Senate Member
Posts: 5,158 
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2006, 01:30 AM
According to CTV News this evening, the Federal long gun registry will be castrated tomorrow.
Oh, the Joy!
Stockwell Day will announce a blanket, long-term amnesty for all long guns, thus effectively by-passing the registry while the government dismantles it. Responsibility for the old-style restricted weapons only registry will be returned to the RCMP.
Thank God.
Now let's give the Conservatives a majority, so they can dismantle the rest of the Firearms Act, and replace it with a sane plan for gun control.
According to CTV News this evening, the Federal long gun registry will be castrated tomorrow.
Oh, the Joy!
Stockwell Day will announce a blanket, long-term amnesty for all long guns, thus effectively by-passing the registry while the government dismantles it. Responsibility for the old-style restricted weapons only registry will be returned to the RCMP.
Thank God.
Now let's give the Conservatives a majority, so they can dismantle the rest of the Firearms Act, and replace it with a sane plan for gun control.
Genius
Posts: 953
Location: Calgary, AB
Location: Calgary, AB
May 16th, 2006, 04:16 AM
Tories will deregister long guns, shotguns: CTV
Canada's controversial gun registry will undergo big changes starting on Tuesday, CTV News has learned.
The government of Stephen Harper will give the RCMP responsibility to register and keep track of guns in Canada.
And the types of guns being registered will also change. From now on only handguns and semi-automatic weapons will be placed on the list.
"Whatever the government decides, obviously we will support in any way we can," RCMP commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said.
On Tuesday, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day will begin the changes by announcing an amnesty for rifle and shotgun owners, a group of people who have long criticized the registry for targeting law-abiding hunters and collectors.
The changes will be announced as Auditor General Sheila Fraser releases the first of three yearly reports, including a review of the gun registry.
"The auditor general will be reflecting on elements to do with the gun registry and I'll be making some comments following that," Day said.
Information from that audit was leaked to the media last week -- although Fraser has said some elements were inaccurate. Fraser's report on the gun registry is expected to say:
That the former Liberal government may have tried to hide cost overruns from Parliament.
Costs grew because the Firearms Centre signed contracts with two competing computer firms.
Despite controversy and cost overruns, the gun registry has supporters. Police consult the firearms databank approximately 5,000 times every day and officers say limiting the types of guns listed will not help law enforcement.
"Our last six or seven police officers were killed with long guns," said Tony Cannavino of the Canadian Professional Police Association. "That's very sad."
Gun control activist Wendy Cukier said: "The only reason they would proceed to dismantle a system that is working as well as this one is to pay back the gun lobby."
Legislations creating registry was passed in 1995 as a response to the shooting of 14 young women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique six years earlier by Marc Lépine. The intention of the registry was to keep track of all legally-owned guns in Canada and to reduce crime by making every gun traceable.
The government of Jean Chretien estimated that establishing the registry would cost approximately $119 million, with registration fees covering all but $2 million.
Instead, costs mounted to an estimated $1 billion by 2004-05.
http://<br /> http://www.ctv.ca/ser...hub=TopStories
Tories will deregister long guns, shotguns: CTV
Canada's controversial gun registry will undergo big changes starting on Tuesday, CTV News has learned.
The government of Stephen Harper will give the RCMP responsibility to register and keep track of guns in Canada.
And the types of guns being registered will also change. From now on only handguns and semi-automatic weapons will be placed on the list.
"Whatever the government decides, obviously we will support in any way we can," RCMP commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said.
On Tuesday, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day will begin the changes by announcing an amnesty for rifle and shotgun owners, a group of people who have long criticized the registry for targeting law-abiding hunters and collectors.
The changes will be announced as Auditor General Sheila Fraser releases the first of three yearly reports, including a review of the gun registry.
"The auditor general will be reflecting on elements to do with the gun registry and I'll be making some comments following that," Day said.
Information from that audit was leaked to the media last week -- although Fraser has said some elements were inaccurate. Fraser's report on the gun registry is expected to say:
That the former Liberal government may have tried to hide cost overruns from Parliament.
Costs grew because the Firearms Centre signed contracts with two competing computer firms.
Despite controversy and cost overruns, the gun registry has supporters. Police consult the firearms databank approximately 5,000 times every day and officers say limiting the types of guns listed will not help law enforcement.
"Our last six or seven police officers were killed with long guns," said Tony Cannavino of the Canadian Professional Police Association. "That's very sad."
Gun control activist Wendy Cukier said: "The only reason they would proceed to dismantle a system that is working as well as this one is to pay back the gun lobby."
Legislations creating registry was passed in 1995 as a response to the shooting of 14 young women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique six years earlier by Marc Lépine. The intention of the registry was to keep track of all legally-owned guns in Canada and to reduce crime by making every gun traceable.
The government of Jean Chretien estimated that establishing the registry would cost approximately $119 million, with registration fees covering all but $2 million.
Instead, costs mounted to an estimated $1 billion by 2004-05.
http://<br /> http://www.ctv.ca/ser...hub=TopStories
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
May 16th, 2006, 04:30 AM
a guns nuts happy day... *shrugs* I'm not big on gun control, besides besides the basics getting covered, making sure the people who shouldn't have guns don't have them. But ay the same time I don't think this issue has ever been a big issue for me anyhow. Though if they ever make it legal for us to have ak47's or C7's I'm so getting one. lol
a guns nuts happy day... *shrugs* I'm not big on gun control, besides besides the basics getting covered, making sure the people who shouldn't have guns don't have them. But ay the same time I don't think this issue has ever been a big issue for me anyhow. Though if they ever make it legal for us to have ak47's or C7's I'm so getting one. lol
Made my day!
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366
May 16th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Gee, I bet some Liberals are going to loose a lot of sleep over this.
Wasn't it Allan Rock who said the gun registry would be cancelled over his dead body? Has anyone checked in on him?
Now we need a small investigation to find out where all that gun registry money really went....
Gee, I bet some Liberals are going to loose a lot of sleep over this.
Wasn't it Allan Rock who said the gun registry would be cancelled over his dead body? Has anyone checked in on him?
Now we need a small investigation to find out where all that gun registry money really went....
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Senate Member
Posts: 5,158
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2006, 10:28 AM
It is a restricted weapon, which means you would have to belong to a gun club, and could only shoot it on the range, but what-the-heck, vote Tory and we might just go back to sanity in gun control laws. Then you could use it the same as any other semi-auto long gun, despite the way it looks.
edited to say........
Oh Yeah.
The down side....
1000+++ bucks for a good one..........
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Hey, you can't have a C7 because of the selective fire option, however you CAN own a semi-automatic only version. It is the AR 15, made by several good companies, and very popular on the taget range.
a guns nuts happy day... *shrugs* I'm not big on gun control, besides besides the basics getting covered, making sure the people who shouldn't have guns don't have them. But ay the same time I don't think this issue has ever been a big issue for me anyhow. Though if they ever make it legal for us to have ak47's or C7's I'm so getting one. lol
It is a restricted weapon, which means you would have to belong to a gun club, and could only shoot it on the range, but what-the-heck, vote Tory and we might just go back to sanity in gun control laws. Then you could use it the same as any other semi-auto long gun, despite the way it looks.
edited to say........
Oh Yeah.
The down side....
1000+++ bucks for a good one..........
Senate Member
Posts: 5,158
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2006, 10:52 AM
Rock helped organize the great Lennon-Yoko bed-in you know.
I used to really despise the guy, then I realized that he is a complete, absolute moron, a true believer in this crap, and one should not disrespect the mentally defective.
His greatest acheivement to date has been not drooling on his shoes.
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Allan Rock is in the Sudan, trying to convince the Janjaweed to register their AK 47s..........then if he could just get Bono to lay in bed for a few weeks, peace would descend on Africa.
Gee, I bet some Liberals are going to loose a lot of sleep over this.
Wasn't it Allan Rock who said the gun registry would be cancelled over his dead body? Has anyone checked in on him?
Now we need a small investigation to find out where all that gun registry money really went....
Wasn't it Allan Rock who said the gun registry would be cancelled over his dead body? Has anyone checked in on him?
Now we need a small investigation to find out where all that gun registry money really went....
Rock helped organize the great Lennon-Yoko bed-in you know.
I used to really despise the guy, then I realized that he is a complete, absolute moron, a true believer in this crap, and one should not disrespect the mentally defective.
His greatest acheivement to date has been not drooling on his shoes.
Executive Member
Posts: 9,137
May 16th, 2006, 11:00 AM
Out of curiosity,
What would it cost to fire a ten round burst from an AK - 47? I'm guessing enough for a pretty good lunch. Hell, a full clip from your Browning would probably get you a full meal at Mc gag and puke.
It was kind of nice in the airforce when two of us could fire off ten boxes of 9mm in a couple hours and not worry about it.
Out of curiosity,
What would it cost to fire a ten round burst from an AK - 47? I'm guessing enough for a pretty good lunch. Hell, a full clip from your Browning would probably get you a full meal at Mc gag and puke.
It was kind of nice in the airforce when two of us could fire off ten boxes of 9mm in a couple hours and not worry about it.
Senate Member
Posts: 5,158
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
May 16th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Actually, it is more expensive to feed the Browning, except that I reload, and can produce ammo for about $.20 per round.
Not a cheap sport.
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I don't own an AK or any 7.62 x 39mm rifle.........but a quick trip to my Canadian Access to Firearms advertising magazine shows fresh, clean Hungarian surplus ammo going at $162 for 900 rounds, plus, of course, GST and shipping. Say $.25 per round, $2.50 for 10. Out of curiosity,
What would it cost to fire a ten round burst from an AK - 47? I'm guessing enough for a pretty good lunch. Hell, a full clip from your Browning would probably get you a full meal at Mc gag and puke.
It was kind of nice in the airforce when two of us could fire off ten boxes of 9mm in a couple hours and not worry about it.
What would it cost to fire a ten round burst from an AK - 47? I'm guessing enough for a pretty good lunch. Hell, a full clip from your Browning would probably get you a full meal at Mc gag and puke.
It was kind of nice in the airforce when two of us could fire off ten boxes of 9mm in a couple hours and not worry about it.
Actually, it is more expensive to feed the Browning, except that I reload, and can produce ammo for about $.20 per round.
Not a cheap sport.
Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Surrey, British Columbia
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Location: Surrey, British Columbia
May 16th, 2006, 11:49 AM
I would suggest that this is a hasty initiative, and I would hope that the opposition parties do whatever is within their power in the House of Commons and the Senate to slow down this endeavour until a more thorough analysis of the consequences of this decision can be made.
I would suggest that this is a hasty initiative, and I would hope that the opposition parties do whatever is within their power in the House of Commons and the Senate to slow down this endeavour until a more thorough analysis of the consequences of this decision can be made.
Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Surrey, British Columbia
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May 16th, 2006, 11:57 AM
I am not aware of him saying that, but if he indeed did, then he would be correct. However, I would contend that seeing as how recent surveys indicated that a majority of the people of Canada prefer that the gun registry be retained or amended rather than terminated entirely, I would suggest that the Government of Canada should heed this advice.
I am not aware of him saying that, but if he indeed did, then he would be correct. However, I would contend that seeing as how recent surveys indicated that a majority of the people of Canada prefer that the gun registry be retained or amended rather than terminated entirely, I would suggest that the Government of Canada should heed this advice.
