Anti-Nazi Crowd Runs Riot in Ohio


Nascar_James
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www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9707507/ (external - login to view)

Updated: 4:23 p.m. ET Oct. 15, 2005

TOLEDO, Ohio - A crowd that gathered to protest a white supremacists march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.

The march was called off just before it was to begin at noon, and the mayor and a local minister tried to negotiate with the rioters. But their efforts produced little response, and police prepared to forcibly remove a crowd of several hundred mid-afternoon.

“This has a real potential for a lot of bloodshed,” Police Chief Mike Navarre warned a large group of officers, part of the 150 deployed to provide security for the march.

Police in helicopters, cruisers, bicycles and on horses chased bands of youths throughout the afternoon. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, only to see the groups reappear nearby and resume throwing rocks and bottles. At least six people were arrested.

Navarre said officers had a report of a man shot in the area, but they had not found a victim. No other injuries had been reported, Navarre said.

At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself “America’s Nazi Party,” gathered at a city park just before noon and were to march under police protection. Organizers of the march said they were demonstrating against black gangs that they said were harassing white residents in the neighborhood.

Violence broke out about one-quarter of a mile away from the park along the planned one-mile route. By midafternoon, Navarre said he believed all the members of the Nazi group had left the city.

Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.

“A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they’re jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off,” he said.

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for initially allowing the march.

“They let them come here and expect this not to happen?” said White, 29.
 
no1important
#2
I can't understand in this day and age how much racism there is still in America.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#3
What's your point, James?

I agree with this guy.

Quote:

“They let them come here and expect this not to happen?” said White, 29.

I feckin' hate Nazis, Jake.
 
Nascar_James
#4
I agree. Those individuals that are part of any white supremacist group should be locked up for hate crime.

In addition, city officials should be held responsible for this mess since they initially did not object to the march.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#5
Unfortunately, they're protected by your Bill of Wrongs.
 
Andygal
#6
For once I actually agree with you Nascar.

The bloody-neonazis should all be thrown in jail for hate crimes.

How could the city officals have been so stupid as to allow that to happen, didn't they realise it was going to cause trouble? Honestly.
 
GL Schmitt
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Andygal

. . . The bloody-neonazis should all be thrown in jail for hate crimes. . . ..

As much as I agree with your reaction, as long as they were only speaking the hateful things they believe in, but not doing the hateful things they believe in, they are protected by the First Amendment, the same as everyone else in America.


"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil who is standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. . . . Then you can stand up and sing about the 'land of the free.'"

— Aaron Sorkin, “The American President”
 
no1important
#8
In reality those neo nazis' and KKK are just wacked out neocons. So if neocons can preach their beliefs why can't they? Your so called bill of rights allows it. Personally I believe hate groups and neo cons should be put away in a mental ward.
 
Hank C Cheyenne
#9
yea what the hell was going on here..... I can't beleive it happend in Toledo ...my hometown

anyways this is quite a dilema I mean you have freedom of speech........ but then do you allow preaching hate? Maybe if the National Socialist Movement Nazi's would hold their hatefilled sessions in private.... but they did it right in the open what the f**k did they expect!!!

Canada has is right in making it illegal to openly preach hate........ the US should follow ...
 
Hank C Cheyenne
#10
Quote:

In reality those neo nazis' and KKK are just wacked out neocons. So if neocons can preach their beliefs why can't they? Your so called bill of rights allows it. Personally I believe hate groups and neo cons should be put away in a mental ward.

umm no.... comparing conservatives to Nazi's shows your ignorance and crosses the line....... it's the equivilent of calling neo liberals a bunch of suacide bombers.......there is enough **** going on in the world...wake up little man
 
Ten Packs
#11
TOLEDO? -HOME OF THE MUD HENS???

Oh, say it ain't so, Alice!

 
JomZ
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Quote:

umm no.... comparing conservatives to Nazi's shows your ignorance and crosses the line....... it's the equivilent of calling neo liberals a bunch of suacide bombers.......there is enough **** going on in the world...wake up little man.

Actually he is closer then you think, Nazisim (or moreso Facisim) is just a lot further too the right on the political spectrums then neo conservatism. It would be more appropriate to compare neo liberalsim to Communism (even though that is not entirely correct also).

I do not know where you get the idea that neo liberals are anywhere related to suicide bombers, but maybe you need to wake up before you type this kinda BS.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote:

it's the equivilent of calling neo liberals a bunch of suacide bombers.......

 
Reverend Blair
#14
Actually neo-conservatism, by using jingoism and religion as its tools, as well as by promoting a dogma that draws heavily from fascism, does have a very real tendency to promote racism and intolerance. It also leads to class divisions, which cause and reinforce racism and intolerance.

Neo-liberalism is just neo-conservatism without the religion and jingoism. It doesn't use jingoism and religion as tools so much, but it does lead to class divisions.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#15
And, of course, one definition of fascism is the co-interference of business in government and vice versa, to the point where the two are inseparable. In fascism there is no major business which is not connected to central planning, and the avowed interests of the state are heavily determined by those who run corporations.

Economic fascism was more commonly referred to as corporatism by it's advocates.
 
no1important
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Hank C Cheyenne

Quote:

In reality those neo nazis' and KKK are just wacked out neocons. So if neocons can preach their beliefs why can't they? Your so called bill of rights allows it. Personally I believe hate groups and neo cons should be put away in a mental ward.

umm no.... comparing conservatives to Nazi's shows your ignorance and crosses the line....... it's the equivilent of calling neo liberals a bunch of suacide bombers.......there is enough **** going on in the world...wake up little man

Well go look at any nazi or kkk website if you do not believe me. They call themselves christians and have far right conservative values.
 

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