The Coming Police State

Even the ACLU is talking about the coming police state (external - login to view)
Mrmom2's link of the ACLU article has a point that has always caught my focus on this so-called war on terror:

"It charges that many of the men who were held as material witnesses were "thrust into a Kafkaesque world of indefinite detention without charges, secret evidence, and baseless accusations." --end quote

What you see here is the banality of evil, the banality of bureaucratic incompetence, of budget shortfalls, of busy people with no system of followup.

Incompetence more than conspiracy is often at the heart of evil. Conspiracy implies many pieces of a puzzle working perfectly together. The odds on that happening requires a belief in the competence of those people.

But the odds on incompetence occurring beats out, by far, any coordinated conspiracy on these detentions of alleged terrorists.

I believe that the bureaucracy is staffed by people who are overwhelmed, who are afraid of making career ending mistakes by questioning the dept manager, who are distracted, and who have no system of followup and who have no omsbudsman or captain whose sole job is to find the holes, the failures to follow up.
Vanni Fucci
The way I see it, the fact that we are having this conversation at all is testamonial to their level of incompetence.

By that I mean, if the conspirators were competent in their conspiring, we would know nothing of it at all...but the leaks are happening more and more frequently's getting hard to ignore the possibility that there may well be far more beneath the surface of what we believe to be fact...

Buy you seem content to hang on to whatever shred of decency you can glean from your failing government...

So carry on then...
Thats an interesting take on it Jim you maybe right Only the elite know for sure What no riddle ? :P
Yo Vanni ???

Perhaps you have not read enough Kafka to know that he heartily subscribes to the banality of evil, the incompetence and idiocy of bureaucracy, the facelessness of it for it has no shepherd of inspiration, no guiding force so that bureaucracy is this formless perpetual motion machine ---- it just is.

Did he not describe the nightmare? Orwell got part of it right, but Kafka got to the heart of it.

What shred of decency do you see I glean from that, Vanni ?

Like Kafka, all of us should find that is often where the greatest evil comes, not from some belief in the competence of conspiracy.

Conspiracy just appeals to the fashion statement of the time --- that's all.
"Conspiracy just appeals to the fashion statement of the time --- that's all."

It's also a tool used in intelligence.
Jo Canadian
This is kind of cool. I wonder how effective it will be when implemented.


Gunshot recognition system aims to cut crime (external - login to view)
CHICAGO Police installed video surveillance cameras around town and saw Chicago's murder rate fall to its lowest level in four decades. Now the cops hope to further cut crime by not only watching, but listening, too.

The city is employing new technology that recognizes the sound of a gunshot within a two-block radius, pinpoints the source, turns a surveillance camera toward the shooter and places a 911 call.

No police state Eh my american friends ?I think you better start paying more attention to what your goverment is setting up

Bush Administration creates "Secret State Police"

by Michel Chossudovsky

June 30, 2005

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The Bush Administration is to set up a "domestic spy service", pursuant to the recommendations of a Commission led by US Circuit Judge Laurence Silberman and former Senator Charles S. Robb of Virginia, the so-called Silberman-Rob Commission.

The new "domestic intelligence department" is slated to combine FBI counterterrorism, intelligence and espionage operations into a single service. The latter operating under the auspices of the FBI will have the authority to "seize the property of people deemed to be helping the spread of WMD".

The decision was formally announced by FBI Director Mueller and Attorney General Gonzales at a press conference at the Attorney General's Office on the 29th, the same day as Bush's speech broadcast live from Fort Bragg, NC. The decision to create a secret police passed virtually unnoticed. The imitative was described as as a necessary step in "protecting the American public":

"It pulls together the Counterintelligence Division, the Counterterrorism Division, and the Directorate of Intelligence, enabling it to act together to develop intelligence and then to act on that intelligence, in consultation with not only Department of Justice but also the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). We look forward to working with the DNI over the next 60 days to put in place additional steps that may be required to give full implementation to the development of this National Security Service." ( )

The new department --meaning essentially a Big Brother "Secret State Police"-- will be able to "spy on people in America suspected of terrorism or having critical intelligence information, even if they are not suspected of committing a crime." (NBC Tonight, 29 June 2005).

The initiative not only modifies the mandate of the FBI, it also undermines its autonomy as a civilian law enforcement bureau. Although formally operating under the FBI, the proposed centralized domestic spy unit will be controlled by the Directorate of National Intelligence headed by John Negroponte, who will set both the budget and priorities of the new FBI department.

According to Timothy Edgar, of The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU):

"The FBI is effectively being taken over by a spymaster who reports directly to the White House. ... It's alarming that the same person who oversees foreign spying will now oversee domestic spying too."

Overriding the independence of the FBI, Negroponte will call the shots regarding the appointment of the head of the proposed unit. (High-level appointments at the FBI are made by its director, subject to the formal approval of the Attorney General. The intrusion of the Director of National Intelligence in senior FBI appointments sets an important precedent, which contradicts the mandate and statutes of the FBI.)


The new FBI department involves the integration of law enforcement and domestic spying. Its mandate is essentially political and is directed at curbing all forms of social and political dissent in America . It is concerned with various categories of "domestic enemies", which "threaten the security of the Homeland", namely which question the legitimacy of the "war on terrorism". According to a 2004 Report of the Homeland Security Council , these domestic "conspirators" are said to be acting in coordination with "foreign terrorists". The Report identified "domestic radical groups" and "disgruntled employees" (labor activists) as potential domestic enemies (See Michel Chossudovsky, (external - login to view) )

Officials have stated, however, that the new department will also include "an office of civil liberties ... created to prevent abuses". According to US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales: "We're going to operate in a way that best protects this country and we do so in a way that respects the privacy rights and civil liberties of every American." (quoted in NBC Report, op cit)
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What?? no Blah! eh mom :P
Maybe if they'd been doing that before, 9-11 would have been prevented.
Jo Canadian
Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2

The List Of Carnivore
And Eschelon Keywords
The list below contains many of the keywords the Government Spooks search YOUR email and chat for.

Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charges, ambush, sniping, motorcade, IRS, BATF, jtf-6, mjtf, hrt, srt, hostages, munitions, weapons, TNT, rdx, amfo, hmtd, picric acid, silver nitrite, mercury fulminate...etc...etc...etc...

Heeey, we all could have fun with these words that they scan for. Just send out a bunch of e-mails with the enitre list on it and give it a smart-*** caption at the end.
I can't believe Bugs Bunny is on the list
Now they want to know when your using your water

Where does it all end
Makes you wonder if the nwo, Illuminati or some other "secret government" really exist.
Jo Canadian

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