and saves lives and is a wonder-drug. The FDA catches hold of the false advertising and politely writes to mr cherry seller pointing out that they can't really sell products which claimn to cure conditions without any scientific proof of said claims. They also point out that if and when they get the proof, they need to liscence their product as a drug, since that is what it'd be.

My cherry seller gets upset and writes his own vaguely worded website about the demon FDA sending threatening letters and the "fact" that 2/3 of the US population suffers pain due to fluoride poisoning.

darkbeaver

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 11th, 2007

So are cherrys good for you or not?

hermanntrude

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 11th, 2007

well thhey contain vitamins but i doubt they cure gonnorhea

Stretch

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 11th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

OK well i can see how this works:

Mr cherry seller is selling his cherries, believes they're good for pain, maybe they actually are too. He writes on the packages of his cherries (which havent been selling too well recently) that it cures arthritis and saves lives and is a wonder-drug. The FDA catches hold of the false advertising and politely writes to mr cherry seller pointing out that they can't really sell products which claimn to cure conditions without any scientific proof of said claims. They also point out that if and when they get the proof, they need to liscence their product as a drug, since that is what it'd be.

My cherry seller gets upset and writes his own vaguely worded website about the demon FDA sending threatening letters and the "fact" that 2/3 of the US population suffers pain due to fluoride poisoning.

Aspartame Causes Cancer in Rats at Levels Currently Approved for Humans

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Aspartame - Rumsfeld's
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Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
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Dexter Sinister

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

So are cherrys good for you or not?

Yes they are, but cherries with milk are poison...

The FDA's position in principle seems perfectly clear and reasonable: if you're going to claim that your product cures diseases, then you'd better be prepared to prove it by accepted scientific methods if it hasn't already been proven. You could market oranges claiming they cure scurvy without getting into trouble, because it's common knowledge that scurvy is a vitamin C deficiency and oranges contain vitamin C. But if you claim they cure cancer or chronic pain, which is not common knowledge, you have to prove it or stop making the claim. The definition of drug cited in the letters is perhaps a little short-sighted and bureaucratic (yeah I know, that's redundant), but the principle is right: if you're going to make medicinal claims for your product, you have to have the evidence that proves your claim. And about the cherries in this particular case, its promoters offer only anecdotes and testimonials, which aren't good enough.

hermanntrude

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

Aspartame Causes Cancer in Rats at Levels Currently Approved for Humans

When you take a chemistry course you very quickly realise pretty much everything we eat breath and touch in the modern world is a carcinogen. Get used to cancer, it's gonna be big.

L Gilbert

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

the fda, you need to keep an eye on...have been watching them for quite sometime now...not good!

'Looking closer, nearly all of the many companies I looked into this afternoon have received warning letters from the FDA stating that because of their claims about the healing properties of tart cherries, the cherry juice and/or cherries are therefore considered to be a "drug," and the vendors must file a "New Drug Application". What crap is this!'

http://rense.com/general75/cberries.htm

Hey, I have a small fortune sitting in jars by the dozens in my cellar stairwell. Cool. Wunner if I can expect a raid. Ah, not a biggie, all they can get me for is possession.

#10

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

When you take a chemistry course you very quickly realise pretty much everything we eat breath and touch in the modern world is a carcinogen. Get used to cancer, it's gonna be big.

There's an old saying that everything nowadays either prevents cancer or causes cancer. In other words, if it doesn't prevent cancer it probably causes it.

L Gilbert

#11

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

Aspartame Causes Cancer in Rats at Levels Currently Approved for Humans

Yeah. A long time ago someone did another project where they showed sugar caused cancer in rats. Thing was, for a human to eat enough sugar to maybe cause cancer, he/she would have to eat something like 10 pounds a day or some such ridiculous amount. And these guys get grants to study crap like that. lol

L Gilbert

#12

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Yep. There are 2 perfect cures for cancer (any kind): avoid getting it and the other is quit breathing.

hermanntrude

#13

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by gc

There's an old saying that everything nowadays either prevents cancer or causes cancer. In other words, if it doesn't prevent cancer it probably causes it.

I think it's quite likely some things do both

Sparrow

#14

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

What about Tartar Control Toothpaste, it contain : FD&C Blue #1 - carcinogenic
Saccharin - carcinogenic
Fluoride - possible carcinogenic
Another on we use on babies Talcum Powder: Talc is carcinogenic and has a risk factor for ovarian cancer and it is a lung irritant.
As you say most everything we eat or use has carcinogenic products that is why I say instead of all the millions spend on research to find a cure why not use it to PREVENT cancer. Oh I forgot cancer is a big money maker for the pharmaceutical companies and research companies.

Stretch

#15

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Mar 12th, 2007

>>>Yeah. A long time ago someone did another project where they showed sugar caused cancer in rats.<<< that is refined sugar, not raw or brown.
The Sweetest Poison of All

A multitude of common physical and mental ailments are strongly linked to the consuming of 'pure', refined sugar.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/sugarblues.html

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karrie

#16

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Interesting thread. this issue had the fibromyalgia community up in arms, claiming the government was trying to suppress alternative treatments, etc. It made me laugh. As has been pointed out by hermann and dexter (possibly others, if I missed you, I apologize), if a product claims to have healing effects due to a chemical property within it, they have to supply scientific evidence. This is a GOOD thing, believe it or not. When we head down to the pharmacy, we expect the stuff in the packages to do what the package says it will. Pretty simple.

The fact that cherries do what the growers are claiming, is beside the point.

And yes, cherries are antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, tart cherries especially so. Tart cherry juice is a big seller for people with arthritic conditions of all sorts, and was one of the first things the doc AND the pharmacist suggested for my hubby's gout.

Sparrow

#17

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Mar 12th, 2007

When my doctor told me I had gout, I told him he was cazy and that I had had high acidity since birth. Then I went to a homeopath, he told me that eating the following green beans, pears, iceberg lettuce,
cucumber a couple on times a day. These foods eliminate acid. it will take a bit of time. All my pain disappeared and if my foot begins to hurt I eat these foods and it goes away.

Hope you hubby feels better soon.

karrie

#18

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow

When my doctor told me I had gout, I told him he was cazy and that I had had high acidity since birth. Then I went to a homeopath, he told me that eating the following green beans, pears, iceberg lettuce,
cucumber a couple on times a day. These foods eliminate acid. it will take a bit of time. All my pain disappeared and if my foot begins to hurt I eat these foods and it goes away.

Hope you hubby feels better soon.

We manage his gout pretty well through diet. When his gout flared up the absolute worst, it was barbeque season. Lots of steak, lots of shrimp, lots of beer. So, now we only eat two meals a week with purine foods. The rest are tofu, chicken, salmon or turkey. And, no more beer. So far though, he's never had to go through a summer with no beer and no steak. So, we'll see how he handles this summer. lol. I'll pass along the information about the green beans and such, and see if he has success with it.

Stretch

#19

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Mar 12th, 2007

>>>Tart cherry juice is a big seller for people with arthritic conditions of all sorts, and was one of the first things the doc AND the pharmacist suggested for my hubby's gout.<<<
so if the doc and the pharmacist knew of its beneficial qualities...one would assume it had been thru the "tried and true" method of testing.........dont forget, its not that long ago that scientists told us that thalidomide was safe

karrie

#20

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Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

so if the doc and the pharmacist knew of its beneficial qualities...one would assume it had been thru the "tried and true" method of testing.........dont forget, its not that long ago that scientists told us that thalidomide was safe

No, one wouldn't assume that. The doctor never wrote out a prescription or a dosage. It was a suggestion that it's been found to help, and has anti-inflammatory/antioxidant properties. They weren't advertising it, or selling it to me as a medicine, merely suggesting it as a nutritional aid. You're right that it wasn't that long ago that scientists said thalidimide was safe. It also wasn't that long ago that people were duped out of their money buy snake-oil salesmen who sold all nature of 'medicines', which could help or hurt.

hermanntrude

#21

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Mar 12th, 2007

anyway the (ph)thalidamide (spelling?) was a genuine mistake. It was the first time scientists realised that the enantiomer of a compound could be toxic (teratogenic is the correct term i think). It was tested on the usual animals and seemed to be fine. Thalidamide is being used again now but as a single enantiomer instead of a racemic mixture.

Kreskin

#22

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Mar 12th, 2007

Isn't it just a cleansing for the body to eat a well balanced diet. It's amazing that any body function works properly as fulltime burgervors.

karrie

#23

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Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Isn't it just a cleansing for the body to eat a well balanced diet. It's amazing that any body function works properly as fulltime burgervors.

That's not true of all illnesses. With gout, the list of foods to avoid include.....

Beef
Tuna
shrimp
Pork
asparagus
beans
broccoli
whole wheat breads (processed flours are preferable)
mushrooms
oatmeal

thats to name a few. It's not necessarily an unhealthy menu that can cause problems

Stretch

#24

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

>>>duped out of their money buy snake-oil salesmen who sold all nature of 'medicines', which could help or hurt.<<<
by "snake oil salesmen" I assume you mean the likes of the company that makes ritilin and the people that reccomend itsa use in helping add/adhd affected kids...despite no scientific evidence proveing there is such a thing as add/adhd...

ADD & ADHD
Epidemic of a Phantom Disease

There is no proof that "attention deficits" in children are anything but normal human variants, yet medical practitioners are labelling more and more children with this diagnosis and giving them dangerous stimulant drugs to control their behaviour.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ADHDisbogus.html

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
- (Exposing the Fraud of ADD and ADHD) -
http://www.adhdfraud.com/

Think Ritalin Is Safe? - Read
What Novartis Says About
Its Own Product!
http://www.rense.com/general63/thin.htm

karrie

#25

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Mar 12th, 2007

No, I don't equate drug companies with snake oil salesmen. Drug companies have verified levels of chemicals with verified properties in their meds. They have been studied, and their effects have been critiqued. Whether they are NEEDED, is another issue altogether, and not really pertinent to a thread discussing the FDA's rules regarding scientific proofs being required in order to claim medical benefits from a product.

Stretch

#26

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

and the medical benefits to be gained from the ingestion of ritilin are.......

or the fda approved aspartame.......
or the fda approval of the introduction of fluoride in bottled water dispite no scientific evidence to prove that fluoride prevents tooth decay....

karrie

#27

Re: Big Pharma's Lunatic FDA Says Cherries Are Now Drugs

Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch

and the medical benefits to be gained from the ingestion of ritilin are.......

or the fda approved aspartame.......
or the fda approval of the introduction of fluoride in bottled water dispite no scientific evidence to prove that fluoride prevents tooth decay....

ritalin.... ADD, even if you think it doesn't exist, it's been proven in clinical trials to help focus children who lack focus.

aspartame, makes no claims for health benefits, other than to be a virtually calorie free sugar substitute, especailly beneficial for people with diabetes. Its benefits in improving the diets and health of diabetics is proven, despite any of the side effects others may experience (and I happen to be one of those who can not use aspartame). It doesn't make claims to cure any illness, and yet it is subject to FDA approval as well. Proving the point that something that makes health claims had better be able to prove it.

As for flouride, it has long been shown to improve the strength of tooth enamel. Again, whether you think it is needed or not, the FDA requires it be approved, because it is being added to our system with a claimed effect.

They are consistent, and their role is an important one, even if it seems cumbersome at times

Kreskin

#28

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Mar 12th, 2007

Have you seen the lastest? - Restless Legs Syndrome.

karrie

#29

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Mar 12th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Have you seen the lastest? - Restless Legs Syndrome.

Yeah, antioxidants take the acid out of the muscles, and the anti-inflammatory effects take down the nerve aggrevation... both actions would help stop the spasming. It's not a one dose sort of thing mind you.

hermanntrude

#30

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Mar 12th, 2007

I have restless tongue syndrome. I click my tongue and move air around my mouth all the time. It drives me nuts and makes me sore. I also click my toes and jiggle my legs and on a really heavy day of caffeine use, I bite my own lips till they bleed.

Putting it like that I'm not sure if i should press the button to post this.

be kind to me i'm a freak

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