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September 9th, 2006, 07:38 PM
I never heard of this Bobby Shred character but you can see how he readily quotes developer Donald Trump who stands to make multiples of millions from the deal. Note how he does not make any reference to the will of the average working man or woman in NYC.
I never heard of this Bobby Shred character but you can see how he readily quotes developer Donald Trump who stands to make multiples of millions from the deal. Note how he does not make any reference to the will of the average working man or woman in NYC.
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September 9th, 2006, 07:54 PM
This rest of the country never gave a rats ass about New York, all of sudden you all woke up? Screw you.
And what wealthy elites idiot? You haven't the slightest CLUE who builds these type of buildings in New York, not a SINGLE CLUE. Get one, before you spew your nonsense.
And I don't care what your polls say, we want them up, those who don't should attend meetings like the rest of us, otherwise zip it and move along. Sitting behind a monitor telling US what to do is typical backseat bull****. The footprints are not being built on, museums, transit hubs, underground railways and parks are being built around it.
We want our skyline back.
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I find your comments exceptionally rude, misguided and arrogant. For those of YOU who lost friends etc...? What makes you think YOU only lost friends etc... And what gives you the impression because YOU lost someone your voice is louder than someone elses? The city belongs to 8 million people.
"This about NYC and what the people want. And we want it"
Folks in NYC are highly divided over the new buildings for the reason I listed above. Of course, the wealthy elites who will profit from the new construction gladly applaud the effort which isn't being paid by them and will lead to more $$$ in their pockets. As always, they will get their way. But as for those of us who lost friends, co-workers, or family members, our voices will be ignored.
Folks in NYC are highly divided over the new buildings for the reason I listed above. Of course, the wealthy elites who will profit from the new construction gladly applaud the effort which isn't being paid by them and will lead to more $$$ in their pockets. As always, they will get their way. But as for those of us who lost friends, co-workers, or family members, our voices will be ignored.
This rest of the country never gave a rats ass about New York, all of sudden you all woke up? Screw you.
And what wealthy elites idiot? You haven't the slightest CLUE who builds these type of buildings in New York, not a SINGLE CLUE. Get one, before you spew your nonsense.
And I don't care what your polls say, we want them up, those who don't should attend meetings like the rest of us, otherwise zip it and move along. Sitting behind a monitor telling US what to do is typical backseat bull****. The footprints are not being built on, museums, transit hubs, underground railways and parks are being built around it.
We want our skyline back.
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September 9th, 2006, 09:17 PM
"I find your comments exceptionally rude, misguided and arrogant."
My comments are nowhere as surly and immature as yours. I remind you that personal attacks are prohibited in this forum.
I lived in NYC for 35 years and know of its politics and economics. And as you can see from my link to the Quinnipiac poll, the majority do not approve of the effort to generate money for those elites who stand to profit from that construction.
See for yourself.
"I find your comments exceptionally rude, misguided and arrogant."
My comments are nowhere as surly and immature as yours. I remind you that personal attacks are prohibited in this forum.
I lived in NYC for 35 years and know of its politics and economics. And as you can see from my link to the Quinnipiac poll, the majority do not approve of the effort to generate money for those elites who stand to profit from that construction.
See for yourself.
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September 9th, 2006, 09:35 PM
If you have a bug who makes a profit thats your problem, and not your taxes. We've decided. Carry on.
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If you lived in NYC for 35 years then you should know better, then again, maybe you have forgotten. Quinnipiac can shove their poll, they should have polled the thousands attending the meetings to decide what's going to happen for the last several years. Backseat opinion are not welcomed.
"I find your comments exceptionally rude, misguided and arrogant."
My comments are nowhere as surly and immature as yours. I remind you that personal attacks are prohibited in this forum.
I lived in NYC for 35 years and know of its politics and economics. And as you can see from my link to the Quinnipiac poll, the majority do not approve of the effort to generate money for those elites who stand to profit from that construction.
See for yourself.
My comments are nowhere as surly and immature as yours. I remind you that personal attacks are prohibited in this forum.
I lived in NYC for 35 years and know of its politics and economics. And as you can see from my link to the Quinnipiac poll, the majority do not approve of the effort to generate money for those elites who stand to profit from that construction.
See for yourself.
If you have a bug who makes a profit thats your problem, and not your taxes. We've decided. Carry on.
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September 9th, 2006, 09:42 PM
And who the hell is "we"?
Obviously you are making money out of the deal and that's what motivating your hostile comments.
This is supposed to be a democracy where the majority rule. And the majority of NYC people say "no" to your profiteering.
And who the hell is "we"?
Obviously you are making money out of the deal and that's what motivating your hostile comments.
This is supposed to be a democracy where the majority rule. And the majority of NYC people say "no" to your profiteering.
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September 9th, 2006, 10:04 PM
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/05.28G.nu.towers.htm
This is the last one I'm posting. The truth about polls is that you can find one proving every side. Including the same poll.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/05.28G.nu.towers.htm
Quote:
[G]iven a chance to tell the people who will oversee the rebuilding of Lower Manhattan what they want to see there, hundreds of New Yorkers and others responded on Thursday with a surprising answer: rebuild the twin towers.
"Please do not diminish the memory of all of the people who died there by building 50-, 60-, or 70-story mediocre buildings on the site," said Jonathan Hakala, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who worked on the 77th floor of 1 World Trade Center, at a public hearing sponsored by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
Citing a Quinnipiac University poll in February showing that three out of four New Yorkers favored rebuilding on the site, Mr. Hakala said, "If you're going to put buildings on that site, build one of the seven modern wonders of the world, and please give us a skyline that will once again cause our spirits to soar."
"Please do not diminish the memory of all of the people who died there by building 50-, 60-, or 70-story mediocre buildings on the site," said Jonathan Hakala, a Hoboken, N.J., resident who worked on the 77th floor of 1 World Trade Center, at a public hearing sponsored by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
Citing a Quinnipiac University poll in February showing that three out of four New Yorkers favored rebuilding on the site, Mr. Hakala said, "If you're going to put buildings on that site, build one of the seven modern wonders of the world, and please give us a skyline that will once again cause our spirits to soar."
This is the last one I'm posting. The truth about polls is that you can find one proving every side. Including the same poll.
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September 9th, 2006, 10:43 PM
It's always possible. But more likely, folks in NYC will get tired of paying for the new Yankee Stadium, Shea Stadium, a new Madison Square Garden, and the new Towers while schools are being under funded and the drop out rate for schools increase. This is of far greater concern to the people there and that's what friends and relations have told me.
It's always possible. But more likely, folks in NYC will get tired of paying for the new Yankee Stadium, Shea Stadium, a new Madison Square Garden, and the new Towers while schools are being under funded and the drop out rate for schools increase. This is of far greater concern to the people there and that's what friends and relations have told me.
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September 9th, 2006, 10:52 PM
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That may be the case to some, but to me it's just another building the the government won't stop the terrorist from blowing up again or even the government blowing up themselves *shrugs* If it's really about moving on then they should move on and not talk about 9/11 anymore, but they won't. They want people to remember it every single year, just like WWII.
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It's about moving on.
In my own opinion I think they should keep ground zero exactly how it is right now and not build anything on it. They'll build it just to have the terrorist find a way to destroy this new building as well.
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September 10th, 2006, 02:38 AM
Plan.
http://source.nycsca.org/pdf/may06plan-amendment.pdf
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The Department of Education's Five-Year Capital Plan of $13.1 billion for Fiscal Years 2005-2009, approved by the City Council in June 2004, became effective for the Fiscal Year that began on July 1, 2004. The Department promised to issue annual Plan Amendments providing more details on the individual projects for the upcoming years and updating the
It's always possible. But more likely, folks in NYC will get tired of paying for the new Yankee Stadium, Shea Stadium, a new Madison Square Garden, and the new Towers while schools are being under funded and the drop out rate for schools increase. This is of far greater concern to the people there and that's what friends and relations have told me.
Plan.
http://source.nycsca.org/pdf/may06plan-amendment.pdf
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September 10th, 2006, 02:38 AM
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You just make things up as you go along don't you?
And who the hell is "we"?
Obviously you are making money out of the deal and that's what motivating your hostile comments.
This is supposed to be a democracy where the majority rule. And the majority of NYC people say "no" to your profiteering.
Obviously you are making money out of the deal and that's what motivating your hostile comments.
This is supposed to be a democracy where the majority rule. And the majority of NYC people say "no" to your profiteering.
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September 10th, 2006, 08:36 AM
For the delusionals who think that I'm making things up, consider the following from NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5784992
Plans for WTC Memorial Dogged by Controversy
by Laura Sydell
Audio for this story will be available at approx. 1:00 p.m. ET
Weekend Edition Sunday, September 10, 2006 · Almost immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, makeshift memorials began to appear not only in New York City but around the country. Five years later, no official memorial has been erected at ground zero, where the World Trade Center was destroyed. On any given day, the gray pit is visited by thousands of tourists from all over the world.
A design by Michael Arad and Peter Walker was chosen almost two years ago, meant to take up six of the 16 acres at ground zero. But there have been constant struggles over many of the aspects of the project, such as how to list names of those who died. Edie Lutnick, who lost her brother in the attacks and runs the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, is one of many with an opinion.
"Cantor Fitzgerald was above where the planes hit. As a result, we lost 658 people, and all of those people died together. To list the names randomly is to deny these families the ability to have their loved ones listed with their colleagues," Lutnick says.
Deborah Burlingame, whose husband was a pilot on American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, is on the board of World Trade Center Memorial Foundation. She notes that part of what makes the site so difficult is that, for many, ground zero is a graveyard.
Burlingame says that being able to get some of her brother's remains back for burial was crucial to her. "It meant all the difference in the world to us, and so my heart breaks for these families."
The final resolution many of the issues rests with New York Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a potential complicating factor. Politicians often have their own agenda when making decisions about memorials, according to Edward Linenthal, a professor of American history at Indiana University.
Linenthal, who has written about the building of a memorial for the victims of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, says the director of the city's taskforce pushed to keep politicians out.
"Robert Johnson had politicians sign a document that they were going to stay out of the process," Linenthal says. "I think it was a very, very wise, smart thing to do. You know, memorials are difficult enough without politicians wanting to hang them on their trophy case for election time."
Dr. Grady Bray, a psychologist who specializes in disasters, notes that it's not only politics at play, but also New York's significance.
"This is the financial nerve center of our nation. There are financial pressures that are brought to bear here that are far beyond those that would have been experienced in Oklahoma City itself," Bray says. "The politics are so much different."
So far, disputes about the World Trade Center memorial range from costs to security to what kind of museum the spot should host.
While the memorial is scheduled to open in the fall of 2009, ongoing struggles over its design seem likely.
Still, there is a strong feeling that the memorial, called Reflecting Absence, will provide a place for healing. At its core are two pools of water with waterfalls running down the sides. The pools are in the exact spot of the footprints of the Twin Towers.
That void where the towers once stood is meant to be a place that visitors can fill with their thoughts, and reflect on what America lost that day.
Everyone agress that some form of commemoration is warranted in order to bring about healing. But there is no evidence that the majority want construction that will profit wealthy elitists such as Donald Trump or give politicians something to use in their campaigns.
For the delusionals who think that I'm making things up, consider the following from NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5784992
Plans for WTC Memorial Dogged by Controversy
by Laura Sydell
Audio for this story will be available at approx. 1:00 p.m. ET
Weekend Edition Sunday, September 10, 2006 · Almost immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, makeshift memorials began to appear not only in New York City but around the country. Five years later, no official memorial has been erected at ground zero, where the World Trade Center was destroyed. On any given day, the gray pit is visited by thousands of tourists from all over the world.
A design by Michael Arad and Peter Walker was chosen almost two years ago, meant to take up six of the 16 acres at ground zero. But there have been constant struggles over many of the aspects of the project, such as how to list names of those who died. Edie Lutnick, who lost her brother in the attacks and runs the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, is one of many with an opinion.
"Cantor Fitzgerald was above where the planes hit. As a result, we lost 658 people, and all of those people died together. To list the names randomly is to deny these families the ability to have their loved ones listed with their colleagues," Lutnick says.
Deborah Burlingame, whose husband was a pilot on American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, is on the board of World Trade Center Memorial Foundation. She notes that part of what makes the site so difficult is that, for many, ground zero is a graveyard.
Burlingame says that being able to get some of her brother's remains back for burial was crucial to her. "It meant all the difference in the world to us, and so my heart breaks for these families."
The final resolution many of the issues rests with New York Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a potential complicating factor. Politicians often have their own agenda when making decisions about memorials, according to Edward Linenthal, a professor of American history at Indiana University.
Linenthal, who has written about the building of a memorial for the victims of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, says the director of the city's taskforce pushed to keep politicians out.
"Robert Johnson had politicians sign a document that they were going to stay out of the process," Linenthal says. "I think it was a very, very wise, smart thing to do. You know, memorials are difficult enough without politicians wanting to hang them on their trophy case for election time."
Dr. Grady Bray, a psychologist who specializes in disasters, notes that it's not only politics at play, but also New York's significance.
"This is the financial nerve center of our nation. There are financial pressures that are brought to bear here that are far beyond those that would have been experienced in Oklahoma City itself," Bray says. "The politics are so much different."
So far, disputes about the World Trade Center memorial range from costs to security to what kind of museum the spot should host.
While the memorial is scheduled to open in the fall of 2009, ongoing struggles over its design seem likely.
Still, there is a strong feeling that the memorial, called Reflecting Absence, will provide a place for healing. At its core are two pools of water with waterfalls running down the sides. The pools are in the exact spot of the footprints of the Twin Towers.
That void where the towers once stood is meant to be a place that visitors can fill with their thoughts, and reflect on what America lost that day.
Everyone agress that some form of commemoration is warranted in order to bring about healing. But there is no evidence that the majority want construction that will profit wealthy elitists such as Donald Trump or give politicians something to use in their campaigns.
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September 10th, 2006, 08:45 AM
Kinda like they didn't rebuild Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki - which is brought up every year after 60 years????
Back to the history books.
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That may be the case to some, but to me it's just another building the the government won't stop the terrorist from blowing up again or even the government blowing up themselves *shrugs* If it's really about moving on then they should move on and not talk about 9/11 anymore, but they won't. They want people to remember it every single year, just like WWII.
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It's about moving on.
In my own opinion I think they should keep ground zero exactly how it is right now and not build anything on it. They'll build it just to have the terrorist find a way to destroy this new building as well.
Kinda like they didn't rebuild Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki - which is brought up every year after 60 years????
Back to the history books.
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September 10th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Should we also pull the $13 billion in School Construction? Or is it ok for the wealthy elites to get rich on that?
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Donald Trump is not a construction contractor. These buildings take dozens of contractors, large and small to build. Not to mention thousands of union workers. You're pissing against the wind. Everyone agress that some form of commemoration is warranted in order to bring about healing. But there is no evidence that the majority want construction that will profit wealthy elitists such as Donald Trump or give politicians something to use in their campaigns.
Should we also pull the $13 billion in School Construction? Or is it ok for the wealthy elites to get rich on that?
