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Day of Infamy

Day of Infamy

CDNBear

#91

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

I will not argue over the US involvement with Saddam, I believe it to be true, although, most of what you posted is conjecture and allegations, with some facts mixed in for entertainment value, I guess.

But even if we take it at face value, it all seems pretty stragically benefitial to me.

Just as strategic as invading Iraq and removing Saddam from power and gaining control of Iraqs oil.

All strategic moves, by your measure.

It seems that if we observe events from your perspective, violating international law is acceptable, when it is of strategic importance.

Any Comments?

Last edited by CDNBear; Jan 15th, 2007 at 11:14 AM..

MikeyDB

#92

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Juan

Stop making this stuff up!

Curiosity Eaglefart and ITN will have you in front of one of Bush's military tribunals as a terrorist...."Ifn ur not with us ure agin us..." remember...

MikeyDB

#93

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Bear

When Israel and the United States break international law...that's OK?

Do you really think the U.S. who used chemical warfare in VietNam, who use depleted uranium in their ordinance and who failed to sign on to the ICJ really give a shyte about "international law"...

Shake ur head dude your eyes are stuck...

CDNBear

#94

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB

Bear

When Israel and the United States break international law...that's OK?

Do you really think the U.S. who used chemical warfare in VietNam, who use depleted uranium in their ordinance and who failed to sign on to the ICJ really give a shyte about "international law"...

Shake ur head dude your eyes are stuck...

To some extent I do feel that circumventing international law is acceptable. I do not however condone the blatant acts as perpatrated by the US nor Israel. Yet I still stand behind Israel, as I see most of their acts as pre-emptive self defence. Where as the US is acting out of corporate greed in most cases.

The invasion of Iraq, in my eyes, was just as illegal as Saddams launching of scuds into Israel. Only because I believe it had little to do with a regime change, but more over a lot to do with a change in corporate agenda in Iraq. If they had just gone in, made a big mess, but had not changed Iraqs laws to open it up to foreign exploitation and only removed Saddam. I might be more inclined to accept their propoganda. But seeing as they waltzed in, created a new set of rules and laws that allowed US exploitation, well you get the picture.

I'm a challenger Mikey, not all laws are created in the right mind set, nor do they all serve the greater good, so from time to time, they must be bent, but for a just cause. In the case of Iraq, I do not feel they meet the burden of proof.

I could quote Cretien her, but I'm not in the mood for a laugh that big, lol.

MikeyDB

#95

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

And launcing a cruise missile strike against the only amoxicillin producing plant in the Sudan was perfetly OK with you?

When we tally the numbers of people killed by the United States and its use of military attacks against anyone it pleases, the sick injured and dying of curable diseases left without a common treatment by the United States never gets factored into that summary...

Why do you supose that might be?

CDNBear

#96

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB

And launcing a cruise missile strike against the only amoxicillin producing plant in the Sudan was perfetly OK with you?

When we tally the numbers of people killed by the United States and its use of military attacks against anyone it pleases, the sick injured and dying of curable diseases left without a common treatment by the United States never gets factored into that summary...

Why do you supose that might be?

Perhaps a combonation of a feeling of helplessness and frustration, in the western populus. Or the misconceptions foisted on westerners by bias media outlets.

I am not some Fox news watcher Mikey, I get a very balanced news input, from various sources and view points. I base my opinions on how I weigh and measure the value of the source. But I do try to give them all a chance.

The event you mention, was tragic. But what exactly were the underlying causes, that drew such an act to fruition?

Is every act, that is seemingly barbaric, a calculated attack on the down trodden?

Or rather knee jerk reactions to events and actions, seen as actions against the interests of the empire. Which I must state, do not always entail corporate greed. Unless I missed some economic benefit in Somolia, that would somehow fatten the pockets of the Oil elitists.

MikeyDB

#97

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

When you hand the lunatic the freedom to launch missiles against anyone he pleases...the world has stood by while the U.S. has behaved in ways that many other nations have been censured for...you don't get justice Bear you get what the investors want...

Last edited by MikeyDB; Jan 15th, 2007 at 12:23 PM..Reason: Left the e off justice

CDNBear

#98

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB

When you hand the lunatic the freedom to launch missiles against anyone he pleases...the world has stood by while the U.S. has behaved in ways that many other nations have been censured for...you don't get justice Bear you get what the investors want...

And I couldn't agree with you more.

But I do feel that the non military and military intervention that the US embraces the world over, via security forces, fincial aid and such, does merit some aplause.

It is always over shadowed by the continuous criminal corporate actions of the perperators of the modern version of the American Manifest Destiny.

darkbeaver

#99

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 15th, 2007

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Perhaps a combonation of a feeling of helplessness and frustration, in the western populus. Or the misconceptions foisted on westerners by bias media outlets.

I am not some Fox news watcher Mikey, I get a very balanced news input, from various sources and view points. I base my opinions on how I weigh and measure the value of the source. But I do try to give them all a chance.

The event you mention, was tragic. But what exactly were the underlying causes, that drew such an act to fruition?

Is every act, that is seemingly barbaric, a calculated attack on the down trodden?

Or rather knee jerk reactions to events and actions, seen as actions against the interests of the empire. Which I must state, do not always entail corporate greed. Unless I missed some economic benefit in Somolia, that would somehow fatten the pockets of the Oil elitists.

Somolia has oil.

RomSpaceKnight

#100

Re: Day of Infamy

Jan 16th, 2007

I think the reason the yanks went in to Iraq was because Afghanistan is to far away from the action. The 9-11 terrorists were Saudi and Yemenis I think. Not Iranian or Pakistani. With Iraq a total ****hole any dirt poor wannabe terrorist can make it to Iraq. Where he will be fed in to the killing machine set up by the US. US soldiers and Iraqi civilians are dying, yes. But the kill ration between US troops and Insurgents is 100-1. All of Al-Qeadas resources are being funneled in to Iraq not in to the west to attack US targets. So a few Iraqis civilians die as long as American civilians are not dying who cares, just a bunch of bleeding hearts and some foreigners. Oil is perk not a reason for going in to Iraq. Sadam hated the fundamentalists. Syria's goverment killed 20,000 Islamic brotherhood members. Egypt has banned them as political party. The Saudis have their own version of Islam to promote. Iran is Shiite and at odds with most of the Islamic world. Osama did not get support from Iran. Only the goverment of a backward arsed country like todays Afghanistan would support him. Mind you he did do good deeds in helping them get rid of the Soviets. Afghanmistan broke the Soviets image of invulnerbility and cost them huge in terms of popular support. Maybe we should thank Osama for helping cause the collapse of the USSR.