RE: Don't mess with TexasNov 13th, 2005
Consider the position he was in...she had him cornered in a closet.
Quote: Originally Posted by Nascar_JamesQuote: Originally Posted by Reverend BlairThe man was hiding in a closet. There is no indication that he was at all violent or that he was even going to steal from the home. He was HIDING. He was reaching for the gun that was BEING POINTED AT HIM and the front door at the same time. He was TRYING to get AWAY.Quote has been trimmed
You guys likely laugh when you hear about cops firing warning shots into peoples' backs too.Rev, knowing that most homes in the southern US are equipped with guns, virtually eliminating home invasions ... what was this guy thinking, that he could just escape from police and run into a house and he'll be left alone? Did he have a death wish? It appeared to me he did. He had no business on that lady's property, the minute she saw this criminal in her home, she had two valid reasons for shooting ... first to defend herself (she is elderly), second, to protect her home.
We need to stay tough on criminals! I don't want the south turning into New York/Chicago/LA where folks are scared of criminals. Here it's the other way around.James! You are overlooking the most important reason of all: her granddaughter. She got...
The unnecessary risk this lady took was in trying to shoot the guy in the leg. I don't care if you're Annie Oakley, trying for non-lethal hits in a shooting situation is a very risky business.
In training, we are taught to shoot "to stop". In other words, your goal in shooting an attacker is to stop them attacking you, or carrying on with their nefarious activities. Their death or survival is NOT your concern.
That means you shoot "centre mass", or at the centre of the chest. Lately criminals have been using bullet proof vests in armoured car robberies, so our drill has changed to two quick shots centre mass, one shot at the head.
The responsibility for their own death or injury lies with the one that perpetrated the crime. I never want to shoot anybody, and I have no idea what my reaction to shooting a person would be, probably there would be guilt and regret.
But, philosophically, there is no reason for regret. The criminal is responsible for their actions, and getting their asses blasted is a direct result of their actions. Or should be..
If we continue in the current direction of blaming the victim, and wringing our hands over the fact that a criminal might be harmed, we might just as well empty out the prisons of criminals and move in ourselves, for our own protection.
It sounds a lot like he was trying to grab or possibly swat at the gun while reaching for the doorknob, yballa. That's the kind of thing that leads to what they call defensive wounds on all of those coroner shows.
And she could have taken a step or too back and sent him on his way.
If he had gotten the gun away from her and shot her, it would match a lot of statistics. Introducing a gun into such a situation makes it inherently more dangerous not just for the crminal, but for the victim.
...and the CDC keeps stats on how many are murdered each year, Colpy. It's so bad that they treat it like a disease.
Take a valium. Been reading your posts. You're getting more wound up than I do.....
That's very true GL.
I do find it rather hilarious that a CPC spinner is telling me to relax for answering his questions though.
Are you coing tyo hang around after the election, Colpy, or does your assignment end when Harper's concession speech is done?
. . . Those who believe there is a right to keep and bear arms are morons. You know, guys like William Blackstone, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Theodore Roosevelt,...
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy. . . Those who believe there is a right to keep and bear arms are morons. You know, guys like William Blackstone, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Theodore Roosevelt,...If a single one of that list (with only the possible exception of Theodore Roosevelt, who was actually alive to see one) advocated keeping a semi automatic pistol in the house, I shall eat a copy of their Collected Works, without Thousand Island Dressing.Quote has been trimmed
With the possible exception of Thomas Jefferson, who mistakenly believed that invading Canada was "merely a matter of walking" I am surprised at your choices of presidents to champion gun rights.
Madison is known as the president in office during a war who abandoned the city so precipitously that he left his wife and property behind. (As someone who stood up to gun-toting rascals, Dolley Madison would have been a better choice, not only standing up to the Redcoats, but also saving a painting of George Washington before the White House was torched.)
While Teddy did make his famous charge (up Kettle Hill, not San Jaun Hill) with his Rough Riders, as a Republican president, he was more famous for his conservationist movement, and his “trust-busting,” and rooting out of corruption and “machine politics.”
Now, back to the issue at hand Schmitt
The man was hiding in a closet. There is no indication that he was at all violent or that he was even going to steal from the home. He was HIDING. He was reaching for the gun that was BEING POINTED AT HIM and the front door at the same time. He was TRYING to get AWAY.
You guys likely laugh when you hear about cops firing warning shots into peoples' backs too.