Day of Infamy

[#juan]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 - a day of infamy [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Gabriele Zamparini, The cat's dream[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 will be remembered as a day of infamy. In violation of international law and human decency, the quisling government of occupied Iraq, a puppet, sectarian regime installed by the American occupation and supported by Iran, assassinated the legitimate President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. It’s been reported that after his execution the assassins shouted: "Long live Muqtada, Long live Muqtada" [Moqtada Al-Sadr] It’s also been reported that Saddam Hussein was tortured before his execution and his body was mutilated afterwards. Another source tells us: "The video shows no blood on Saddam’s face and body, TV aired video of the body showed blood, cuts and bruises on the face." (...) After the initial silence on the real scale of the horror in Iraq, when the Iraq Body Count figures were used even by the antiwar movement in spite the apocalypse was already known and after the ongoing silence on the responsibility of the sectarian militias in mass murdering and ethnic cleansing, this other silence on the lynching of Saddam Hussein raises once again fundamental questions on the role of the Western left and the anti-war movement and forces each of us to an unpleasant but honest and necessary reflection. If a better world is possible, it starts at home.....

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[Sassylassie]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 - a day of infamy [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Gabriele Zamparini, The cat's dream[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 will be remembered as a day of infamy. In violation of international law and human decency, the quisling government of occupied Iraq, a puppet, sectarian regime installed by the American occupation and supported by Iran, assassinated the legitimate President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. It’s been reported that after his execution the assassins shouted: "Long live Muqtada, Long live Muqtada" [Moqtada Al-Sadr] It’s also been reported that Saddam Hussein was tortured before his execution and his body was mutilated afterwards. Another source tells us: "The video shows no blood on Saddam’s face and body, TV aired video of the body showed blood, cuts and bruises on the face." (...) After the initial silence on the real scale of the horror in Iraq, when the Iraq Body Count figures were used even by the antiwar movement in spite the apocalypse was already known and after the ongoing silence on the responsibility of the sectarian militias in mass murdering and ethnic cleansing, this other silence on the lynching of Saddam Hussein raises once again fundamental questions on the role of the Western left and the anti-war movement and forces each of us to an unpleasant but honest and necessary reflection. If a better world is possible, it starts at home.....[/FONT]

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The devil is dead, may his soul burn in everlasting hell. Should Bush of invaded Iraq, most likely NO but hindsight is called hindsight for a reason. Comparing Bush to Saddam is streaching the boundries of the Anti-US posters. This man tortured men woman and children he created a country devoted to his image. He gased those he preceived as his enemy, we will never know all the evil deeds of this man. China is supporting a puppet regime as evil as Saddam was in the Sudan where's the world outrage and hatred towards China? It's all about oil in Somalia, why the silence from the anti-US posters. France just bombed the ****e out of Somalia, and I've read articles that blame Bush and the US it's time for all posters to stop this Raging Hatred of America if Canada ever needs big brother I wouldn't blame the US if we were told to kiss her bum.

 

[#juan]

Far be it from me to try to defend Saddam Sassy. I think the point of this little article is that the reasons for the illegal invasion of Iraq by the U.S. and the coaltion of the cowed, had no basis in fact. There was no threat to the U.S. or Britain that warranted blowing the country to rat$hit. There are at least a half dozen other Arab countries with leaders who are probably as bad as Saddam Hussein. The so-called Saudi royal family beheads a couple dozen people every month and God only knows how many people just disappear. Should we not also be holding these regimes up to the light? Saddam's trial and execution was a complete farce....a lot like the invasion of Iraq in the first place. Was it worth a million Iraqi deaths to get rid of Saddam? I don't think it was. American type democracy? Who asked for it? In any case, that democracy will not be coming any time soon. The real costs to America for their meddling in Iraq are just beginning to show. It will get a lot worse.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Gotta agree Juan, and who exactly says the "American" model is in any way better anyway?.

There are far worse dictators in the world than Saddam, so why exactly did they pick on him?......

Doesn't make sense when you consider Iran are very happy about this result. Nope, it's a joke to suggest that this was in any way good winning over bad, I have friends who are iraqi, no, they are against Saddam, but come on, this one stinks.

Daz

 

[#juan]

Just a small point Daz

It just might have legitimized the stupid war if Saddam had been made to stand before the World Court in Belgium . The problem was that Bush pulled out of that Court several years ago and it might have been embarrassing if Saddam had explained some of his dealings with the U.S. in front of a world audience. No?

 

[Daz_Hockey]

He had massive dealings with Bush and Thatcher. I cannot believe anyone can be stupid enough to think this was a good thing. Perhaps "stupid" is a harsh word, but come on.....Get real, Saddam posed as much threat to the US as my smelly socks. And when exactly has the US, or any country gone to war for humanitarian reasons and not self-preservation?.

Not the US for sure, I think a certain Canadian Nato General can testify to that one.

 

[Zzarchov]

So what your saying Juan, is that its ok to topple Iraq.

But no one should have done it without fixing the whole world at once? He's dead , big deal and whether or not he's the worst doesn't matter.

 

[#juan]

So what your saying Juan, is that its ok to topple Iraq.

But no one should have done it without fixing the whole world at once? He's dead , big deal and whether or not he's the worst doesn't matter.

Not at all. Do you think it was worth killing a million Iraqis to depose Saddam? I doubt if any Iraqis think it was worth it either. Yeah saddam is dead.....Who did it help? Certainly not the million or so dead Iraqis. I wonder if oil was involved.........

 

[I think not]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 - a day of infamy [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Gabriele Zamparini, The cat's dream[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]30 December 2006 will be remembered as a day of infamy. In violation of international law and human decency, the quisling government of occupied Iraq, a puppet, sectarian regime installed by the American occupation and supported by Iran, assassinated the legitimate President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein.[/FONT]

That was enough for me to stop reading.

 

[#juan]

That was enough for me to stop reading.

So, ITN thinks the illegal invasion of Iraq and the killing of over a million Iraqis by bombing or brutal sanctions was completely okay, and that the lynching of saddam Hussein by the puppet government that the U.S. military has installed, was fine too. These latest puppets were installed much like the U.S. helped to install Saddam Hussein years earlier. No matter how many gingoes they invent, like, "Operation Iraq Freedom", it was still an illegal invasion and a lynching. Funny how the world never heard Saddam Hussein's story about his dealings with the U.S, but that would have been an embarrassment, wouldn't it?

 

[missile]

Don't let those rightwingers beat you done,Juan. As I agree with your comments 100%, my position is that we are among the enlightened and not the propogandized. There is some video of Saddam taken under the scaffold and it shows just how barbaric hanging really is.

 

[jimmoyer]

Oy veh....

arrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhh.

(shaking head)

 

[I think not]

So, ITN thinks the illegal invasion of Iraq and the killing of over a million Iraqis by bombing or brutal sanctions was completely okay, and that the lynching of saddam Hussein by the puppet government that the U.S. military has installed, was fine too. These latest puppets were installed much like the U.S. helped to install Saddam Hussein years earlier. No matter how many gingoes they invent, like, "Operation Iraq Freedom", it was still an illegal invasion and a lynching. Funny how the world never heard Saddam Hussein's story about his dealings with the U.S, but that would have been an embarrassment, wouldn't it?

It'll be a cold day in hell before you develop enough grey matter between your ears to comprehend how i THINK, let alone you telling me what I think.

The so called puppet government you and your ilk spew has been endorsed by your benevolent United Nations. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

Your constant reference to the Iraq invasion as illegal, literally turns my stomach, because you repeat what you are dictated. The fact Canada participated in the Serbian war rolls right over your Liberal head. If Iraq is illegal, then so was Serbia. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

Saddam's dealings with the US? Check your sources, you'll find the US had minimal participation in the weapons buildup of Iraq. Funny how most countries that armed Iraq had socialist governments. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

International court? The International Court has no jurisdiction in Iraq, Iraq never signed on the dotted line. Yet the leftists are screaming for International court intervention. An illegal act. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

I am aching to find something original coming out of you. I'm sure it will be a long wait.

 

[jimmoyer]

Good points ITN.

It's fascinating how both sides think the other is brainwashed.

 

[L Gilbert]

Good points ITN.

It's fascinating how both sides think the other is brainwashed.

Yup. Hypocracy and idiocy are rampant.

 

[#juan]

It'll be a cold day in hell before you develop enough grey matter between your ears to comprehend how i THINK, let alone you telling me what I think.

When you haven't got an argument, resort to personal insults

The so called puppet government you and your ilk spew has been endorsed by your benevolent United Nations. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

I called it a puppet government because that is what it is

Your constant reference to the Iraq invasion as illegal, literally turns my stomach, because you repeat what you are dictated. The fact Canada participated in the Serbian war rolls right over your Liberal head. If Iraq is illegal, then so was Serbia. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

If the Iraq invasion wasn't illegal, why was it neccesary to put out all the BS about weapons of mass destruction, or whine about how Iraq was such a threat to botb the U.S. and Britain?

Saddam's dealings with the US? Check your sources, you'll find the US had minimal participation in the weapons buildup of Iraq. Funny how most countries that armed Iraq had socialist governments. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

The U.S. role in arming and assisting Iraq in their war against Iran are well documented.

International court? The International Court has no jurisdiction in Iraq, Iraq never signed on the dotted line. Yet the leftists are screaming for International court intervention. An illegal act. But to mention that would be an embarassment, wouldn't it?

An international court might have lent respectability to that mess but then all the dirty laundry would have been made public.

I am aching to find something original coming out of you. I'm sure it will be a long wait.

Objecting to the Iraq invasion could hardly be original....most of the world objected to that invasion.

 

[wallyj]

What is the difference between a legal war and an illegal war? The U.S. went into Iraq because saddam would not let the weapons inspectors inspect for weapons as agreed upon to stop the first gulf war. BTW,was that legal or illegal? Please,do not call the invasion of Kuwait an attempt by saddam to annex Kuwait as I have heard mentioned a few times on cbc.

 

[#juan]

What is the difference between a legal war and an illegal war? The U.S. went into Iraq because saddam would not let the weapons inspectors inspect for weapons as agreed upon to stop the first gulf war. BTW,was that legal or illegal? Please,do not call the invasion of Kuwait an attempt by saddam to annex Kuwait as I have heard mentioned a few times on cbc.

Absolute nonsense. The inspectors were doing fine. Saddam had already complied. There were no weapons of mass destruction. This should be obvious by now to anyone who reads the news. The inspectors were ordered out by the U.S. so they could get the invasion started. Read what Scott Ritter(an American, and chief weapons inspector for the UN) says about this subject.

 

[CDNBear]

Absolute nonsense. The inspectors were doing fine. Saddam had already complied. There were no weapons of mass destruction. This should be obvious by now to anyone who reads the news. The inspectors were ordered out by the U.S. so they could get the invasion started. Read what Scott Ritter(an American, and chief weapons inspector for the UN) says about this subject.

Gotta link?

 

[wallyj]

I remember the UN caravans being sent across the country on wild goose chases. I remember saddam denying them access to sites where they wanted to look and telling them where to look. This is akin to telling the cop at your door with a search warrant that they can look anywhere but the basement. The real world doesn't work that way.I also remember some fellow named Hans Brilx (sp) as the chief UN inspector. Yes,the U.S. told them to get out because they were coming in,of course, that is what the good guys do.