Couple jailed for child torture


marygaspe
#1
A couple who subjected their four-year-old disabled daughter to a systematic campaign of cruelty have been jailed for a total of 22 years. Samuel Duncan, 27, and his 23-year-old partner, Kimberly Harte, kicked and scalded the girl, who has cerebral palsy, and also pulled out her hair.
They were sentenced to 10-and-a-half and 11-and-a half years respectively at Middlesex Crown Court.
The couple, from Maida Vale, London, admitted three counts of child cruelty.
They had denied charges of causing grievous bodily harm with intent between 1 February and 18 March last year, but were convicted at the end of a trial last December.
The little girl had boiling water poured over her hands, had huge clumps of hair ripped from her head, was kicked so hard in the groin she suffered internal injuries and was locked naked in the toilet each night.
She was also forced to eat her own faeces.
Det Sgt Anthony Smith, from the Central Child Abuse Team, said: "This is without doubt the worst case of child abuse I have personally had to deal with.
"When I met the young girl she was in a terrible condition.
"But I'm now happy to report that she's improved dramatically with the care that she's now receiving."
'Would have died'
Jurors heard the youngster was in almost constant agony until her grandmother began to suspect what was going on and called in social services.
The little girl had suffered such "horrific injuries" that she would almost certainly have died without treatment, the court heard.
She was in such pain that she had to be examined by doctors under general anaesthetic.
The court heard how the little girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was born prematurely and afflicted with cerebral palsy as a result.
Shortly after her second birthday she was taken into care following concerns about domestic violence.
'Mental scars'
She was due to be fostered to a family but a report from Westminster Council in January last year recommended the girl be placed back into the care of Duncan and Harte.
Although it is understood up to 20 visits were made to the family home by social services and other care professionals, no abuse was suspected.
But the court heard that, within a month of being placed back with her family, the girl was being abused by her carers.
Passing sentence, Judge Paul Worsley told the pair: "The physical scars may well heal in time, but I doubt the mental scars ever will.
"No tear of remorse has been shown by either of you for what you did."
The girl's injuries have led to urgent calls for a full independent inquiry into Westminster Council's handling of the situation.
Councillor Paul Dimoldenberg, Leader of Westminster's opposition Labour Group, said: "We believe there needs to be an inquiry into the circumstances of how this baby girl was allowed to go back to her parents."
"There appears on this occasion to have been no shortage of experts involved but they appear to have got it very badly wrong."





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RomSpaceKnight
#2
Should have been 22 years EACH.
 
selfactivated
#3
May I have a sorce link please.
 
mapleleafgirl
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

May I have a sorce link please.

its spelled "source", whats the matter, dont know how to google
 
mapleleafgirl
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

May I have a sorce link please.

dont sweat it marygaspe. shes only at you cos youre catholic.
 
RomSpaceKnight
#6
Or maybe she is a member on other sites and thought the story had merit in a Decline of Humanity sort of forum.

And its "because" not cos, whats the matter don't you know how to google, use the shift key for capital letters or find the apostrophe and question mark keys?
 
CDNBear
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by marygaspeView Post

A couple who subjected their four-year-old disabled daughter to a systematic campaign of cruelty have been jailed for a total of 22 years.

Can I ask for your take on this mary?
 
mapleleafgirl
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnightView Post

Or maybe she is a member on other sites and thought the story had merit in a Decline of Humanity sort of forum.

And its "because" not cos, whats the matter don't you know how to google, use the shift key for capital letters or find the apostrophe and question mark keys?

yeh, whatever.
 
CDNBear
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

yeh, whatever.

Great come back hypocrit.

The last ditch efforts of the defunked poster, point out spelling errors. Have you anything of relavence to add, or just spout off like a child?
 
mapleleafgirl
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Great come back hypocrit.

The last ditch efforts of the defunked poster, point out spelling errors. Have you anything of relavence to add, or just spout off like a child?


i didnt point out spelling errors
 
RomSpaceKnight
#11
She is a child. Gently ribbing her and trying to help her grow in to a tolerant person is a responsibilty of those in this online community. She is stubborn and spiteful though. I hold to the basic goodness of people so am really really trying to with hold final judgment.
 
RomSpaceKnight
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

its spelled "source", whats the matter, dont know how to google

Smoking dope giving you short term memory loss, lass.
 
mapleleafgirl
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnightView Post

She is a child. Gently ribbing her and trying to help her grow in to a tolerant person is a responsibilty of those in this online community. She is stubborn and spiteful though. I hold to the basic goodness of people so am really really trying to with hold final judgment.


so people are only tolerant when they agree with you. or if theyre like pagans or whatever. otherwise theyre not tolerant..yeh, like thats tolerance for ya!
 
CDNBear
#14
Directed at selfactivated
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

its spelled "source", whats the matter, dont know how to google

So you're a liar as well as a hypocrit?
 
mapleleafgirl
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Directed at selfactivated
So you're a liar as well as a hypocrit?

big deal. she gets on my nerves. shes such a bigot it is amazing. but ,hey if you dont agree thats cool.
 
CDNBear
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

so people are only tolerant when they agree with you. or if theyre like pagans or whatever. otherwise theyre not tolerant..yeh, like thats tolerance for ya!

Wrong!!!

There are many a member on this forum, I will never see eye to eye with, but they use calm and reasoned fact to base their opinions on. They choose to follow a path that does not seek to judge others, but merely guide, teach or share with.

Unlike those that you have begun to support. As well as yourself.

Using reason, is the best way to get my respect. Being irrational gets you the opposite.
 
CDNBear
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

big deal. she gets on my nerves. shes such a bigot it is amazing. but ,hey if you dont agree thats cool.

Have you read anything you and your new found buddies have posted here???

You are a hypocrit and a bigot of the highest order lil girl.
 
mapleleafgirl
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Have you read anything you and your new found buddies have posted here???

You are a hypocrit and a bigot of the highest order lil girl.

what buddies? sanctus? hes been very helpful to me, and thats cool with me.
 
Alexander
#19
Make love, not war.
 
mapleleafgirl
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Wrong!!!

There are many a member on this forum, I will never see eye to eye with, but they use calm and reasoned fact to base their opinions on. They choose to follow a path that does not seek to judge others, but merely guide, teach or share with.

Unlike those that you have begun to support. As well as yourself.

Using reason, is the best way to get my respect. Being irrational gets you the opposite.

well thats my point, but you adults dont want to get. you guys are exactly the same from where i sit. you might not believe the same crap, but you behave exactly the same. youll deny it, but other than one is sanctus and one is bear, you and him are pretty much the same to anyone who disagrees with you. course youll call me some more names for saying that.
 
CDNBear
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirlView Post

well thats my point, but you adults dont want to get. you guys are exactly the same from where i sit. you might not believe the same crap, but you behave exactly the same. youll deny it, but other than one is sanctus and one is bear, you and him are pretty much the same to anyone who disagrees with you. course youll call me some more names for saying that.

No I won't...

I'll agree, we're very simular, but I must point out that I avoid the religious spam sanctus posts, until it attacks my religious beliefs.

He is as free to post whatever, whenever, as anyone else, as I do, I take great amounts of heat for what I post, so what, that's what it's all about. But I try not to generalize, nor would I be as presumpuous as to condemn others, with the scorn and venomous tripe, that has flowed from the likes of mary and m_leveque and to some extent yourself. I fight fire with fire. If you can't stand the heat, stop dancing with the devil.
 
westmanguy
#22
22 years all together? Yuck... Typically Canadian Justice. Should have been 25 years each.
 
snfu73
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguyView Post

22 years all together? Yuck... Typically Canadian Justice. Should have been 25 years each.

Typical Canadian Justice??????

I believe this happened in the UK.

And, I would love to see a source link as well...I don't think it is very unreasonable to ask for a source. Anyone can bring in an article and change to their liking. A source link shows that the article has not been altered in anyway.
 
westmanguy
#24
I never brought up an article.
Its just to me Canada is typically, lenient with sentencing with our criminals. The system caters to the criminals, not the victims, when it should be objective.
 
snfu73
#25
I don't know...I mean, you aren't the first person to express that. I am pleased with our justice system. I think too many people aren't looking for justice, they are looking for heads to roll...revenge...not justice...and I think our system offers justice...not revenge. I think it serves society well. I think if it were up to most victims, sure, they would love to see the perpetrator of a crime thrown in jail and have the key tossed away...and that's why they don't have the power to decide. I don't think the system is lenient. I think the system needs some work...I think more money and more resources for councilling, psychiatric services, and transition programs is important. I think that humans make mistakes. I think that some people will learn from those mistakes. Others will not, and will end up spending much of their lives institutionalized. I think the whole system is very complicated, and there are no black and white answers on how to completely prevent crime or reoffending. But, overall, I think that the system we have in place is an all around decent system.
 
snfu73
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguyView Post

I never brought up an article.
Its just to me Canada is typically, lenient with sentencing with our criminals. The system caters to the criminals, not the victims, when it should be objective.

No, I know you didn't bring up an article...the last statement was for the original poster, and in defence of the person who asked for a source link but was slammed.
 
westmanguy
#27
I am talking about the punishment fitting the crime.

There was a couple that drugged, raped, kidnapped, and threatned girls in a Winnipeg neighbourhood.

These 2 were sentenced to 2 years prison. But since they were in custody for 1 year leading to trial, they got 1 year in prison each.

Does that fit the crime? Does it?

You don't call that lenient?

Many Canadians are unpleased with the current state of the system.
 
snfu73
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguyView Post

I am talking about the punishment fitting the crime.

There was a couple that drugged, raped, kidnapped, and threatned girls in a Winnipeg neighbourhood.

These 2 were sentenced to 2 years prison. But since they were in custody for 1 year leading to trial, they got 1 year in prison each.

Does that fit the crime? Does it?

You don't call that lenient?

Many Canadians are unpleased with the current state of the system.

I'm not saying that there are Canadians that are unpleased with the system. There are. I know they are.

I don't know the specifics of that case. I can't really comment. What WOULD the appropriate sentence be? What were the reasons behind the sentence that was given? You have just given me a very brief summary. Trials have hours and hours of testimony. There may be a very good reason that the sentence given was given. I don't know.
 
selfactivated
#29
If I may interject here gentlemen, as a survivor of abuse in my humble opinion I see child abuse likened to murder and should be punishable as such. When you abuse a child like that you kill their spirit and murder their childhood. Just my opinion.
 
snfu73
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

If I may interject here gentlemen, as a survivor of abuse in my humble opinion I see child abuse likened to murder and should be punishable as such. When you abuse a child like that you kill their spirit and murder their childhood. Just my opinion.

Oh, please don't get me wrong...I am not defending the actions of the people involved. I'm not saying what has happened is in any way okay.
 

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