School shooting in Montreal not terror.

I avoided Canadian news stations since this happened. Sure enough I turn on the local news this morning and the exploition of this tragedy for all it's worth has begun. 'Experts' popping out of the woodwork and an industry growing like dung-happy mushrooms smothering rational thought. This tragedy will be milked by every special interest group to push their agenda. The news media is gleeful and salivates at the thought of actually having a story to exploit to fill some of its 24 hour, 7 days a week anemic all news networks.

I avoided Canadian news stations since this happened. Sure enough I turn on the local news this morning and the exploition of this tragedy for all it's worth has begun. 'Experts' popping out of the woodwork and an industry growing like dung-happy mushrooms smothering rational thought. This tragedy will be milked by every special interest group to push their agenda. The news media is gleeful and salivates at the thought of actually having a story to exploit to fill some of its 24 hour, 7 days a week anemic all news networks.

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First of all, there is NO indication yet whether the firearm used in Montreal was illegal or not.

gee

what are the chances that guy's Beretta had only five rounds in the clip?

Gun store? Or mabey he bought it off someone who had it, or went and bought it off the shelf at KMart in the US. Lucky for him it wasn't a protective weapon, we're not allowed protective weapons.

Killer loved guns, hated people
Web diary on Goths website, photos show insight
Sep. 14, 2006. 05:43 AM
PHINJO GOMBU
STAFF REPORTER


The last online posting by Kimveer Gill on a website that is a popular gathering place for Goths is eerily time-stamped 10:41 a.m. yesterday — about two hours before Gill was shot dead by Montreal police officers at Dawson College.

In it, Gill describes little of how the events of the day are going to unfold — instead focusing on how whiskey tastes so good in the morning. There's a throwaway footnote that when he calls people "niggahs" in my journals ... it doesn't have to do anything with their skin colour.

"I call white people niggahs too, it's just fun," he writes.

But in a detailed user profile, asked how he wants to die, he wrote in prescient foreshadowing of yesterday's bloody events in Montreal: "Like Romeo and Juliet — or in a hail of gunfire."

The website --, which the Star found last night, reveals Gill as a lonely, conflicted, self-described 25-year-old Goth freak from Montreal who hated authority figures like police, principals and teachers and singled out "jocks" for high school bullying.

On the website's welcoming home page is a picture of the Laval resident, his eyes, shaded by his hands, staring intently into the camera.

Other pictures on another website show him wearing a black trench coat, holding a semi-automatic rifle with the caption "Ready for action," beneath it.

Other online postings showed that Gill, who described Natural Born Killers, as his favourite movie, was a fan of the Tec-9 semi-automatic handgun, lamenting that it was not legal in Canada.

Writing in the third person, Gill described himself to fellow Goths as someone "you will come to know as Trench," a chilling reference that was cited again and again by witnesses who described the man that shot at them yesterday.

"He is male. He is 25 years of age. He lives in Quebec. He finds that it is an okay place to live. He is not a people person. He has met a handful of people in his life who are decent.

But he finds the vast majority to be worthless, no good, conniving, betraying, lieing (sic), deceptive, mother-------.

"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say?

"Metal and Goth kick ass. Life is a video game, you've got to die sometime.''

A cached version of the webpage shows a tombstone with the name "Kimveer'' on it.

Below his name is the epitaph that goes: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse.''

In a detailed user profile that usually accompanies the web pages of various members, Gill revealed that he was born on July 9, 1981 in Montreal of Indian heritage with a weakness for laziness and a fear of nothing.

His goal for this year was to stay alive with a self-deprecating dig at his most overused phrase on instant messenger being "Heavy Metal Rulez."

He said he goes to bed whenever he's tired and his first thought upon waking is that he's tired, although he doesn't care much for coffee.

He wrote that he misses being young, hadn't gone out for a date in a month, wore combat boots that day and loved being covered in black clothing.

Gill's web handle, or the name by which he was known to other users of the website, is Fatality666.

A quick perusal of Gill's online diary shows that just hours before he posted his final entry, he was revealing very little of what he was going to be doing within the next hours to come.

At 3.33 a.m., he writes: "As you can tell, I got nothing of importrance (sic) to write about today. Poor me."

And then he goes on to describe his mundane pleasures such as eating freezies and flirting with girls — asking them if they are feeling down and want to play with him.

He expresses frustration at having to wait for his contact lenses to dry.

On Tuesday, a day earlier, at 5 a.m. Gill launched a tirade against authority figures.

"It's not only the bullies fault, but the principal's fault for turning a blind eye ... it's the police's fault for not doing anything when people complain (ooooops) my mistake, the cops are corrupt sons of *****s, so it's not like they can do anything about it. F--- the police.

Gill then added that he was disgusted at society, which allowed people to behave like "assholes" to each other.

"Society disgusts me," he wrote.

Clearly Gill wasn't getting much sleep because only four hours earlier at 12.56 a.m., he posted the stark message: "F--- people, F--- Life."

His blog also reveals that Gill was a fan of the video game series Postal, a controversial and violent program in which the goal is to endure slights and insults without going beserk.

Richardson family murders
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This image of Jasmine Richardson was originally released to the media on April 23 when the police were looking for her, but she was not an official suspect, but was suppressed on April 24 when she became a suspect (and was arrested).The Richardson family murders involved the murder of three members of the family in Medicine Hat, Alberta.[1] The bodies of Marc Richardson (age 42), his wife Debra (age 4, and their son Jacob (age were found by a friend of Jacob on April 23, 2006 at 1 p.m.[2][3][4] Absent from the home at the time of the discovery was Jasmine Richardson,[2][1] the couple's 12[5] year old daughter (early news reports said she was 13[2]). Jasmine was arrested the next day in the nearby community of Leader, Saskatchewan with her 23 year-old boyfriend Jeremy Allan Steinke, both charged with the three murders. [5][6] Later, on May 3, 2006, Kacy Lancaster was charged with being an accessory after the fact. She is accused of disposing of evidence[7].
Under the Youth Criminal Justice Act the name of Jasmine Richardson could no longer be published in Canada, after she became a suspect. However, by the time of her arrest, her name had already been...

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Why would anyone have a weapon such as this guy had ....

It isn't a hunting rifle, or a small arms protective weapon - it's a killing machine for groups of people at one event.

Where would he get this kind of gun?

Now the real foolishness starts.

As I guessed, Gill's weapons were all legal, and registered.

He had jumped through all the hoops, and, believe me, they are numerous.
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Now the real foolishness starts.

As I guessed, Gill's weapons were all legal, and registered.

He had jumped through all the hoops, and, believe me, they are numerous.
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He jumped through all the hoops and it didn't stop him (if it's true his were legal guns), but does that mean that those hoops haven't stopped anyone else?

Good points about the website. Certainly if a person's blogs express violent ideas, it ought to be perfectly legal for the police to get an expert to read the blog and make a risk assessment. If that person is in fact deemed dangerous in the end, then certainly it ought to be permissible for society to force him into therapy, even against his will. And if necessary, confine him to hospital if the risk assessment is that bad, with his release guaranteed once he's deemed fit to go back to society, with necessary support provided to help him reintegrate.
This might not sound very democratic, or even against human rights. But if the person expresses such violent ideas, then society has a duty to help him. And if he's deemed not capable of acting rationally on his own, then society ought to reserve the right to make his decisions for him, with force if need be, until he's deemed capable of acting rationally again. this would not be intended to punish him, but merely to help him... and potentially save other's lives as well. In this way, all lives, including his own, could have been saved and he could ahve become a contributing member of society.
As for weapons, why should he have had the right to possess such without valid reason? It's not like he lived thousands of miles away from civiliation and needed them for hunting purposes now, is it?

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Good point about the gun.

I can really see only a few situations in which a person should be allowed to carry arms:

1. A hunter who relies on a rifle for subsistence. Then all he needs is a hunting rifle.
2. A member of a rifle club, in which case there's no reason for him to take the rifle away from the club's premises.
3. Law enforcement.
4. Military.

5. Anyone else? I really can't think of any other valid reason beyond those four above, but you can go ahead and give it a try.

Good point about the gun.

I can really see only a few situations in which a person should be allowed to carry arms:

1. A hunter who relies on a rifle for subsistence. Then all he needs is a hunting rifle.
2. A member of a rifle club, in which case there's no reason for him to take the rifle away from the club's premises.
3. Law enforcement.
4. Military.

5. Anyone else? I really can't think of any other valid reason beyond those four above, but you can go ahead and give it a try.

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Good point about the gun.

I can really see only a few situations in which a person should be allowed to carry arms:

1. A hunter who relies on a rifle for subsistence. Then all he needs is a hunting rifle.
2. A member of a rifle club, in which case there's no reason for him to take the rifle away from the club's premises.
3. Law enforcement.
4. Military.

5. Anyone else? I really can't think of any other valid reason beyond those four above, but you can go ahead and give it a try.

5. private collection
6. other employment besides law enforcement or military or security requiring a firearm for protection (ex. armored truck driver).

Now the real foolishness starts.

As I guessed, Gill's weapons were all legal, and registered.

He had jumped through all the hoops, and, believe me, they are numerous.

He had a Beretta Storm carbine (caliber not specified, but 9mm, .40 or .45 all about the same lethality), a Glock pistol in .45 ACP, and a shotgun.

I was wrong about the .22 rimfire, I am honestly surprized at the survival rate of the wounded.

Anyway, the idiots are already out in force, including Jean Charest, calling for the Conservatives NOT to dump the gun registry...........

Has it not occured to these people that the 2 BILLION bucks spent on that fiasco saved NO ONE?

This guys guns were REGISTERED!! What difference did that make? None.

Enough to drive a logical man mad.

Quebec teen arrested for alleged Internet threats
Updated Mon. Sep. 18 2006 11:29 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Quebec provincial police arrested a 15-year-old boy early this morning for allegedly making threats over the Internet against fellow students at a Montreal-area high school.

The teen allegedly used the website vampirefreaks.com -- the same site Kimveer Gill used before his shooting rampage at Dawson College last week.

The boy, a Westwood high school student in Hudson, Que., is still being interviewed by police.

"As far as we're concerned we're going to be looking through his house, looking for firearms or if he had access to them," Quebec provincial police spokesperson Jayson Gauthier told CTV Newsnet.

"We're also going to be seizing any materials," including software and Internet files, that may shed light on whether he wanted to act out on his school, or if it was a sick joke.

Gauthier said police became aware of the threats because of help from the public.

"Yesterday, several phone calls came in on the tip line, telling us that we should look at this individual closely," Gauthier said.

He said police didn't want to take any chances of a copycat incident from happening, so "therefore we proceeded with an arrest."

Police officers went to the boy's school Monday morning to reassure students and parents.

He was arrested at his home in Saint-Clet, just southwest of Montreal.

Gauthier did not reveal what the boy wrote or whether he had access to weapons.

"But nonetheless, we've seen on that site and other sites where people are posting best wishes for (Gill), saying that this person, this individual was a hero," he said.

"There's no other way to treat this but to take it very seriously."

While police are doing their best to track Internet threats, added Gauthier, he said they will continue to need help from the public.

"We can't police all the sites, and we're going to need the public's help to crack down on these individuals."