Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

Reverend Blair

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RE: Pandemic: Coming soon

Hey, you never know. The 1918 pandemic is said to have done wonders in bringing WWI to an early end...maybe it'll end the current stupidity too.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon

Reverend Blair said:
Hey, you never know. The 1918 pandemic is said to have done wonders in bringing WWI to an early end...maybe it'll end the current stupidity too.

Well, this is true, and if it stopped after killing the current stupidity then only one person will have died from it. They'd have to find someone other than Cheney to replace him, though.

Oh wait! You don't mean Bush! :cool: Interestingly, though, a pandemic really would do wonders for resetting some reality clocks. There would be much chaos, yes, but that's about what is needed to wake the sleeping people. This is just about worth a thread of its own, 'what is the upside of the coming pandemic?', because there actually would be an upside on many levels.
 

edgerunner

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We can all take measures to evolve our immune systems, right now, in an order to repell any and all illnesses.. Even of pandemic proportions.
For many years I have been taking steps towards creating a "Highly Evolved Immune System" in my pwn body.
After becoming very ill behind the flu shot, about 10 years ago, I calledupon my trusted herbal practitioner as well as my own studies in human healing and created what I call, The Anti-venom. If you are interested in the results, please PM me and I will happily share. I want this to be personal, due to my great hatred of the Western Medicle Community and its obvious affiliations with the Pharmacy Community. They are sleeping together, I just know it.
The Abti-venom is simple, inexpensive and easily attainable. Painless and non-chemical.
So, give a shout via the PM service here, and we will get you set up.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon

Reverend Blair said:
Hey, you never know. The 1918 pandemic is said to have done wonders in bringing WWI to an early end...maybe it'll end the current stupidity too.

Uh... no, the pandemic came mostly after the war, it wasn't much of a factor in ending it. It's true that in June of 1918 the first outbreak of the flu laid low about half a million German soldiers, and that left Ludendorff unable to sustain pressure in an attack against French and American forces across the River Matz, but Germany was pretty much beaten by then anyway, but wasn't yet ready to admit it. The major outbreak of the so-called Spanish Influenza didn't start until late in the fall of 1918, after the armistice. I refer you to John Keegan's most excellent bestseller, The First World War, page 408.

Dex
 

Diamond Sun

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I agree edgerunner that the Pharmaceutical companies have their fingers firmly on the strings of the puppet physicials that prescribe their medication. I try to steer clear of most drugs, and avoid the flu shot at all costs.

In similar veins my mother is very into the healing touch and does a lot of work on herself, and seems to keep in very good health. The human body is an amazing thing when you allow it to protect itself.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

Diamond Sun said:
I agree edgerunner that the Pharmaceutical companies have their fingers firmly on the strings of the puppet physicials that prescribe their medication. I try to steer clear of most drugs, and avoid the flu shot at all costs.

In similar veins my mother is very into the healing touch and does a lot of work on herself, and seems to keep in very good health. The human body is an amazing thing when you allow it to protect itself.

You really think physicians are puppets of the drug companies? No doubt some are, I've met a few pill-pushers and quickly sought another doctor, but I doubt that many of them are captives.

Sounds like you and Edgerunner are into a bit of conspiracy theory and alternative medicine. Does it strike you as mere coincidence that human life expectancy has more than doubled in precise parallel with the rise of modern scientific medicine? There's really no such thing as "alternative medicine," there are treatments that work and treatments that don't, and most of what's called alternative medicine is in the latter category. Reiki, therapeutic touch, iridology, reflexology, homeopathy, and the host of other New Age therapies are, almost without exception, frauds and hoaxes that don't pass even the most cursory scientific scrutiny. They demonstrably don't work when properly tested.

Dex
 

Just the Facts

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

Dexter Sinister said:
They demonstrably don't work when properly tested.

I noticed you didn't mention chiropractic 8) They used to be called quacks and charlatans too. Now the chiropractors are doing the calling, saying TT is quackery :lol:

I don't know much about this topic (and don't really care to) but I have friends who do and many people swear by it. A lot of it has to do with staying healthy, rather than curing sickness. In many parts of Asia, you pay your doctor when you're well. If you're sick, the doctor has failed you.

Anyway, I avoid medicine of any form (except recreational :p ) as much as possible but I'm keeping an open mind.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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There's a fine line with modern medicine. There can be no question of the benefits mankind has seen, but on the other hand, the pharmaceutical companies have run rampant, especially in later years.

The temptations dangled before doctors by the pharmaceutical companies is nothing short of appalling, so much so that the government has started to investigate and stop some of the practices. Do the doctors fall for the freebies? You betcha.

Another negative aspect of modern medicine is, surprisingly, the media. The media has created a circus of sorts... here is a scenario that happens over and over again:

A good drug is created. The drug in question does an outstanding job doing what it is supposed to do: fixing one particular problem. It has been well-tested and is safe and effective.

It also appears ('appears' being an important key word here) to have other benefits as well, but those benefits need further investigation.

The media gets wind of this new drug... they don't spend a lot of time checking their facts, though. The drug is quickly touted by the media as the next Wonder Drug.

Patients soon hear of this new Wonder Drug and demand that their doctors prescribe the drug. Caught up in the hype, doctors start to prescribe it too much too often to too many of the wrong people, and inevitably, somebody dies from the side-effects of the hapless Wonder Drug. It is then condemned as 'dangerous' by the media.

Yet another drug perfectly suited for its singular purpose is then removed from the market because of media hype, pharmaceutical greed, patient demands, and the unwillingness of too many doctors to think before prescribing.
 

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Many must die so that few (the elites) may live.

Afterall the Rockefellers are big fans of depopulation, albeit a good cause, just not the way they wish to proceed.
 

passpatoo

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

Dexter Sinister said:
Diamond Sun said:
I agree edgerunner that the Pharmaceutical companies have their fingers firmly on the strings of the puppet physicials that prescribe their medication. I try to steer clear of most drugs, and avoid the flu shot at all costs.

In similar veins my mother is very into the healing touch and does a lot of work on herself, and seems to keep in very good health. The human body is an amazing thing when you allow it to protect itself.

You really think physicians are puppets of the drug companies? No doubt some are, I've met a few pill-pushers and quickly sought another doctor, but I doubt that many of them are captives.

Sounds like you and Edgerunner are into a bit of conspiracy theory and alternative medicine. Does it strike you as mere coincidence that human life expectancy has more than doubled in precise parallel with the rise of modern scientific medicine? There's really no such thing as "alternative medicine," there are treatments that work and treatments that don't, and most of what's called alternative medicine is in the latter category. Reiki, therapeutic touch, iridology, reflexology, homeopathy, and the host of other New Age therapies are, almost without exception, frauds and hoaxes that don't pass even the most cursory scientific scrutiny. They demonstrably don't work when properly tested.

Dex

In fact, some have shown merit while others have shown no merit. I believe a greater amount still needs to be assessed scientifically or needs further scrutiny. As was pointed out chiropractic was once listed as being a "new age therapy". Just yesterday, CBC reported on a treatment for premature infants (I believe it was called Kangaroo or something of the sort in which the newborn is kept against mother's skin and between her breasts) in place of standard incubators. A study showed this method to be at least as effective as incubators. Not all premies would qualify for the treatment, but for those that had stable vitals, is was just as effective. As more of the homeopathies are understood, I think we will find the best method of treating patients will fall somewhere in between homeopathy and current standard practice. Let's not forget, a mere 40(ish) years ago, immediately following my birth, best practice was feeding infants a formula mixture. What would then have been considered a homeopathic remedy, breast feeding, is now widely understood to be best practice.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Pandemic: Coming soon

I use my bad habits to protect me. I smoke and drink and generally make my body so unhospitable for germs and micro-organisms that they don't dare attack me. ;-)
 

Dexter Sinister

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passpatoo said:
... What would then have been considered a homeopathic remedy, breast feeding, is now widely understood to be best practice.

That has nothing to do with homeopathy; you need to do a little research on the subject. I suggest you start here: http://www.skepdic.com/homeo.html. Breast feeding would never have been considered a homeopathic remedy. The essence of homeopathy is that like cures like: vanishingly small doses of things that cause certain symptoms in healthy people will cure sick people of the same symptoms. For instance, poison ivy causes skin rashes. A homeopath would take the irritant from the poison ivy plant, dilute it repeatedly in water or alcohol so thoroughly that there won't be even one molecule of the stuff left in the final mixture, and offer it as a treatment for the rash. It used to be called sympathetic magic, and there's no validity to it at all, it's complete nonsense.

As for chiropractic, have a look at this one: http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html
and this one: http://www.quackwatch.org/ and scroll down a bit to the section on chiropractic. Chiropractors can do some good when they restrict themselves to what amounts to massage therapy, but the theoretical essence of it, spinal subluxations, is totally without merit.

And for Just the Facts, who objected that I didn't mention chiropractic in my original post, here's a partial list of some of the nonsense that pervades today's world, none of which have any detectable substance to them:

astrology, palmistry, graphology, iridology, reflexology, reincarnation, recovered memories (especially of childhood sexual abuse), astral projection, out of body experiences, channelling spirits (either people long dead, or aliens from the Pleiades, or anyone else), telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis, psychokinetic powers of any sort, clairvoyance, any link between quantum physics and consciousness, hidden codes in the Bible, anything Nostradamus ever wrote and anything anyone now thinks it might mean, almost anything based on a literal interpretation of Scripture, the healing power of crystals, tarot cards, Ouija boards, homeopathy, pyramidology, psi in any form or manifestation, dowsing, ancient astronauts, UFOs as alien visitations, most herbal medicine and naturopathy, most self-help books (especially ones whose authors prominently identify themselves as “Ph.D.” or “M.D.”), most works about Atlantis, except the ones that identify it with Cretan or Minoan civilization, anything about Lemuria or Mu, most aspects of most religions...ah, the list is endless

There is no end to the mystic nonsense in this culture, promoted by con artists and frauds, irresponsible mass media, an irrational world view that supports unsupportable claims, and a general ineffectiveness of public education, which fails to teach the basic skills of critical thinking. We teach people what to think, not how to think.

I've spent a good part of the last 20 years trying to learn how to think clearly and critically, and I think I've got it mostly right now, but I still screw up sometimes.
 

Omega

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Hello Diamond Sun,

I am curious about why you avoid flu shots.

When I started working outside the home after many years of being at home raising my children, I got a horrible case of flu. I was off work for days and days, and felt like I was going to die. Actually, I wished I would! My doctor told me that it was because I was now exposing myself to many more people than I was used to, riding the bus to work, working in a closed-in highrise, taking elevators, and I didn't have the immunity I needed to do those things. He recommended that I get a flu shot every year, which I have done, and from that day on I haven't once had the flu.

I have never had a reaction to the shots other than a slightly sore arm for a day or two from the needle. Only people who are allergic to eggs should avoid them, as the virus is grown in eggs apparently. I swear by flu shots, and wouldn't think of not having one.

The flu shot consists of a killed virus, not a live one, and so it isn't possible to get the flu from a flu shot. They have worked their wonders for me.
 

LadyC

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I don't get the flu shot either, Omega. I don't get sick often, and when I do it's not usually serious. I don't think the flu is too bad - I see it as my body's way of telling me I should take it easy.

If I had a job where I was around people, like a teacher or a nurse, I'd probably get the shot, but for me, there's really no point. At least not right now.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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To me, the most interesting thing about the 'flu vaccine is that there has been virtually no research done to confirm long-term safety.

There is a possible link to Alzheimers for people who get the shot every year. There are also studies that indicate a possible connection to autism from the excessive dose of mercury contained in the shot, a dose many times higher than considered safe. In California, a possible connection has been found between the 'flu vaccine and autism (cases of autism have increased by more than 400% since 'flu shots have been in common use in California), the high level of mercury in the shot being the suspected cause.

The solution to the mercury problem has been the production of a mercury-free or low-mercury vaccine, but it does beg the question: which is worse, a temporary illness from the 'flu itself or unknown long-term problems from possible side-effects with the shot?

My sister has, for many years, received the vaccine. She swears this is why she rarely gets the 'flu. I have, for the same years, never received the vaccine. I get the 'flu just slightly less often than she does.
 

passpatoo

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

That has nothing to do with homeopathy; you need to do a little research on the subject.

I misused the term homeopathy. I was intending the word to be a reference to medical practices used away from what is standard practice. I think my point still stands.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

passpatoo said:
That has nothing to do with homeopathy; you need to do a little research on the subject.

I misused the term homeopathy. I was intending the word to be a reference to medical practices used away from what is standard practice. I think my point still stands.

Umm, Passpatoo? You are right, my post has nothing to do with homeopathy... read the thread, please, and specifically, read the two posts prior to mine. I was answering those posts. They are about the 'flu shot.

Just for the record, when I started this thread I wasn't talking about homeopathy then, either. Mind you, I personally do not mind the tangents on which we have wandered. Homeopathy is an interesting topic for discussion, and one more than worthy of its own thread. This thread has become a bit of a mish-mash of pandemics, 'flu shots (which are irrelevant to pandemics), homeopathy, and arguments about the validity of mish-mash produced other than one's own. :cool:
 

Dexter Sinister

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On the general safety of vaccines:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu00.html

On long term side effects:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu04.html

On the supposed link to autism:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/autism.html

On mercury in vaccines:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/thimerosal.html

Couldn't find anything specific to Alzheimers in this context, but I'd bet heavily it's the same kind of unsubstantiated and irresponsible media coverage that led to the other ideas being disseminated, i.e. there's no good evidence any it's true.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Pandemic: Coming soon to a body near you.

Haggis McBagpipe said:
Umm, Passpatoo? You are right, my post has nothing to do with homeopathy...

I think Passpatoo was quoting me in the first sentence and managed to delete the codes that would identify it.