Bomber's stunned family has little time to grieve
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What is the point of breaking down the home of these terrorists (I oppose to calling them freedomfighters)?
RE: Bomber
There is no point, Rick. It's brutal revenge on people who had nothing to do with any of it.
There is no point, Rick. It's brutal revenge on people who had nothing to do with any of it.
Rick van Opbergen said:
Why do we call oppressed people terrorists? Aren't the Palestinians fighting for their homeland?
I have a question and I hope someone can answer it.
If I go and take your house by force and force you in the bathroom. Then I will deprive you of using the water in the bathroom. Then I ask you not to use the toilet because it will be used by me and my family and so on and so forth until you are sitting in a small bathtub.All of a sudden you have a slight chance to break out of the bathroom. Would you kill me? And if you kill me, are you a terrorist?
I somehow knew you would react moghrabi :wink:
moghrabi, a person who kills innocent people is a terrorist. End of story. Don't think I don't know anything about the frustration among Palestinians - yes, I'm not one of them, nor did I ever visit the Palestinian Territories, but I've spoken to some Palestinians, did some reading on my part, so I'm not totally ignorant about the situation.
Now, frustration seems to be the root cause for the fact some Palestinians blow themselves up in busses, malls etc. However, point is: does that justify the fact that on the "other side" (Israel), innocents will be killed too because of their actions? Thousands of Palestinians are living in refugeecamps for generations because they are not granted citizenship, not by the Israeli government, not by the Jordan government, not by the Lebanese government etc. Thousands of Palestinians are not able to even have access to basic things: healthcare, education etc. Thousands of Palestinians seem to have no future.
In the eyes of these so-called freedomfighters, it is just that innocent Israelis have to pay for what their government has done to them. Average Israelis who go to work, have families, raise their kids, go to school.
The frustration among the majority of Palestinians is probably something I can never describe, or better: I can never experience, or feel. I can not see what's going on in their heads. But when a Palestinian blows himself up in a mall, because he or she thinks that it is just, while knowing those little children standing two feet from him (or her) will die in a couple of seconds ... I will call those people murderers, terrorists, and I can feel sympathy for their situation at home, but I can never feel sympathy for the actions they do.
moghrabi, a person who kills innocent people is a terrorist. End of story. Don't think I don't know anything about the frustration among Palestinians - yes, I'm not one of them, nor did I ever visit the Palestinian Territories, but I've spoken to some Palestinians, did some reading on my part, so I'm not totally ignorant about the situation.
Now, frustration seems to be the root cause for the fact some Palestinians blow themselves up in busses, malls etc. However, point is: does that justify the fact that on the "other side" (Israel), innocents will be killed too because of their actions? Thousands of Palestinians are living in refugeecamps for generations because they are not granted citizenship, not by the Israeli government, not by the Jordan government, not by the Lebanese government etc. Thousands of Palestinians are not able to even have access to basic things: healthcare, education etc. Thousands of Palestinians seem to have no future.
In the eyes of these so-called freedomfighters, it is just that innocent Israelis have to pay for what their government has done to them. Average Israelis who go to work, have families, raise their kids, go to school.
The frustration among the majority of Palestinians is probably something I can never describe, or better: I can never experience, or feel. I can not see what's going on in their heads. But when a Palestinian blows himself up in a mall, because he or she thinks that it is just, while knowing those little children standing two feet from him (or her) will die in a couple of seconds ... I will call those people murderers, terrorists, and I can feel sympathy for their situation at home, but I can never feel sympathy for the actions they do.
RE: Bomber
Frustration, lack of basic rights, etc that you mentioned pushes people to the extreme. So, as much as I condemn the act of blowing yourself up and kill innocent people, I do understand a little about what is going on in their heads. Let me explain:
When a child sees his fathers body charred and beyond recognition, when he sees his mother being humiliated by army men at checkpoints, when he sees that his sister just died while pregnant and the army will not allow her to cross to the hospital, when the child see F-16 firing rockets at buildings and people and his/her friends are gone to pieces, then you will understand a little of why these people do what they do.
As for citizenships for Palestinians in other countries, I am totally against it. This is exactly what the occupation government want. Let them have a Lebanese or Jordanian citizenships and then they stop asking for their right of return.
The action of suicide bombers is ugly, but the actions of an occupier is even uglier. You just have to live it to feel it.
Now, you haven't answered the question in my previous post. If you kill me, are you a terrorist?
Frustration, lack of basic rights, etc that you mentioned pushes people to the extreme. So, as much as I condemn the act of blowing yourself up and kill innocent people, I do understand a little about what is going on in their heads. Let me explain:
When a child sees his fathers body charred and beyond recognition, when he sees his mother being humiliated by army men at checkpoints, when he sees that his sister just died while pregnant and the army will not allow her to cross to the hospital, when the child see F-16 firing rockets at buildings and people and his/her friends are gone to pieces, then you will understand a little of why these people do what they do.
As for citizenships for Palestinians in other countries, I am totally against it. This is exactly what the occupation government want. Let them have a Lebanese or Jordanian citizenships and then they stop asking for their right of return.
The action of suicide bombers is ugly, but the actions of an occupier is even uglier. You just have to live it to feel it.
Now, you haven't answered the question in my previous post. If you kill me, are you a terrorist?
I thought the discussion was about the fact that I oppose to calling these people freedomfighters.
Now, I know that you have done things to me that aren't acceptable. But I don't kill your child, your parents or other familymembers not directly involved, right? :wink:
RE: Bomber
That was my answer moghrabi. On the other hand, I can not give you an answer, cause I don't know where you are heading to. So what you seem to imply is that every Israeli is the same person as the one taking over your house, and that's why, it's logical to kill any Israeli as a natural reaction? What do you mean moghrabi? Why not say it directly instead of using this metaphore?
That was my answer moghrabi. On the other hand, I can not give you an answer, cause I don't know where you are heading to. So what you seem to imply is that every Israeli is the same person as the one taking over your house, and that's why, it's logical to kill any Israeli as a natural reaction? What do you mean moghrabi? Why not say it directly instead of using this metaphore?
RE: Bomber
I am not saying every Israeli. It is the government that is to blame. But when these things happen as I mentioned earlier, the bombers do not think about the difference between you and your government. They go nuts and it becomes a natural reaction to them. Period.
By the way, most of my good friends are the good Israeli ones. LOL
I am not saying every Israeli. It is the government that is to blame. But when these things happen as I mentioned earlier, the bombers do not think about the difference between you and your government. They go nuts and it becomes a natural reaction to them. Period.
By the way, most of my good friends are the good Israeli ones. LOL
I'm not denying these people are not able to see the difference between a government and an average Israeli. However, I would still call them terrorists. Because what they do is wrong. "Freedomfighter" seems to imply that it's something good.
RE: Bomber
When the Israeli army shoots to kill, uses 1 ton bombs in residential areas, when they assassinate people, when randomly attack a town. Is it justifiable or is it the same as suicide bombers? Both are terror.
If one is doing it with planes and trains
the other is doing it with bodies and brains.
Now I am a poet...
When the Israeli army shoots to kill, uses 1 ton bombs in residential areas, when they assassinate people, when randomly attack a town. Is it justifiable or is it the same as suicide bombers? Both are terror.
If one is doing it with planes and trains
the other is doing it with bodies and brains.
Now I am a poet...
Meaning? That if suicidebombers blowing themselves up in Israel can force the Israeli government to adjust their policy which will mean positive things for the Palestinians, the suicidebombers can go on with what they are doing because "the end justifies the means"? Or am I talking nonsense now?
Re: RE: Bomber
Don't you think that if the suicide bombings worked as a strategy, things would have gotten better all this time instead of worse?
Violence is never a solution.
moghrabi said:
Don't you think that if the suicide bombings worked as a strategy, things would have gotten better all this time instead of worse?
Violence is never a solution.
RE: Bomber
I agree. Violence is not a solution. But why do we always blame the weak against the strong. Why are we blaming the Palestinians instead of Israeli action against them.
Suicide bombings never work as a strategy and terrorizing the Palestinians by using excessive force will not work as a strategy either. It hadn't worked for the past 50 years. To the contrary, it is breading more suicide bombers. Don't you agree? Things are not getting any better. Both have to give the other.
I agree. Violence is not a solution. But why do we always blame the weak against the strong. Why are we blaming the Palestinians instead of Israeli action against them.
Suicide bombings never work as a strategy and terrorizing the Palestinians by using excessive force will not work as a strategy either. It hadn't worked for the past 50 years. To the contrary, it is breading more suicide bombers. Don't you agree? Things are not getting any better. Both have to give the other.