More b.s. from French-Canada......


jamie
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News:

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QUEBEC CITY - Quebec's premier may unleash the language police to crack down on the growing use of English in workplaces around the province.

A report released on Monday found English continues to gain ground in the province. Premier Jean Charest says he favours doing whatever needs to be done to promote the French language and culture.

That could include asking Quebec's language watchdog to tighten up enforcement of the rules, he said.

Under Bill 101, the controversial language law passed in the 1970s, the Office de la Langue Française, can order businesses with more than 50 employees to translate all internal correspondence into French.

"The English language has become very much – throughout the world – the language of business," Charest said.

"So the constant pressure will be there."

The report, released on Monday by the language watchdog, says the French language is in a "precarious" state in Quebec as English usage continues to expand.

It says efforts to require businesses to comply with language laws aren't halting the trend.

The report also finds that although immigrants are still more likely to learn French, English is the language of choice for more than half of all new arrivals to the province.

These people are insane, for real.
 
Andem
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Hey jamie, good point. Do you have a source url for the article?
 
gerryh
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you want to elaborate? How are these people "insane"?
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
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I think that 99% of Canadians will never visit the province of Quebec, ..... so why are people always complaining about language hassels in Quebec?

Here, in Ontario, the language is English, and yet no one seems to quite understand our politicians or government.

It is not language laws that bother me, but rather the new security laws that are being enacted by our government.

Calm
 
Andem
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#5
25% of Canadians live in Quebec... so there's no way 99% of Canadians will never visit. A lot of my friends have been to and love Montreal.
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
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Okay .... so, forget the math.

The point was ..... most people living outside of Quebec will never visit that province.

Calm
 
LadyC
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

you want to elaborate? How are these people "insane"?

"The English language has become very much – throughout the world – the language of business," Charest said.

If it's the language of business, wouldn't it make sense to learn it? Remember all those courses people took before doing business in the East to avoid insulting their hosts? Seems the same to me. If you want to do business with someone, you need to learn their ways, not force them to adapt to yours.
 
sj007
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well i live in canada and quebec so before labeling us insane plz notice that this is a political issue that is very debted in quebec u cant just say that ppl are nice or insne from one article or one sorce im english btw
 
Reverend Blair
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That's true, especially people from the west, who tend to make the most out of these things. Those that do go there go to Montreal and get mad when some people don't speak English. Try getting served in French in Saskatchewan or Alberta...good luck.
 
LadyC
#10
I've heard that talking REALLY LOUD helps.
 
sj007
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but frech does have its usefulness i understand alot more languages like spanish italian cuz iknow french its also useful in a forin country that deosnt know french so that u dont get pesterd
 
jamie
#12
It was from CBC. Also, in the US, the language is obviously English, but others who don't read/speak the language so well, are for the most part accomodated.
It IS insane to police the French language like they are...
What do they do, fine or jail someone for not speaking their language all the friggin time?


yeah, that is the definition of insanity.
 
sj007
#13
now l'office de la langue francaise is a government orginisation its NOT a police force it just regulates the usage of french u get at most a fine how big depends on the enfraction.
it quebec its not a big deal for me cuz i live here so i donno y u make such a big deal out of it?
 
Reverend Blair
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Also, in the US, the language is obviously English, but others who don't read/speak the language so well, are for the most part accomodated.

I dunno...I know a truck driver who says the language in California and Texas is Spanish, not English. He tried speaking Ukranian to them once and they were...less than accomodating.
 
sj007
#15
well yea but u have to make an effort to make ppl try to accept u
this rant reminds me of "speak white" of the 70's
 
bevvyd
#16
Charest is one slow politician. English has been the international language of business for many years, where has he been?
 
sj007
#17
Charest hasent been a very primere so he just trying to get support i think
 
Mediana
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For those of you who are clueless about Quebec, there are a few facts you ought to be aware of, namely:
1) French language and culture is what you find in France. The gibberish spoken in Quebec is an archaic dialect which is incomprehensible to the rest of the world's francophone community and stands as an affront to all decent speakers of French everywhere.
2) L'office de la langue francaise is a fascist branch of the Quebec provincial government that functions as a language police capable of exacting fines for the crime of communicating in English.
 
double 2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

That's true, especially people from the west, who tend to make the most out of these things. Those that do go there go to Montreal and get mad when some people don't speak English. Try getting served in French in Saskatchewan or Alberta...good luck.

Actually Rev there is a town in Alberta in the Peace River country that speaks predominatly french or at least it was back in the early 70s when I was working up there . The town is called Falher . But you are right those
places are few and far between .
 
double 2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mediana

2) L'office de la langue francaise is a fascist branch of the Quebec provincial government that functions as a language police capable of exacting fines for the crime of communicating in English.

Now you are scaring me I want to visit Quebec city some day . What am reading from you is that if i get caught speaking english I can get fined ? Or is iit just in the work place.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mediana

For those of you who are clueless about Quebec, there are a few facts you ought to be aware of, namely:
1) French language and culture is what you find in France. The gibberish spoken in Quebec is an archaic dialect which is incomprehensible to the rest of the world's francophone community and stands as an affront to all decent speakers of French everywhere.
2) L'office de la langue francaise is a fascist branch of the Quebec provincial government that functions as a language police capable of exacting fines for the crime of communicating in English.



Talk about misinformation......... not even worth the 2 lines I've written.
 
LadyC
#22
That's only one line, Ger...


But I agree with you. My high school French teacher, a Scot who prided herself on her Parisian accent, said that in reality, Québecois was probably the most pure form of French, as it's been "isolated" for a few centuries. I can't remember her exact reasoning, but that's the gist.
 
gerryh
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#23
The French spoken in Quebec is different from France,, which is different from the French spoken in Louisianna. In fact the French spoken in and around Paris is different than that spoken in other areas of France or in some of the former French colonies. Just like the culture of these different areas is different than France.

Quebec has a unique culture that has developed over the years because of it's isolation from France and the influence of the English and the Natives. This unique culture is what the Quebecois want to save and allow to grow. This unique culture is what was gaurenteed to the French Canadians when the war between England and France was won by the English. There were many things promised by the English to the French of Lower Canada. Some of those promises were kept, many have not.

It would be best for "some" people to do a little research into the history of Canada concerning French Canadians inparticular before they start spouting off.
 
Mediana
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Quote: Originally Posted by LadyC

My high school French teacher, a Scot who prided herself on her Parisian accent, said that in reality, Québecois was probably the most pure form of French, as it's been "isolated" for a few centuries. I can't remember her exact reasoning, but that's the gist.

Yes, pure in the sense that it is an older form of French which dates back to the time of Louis XIV, when the king, himself, would have spoken like a Quebecer of today, saying "le roé c'est moé" instead of the modern French "le roi c'est moi".

The language spoken in Québec ceased to be a standard of French centuries past and is now an abberration according to the norms established by the francophonie.

When francophone Quebecers talk about preserving the French language in North America, they are in fact refering to an archaic form which is in no way related to the international french taught in immersion programs across Canada.

If you can discern the difference between good French and poor French, consider the following example of mediocrity: --

The ROC has been duped into believing Quebecers want to preserve the French language to the detriment of English, when in fact they are also resisting the adoption of French, proper French, International French, in Quebec.
 
gerryh
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#25
and your point is??????

Quebec wants to preserve THEIR culture and language. NOT the culture and language of France. What is so hard to understand? This was promised AND gauranteed to them.
 
Reverend Blair
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Quote:

Actually Rev there is a town in Alberta in the Peace River country that speaks predominatly french or at least it was back in the early 70s when I was working up there .

Yeah, there are a couple of towns like that in Saskatchewan too, and several here in Manitoba. Don't count on being able to get service in French in any of those provinces though.

As for Quebecois compared to French spoken in other places...so what? The English we speak is quite different than what is spoken in England, the US, Australia, etc. Within each of those areas there are accents and even sub-dialects. Watch a NASCAR race sometime...does that sound like anything spoken in Canada? Talk to a person from the north of England...is what they're speaking still English?
 
Mediana
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by double 2

Quote: Originally Posted by Mediana

2) L'office de la langue francaise is a fascist branch of the Quebec provincial government that functions as a language police capable of exacting fines for the crime of communicating in English.

Now you are scaring me I want to visit Quebec city some day . What am reading from you is that if i get caught speaking english I can get fined ? Or is iit just in the work place.

Just in the work place and on signs.

No need to be fearful, the Quebec gestapo can't touch you for simply speaking non-french.
 
gerryh
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#28
Here's a short primer on Canadian history regarding Quebecs place in Confederation.

http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/readings/queconf.htm
There's alot more info there too. To understand Quebec one must understand it's history and how it came about.
 
Mediana
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

and your point is??????

Quebec wants to preserve THEIR culture and language. NOT the culture and language of France. What is so hard to understand? This was promised AND gauranteed to them.

My point is that it is disingenuous for Quebec's elite to keep misappropriating French culture and language. Whenever the issue of Québec's identity within Canada comes up, les pures laines and their apologists do their utmost to blur the distinction between French and Quebecois culture because it would hurt their cause if more people knew just how lowbrow the sovereignist identity is in Quebec. If the pures laines presented themselves for what they really are, an inbred peasant class weighed down by all the consequences of an arrested development, it wouldn't advance their cause in the eyes of Quebecers whose origins are Irish, Greek, Jewish, Armenian, Mahgreb, etc. .



Pity the poor French! Poutine is not french cuisine. In France it wouldn't even be fit for a dog.
 
LadyC
#30
Well, the French eat snails.


Your point?
 

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