Britannia to rule the waves after Brexit

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The Royal Yacht Britannia should be recommissioned and used to secure trade deals after the Brexit vote, dozens of MPs, former ministers and a senior former aide to the Queen say.

The politicians back a campaign by the Telegraph and call for the return of the “incredible” vessel, which was put out of service in 1997 by Tony Blair’s government after 43 years.

Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, is understood to be considering a detailed proposal to return the yacht to the seas.

Sources said he sees it as "a great symbol of global Britain".

MPs in favour of the plans believe it would boost links with the Commonwealth.

During her career as Royal Yacht, Britannia conveyed the Queen, other members of the Royal Family and various dignitaries on 696 foreign visits and 272 visits in British waters. In this time, Britannia steamed 1,087,623 nautical miles

Bring back Britannia to rule the waves after Brexit



The Royal Yacht Britannia, in service between 1954 and 1997, should be recommissioned and used to secure trade deals after the Brexit vote, officials say. Credit: Tim Rooke / Rex Features/Tim Rooke / Rex Features


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Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent
16 September 2016
The Telegraph

The Royal Yacht Britannia should be recommissioned and used to secure trade deals after the Brexit vote, dozens of MPs, former ministers and a senior former aide to the Queen say.

The politicians back a campaign by the Telegraph and call for the return of the “incredible” vessel, which was put out of service in 1997 by Tony Blair’s government.

Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, is understood to be considering a detailed proposal to return the yacht to the seas.

Sources said he sees it as "a great symbol of global Britain".

MPs in favour of the plans believe it would boost links with the Commonwealth.


Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh landing from the Royal Yacht Britannia to begin their two day visit to Australia's island state of Tasmania in 1963. Credit: PA/PA


Between 1991 and 1995, it is estimated that the yacht helped secure £3billion of trade deals as world leaders and business figures clamoured to attend receptions hosted on the vessel.

Three former trade ministers have backed the move, while around 20 backbenchers are said to have given their initial support.

Richard Needham, who was minister of trade from 1992 and 1995 and led four overseas trade missions on the yacht, said: “Britannia was an incredible benefit in terms of trade promotion.

“It was wonderful, absolutely wonderful. I remember having her in Cape Town, the floodlighting of Table Top mountain behind her, the band of the Royal Marines.”


The Royal Yacht Britannia receives the final touches before opening to the public, Edinburgh, 31st January, 2012. Credit: Universal News and Sport/Universal News and Sport


Lord Heseltine, who as President of the Board of Trade from 1992 to 1995 fought hard against the decision to axe Britannia, said: “We made a great mistake in not replacing Britannia in the 1990s. That remains my view.

“She was a symbol of many things about this country we have now not got. It was the wrong decision but I full understood the pressures on the Government of which I was a member. In the internal debate I wanted to replace it.”

Calls for the recommissioning follow the vote to leave the EU, with Britain soon having to secure its own trade deals and forge a new relationship with the rest of the world.


The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh leave the Royal Yacht Britannia for the last time in Portsmouth in 1997. Credit: John Stillwell/EMPICS Sports Photo Agency


The Queen was visibly upset when the yacht was decomissioned in 1997


Jake Berry, the Tory MP for Rossendale and Darwen, is behind the plan and has secured a debate in Parliament next month to gain support.

Two options are being considered – recommissioning the original yacht, which is currently berthed in Edinburgh as a tourist attraction, or ordering a replica.

Given concerns over the costs of the venture to the taxpayer, Mr Berry is looking into a campaign to raise funds that would not include asking for public money.

Donors from across the Commonwealth would be approached, with a Canadian figure said to have offered £10m to fund a previous drive for recommissioning.

Dickie Arbiter, a press secretary for the Queen for 12 years, told the Telegraph that recommissioning the Britannia was a “good idea” that should be investigated.


Calls are made to bring back the Royal Yacht Britannia. Credit: Katielee Arrowsmith,HEMEDIA,/Katielee Arrowsmith,HEMEDIA

He said: “All the Royals were fond of it. It was a kind of home for home. It was used from 1954 - that’s a long time. It wasn’t a play thing for the Royals, far from it. It was an operational vehicle.”

Lord Jones of Birmingham, a trade minister in Gordon Brown's Government and former director general of the CBI, told the Telegraph: "When I was Trade Minister I was amazed how many overseas contacts asked me why we ever got rid of Britannia.

"It was such a useful weapon in the armoury when fighting for export orders and inward investment."


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She's rather long in the tooth. Try building a new one with modern systems and power plant. The age of steam and stokers has long passed.
 

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She's rather long in the tooth. Try building a new one with modern systems and power plant.

There was talk back in 2012 of a brand new Britannia for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, but there's not been much mention if it since.

Britannia CAN rule the waves! Cameron and senior royals back the Mail's campaign to replace Queen's yacht in honour of Diamond Jubilee - at no cost to taxpayers | Daily Mail Online

The age of steam and stokers has long passed.

That's not true.
 

Curious Cdn

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now thats a carbon footprint

No, it gets ALL over you!

There was talk back in 2012 of a brand new Britannia for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, but there's not been much mention if it since.

Britannia CAN rule the waves! Cameron and senior royals back the Mail's campaign to replace Queen's yacht in honour of Diamond Jubilee - at no cost to taxpayers | Daily Mail Online



That's not true.

Tell about your experience as a Marine Engineer.
 

Blackleaf

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No doubt. Tell us about the currency of steam propulsion, then.

Plenty of steam boats knocking about.

And the Royal Yacht Britannia is sitting up there in Edinburgh, unused for nearly 20 years, and rather than paying to build a new one we can just get her into service again.

Britain is a nation which still runs steam trains. So a boat running on steam when there are still lots of steam boats knocking about - like all those plying the lakes in the Lake District - will hardly be unusual.
 

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Plenty of steam boats knocking about.

And the Royal Yacht Britannia is sitting up there in Edinburgh, unused for nearly 20 years, and rather than paying to build a new one we can just get her into service again.

Britain is a nation which still runs steam trains. So a boat running on steam when there are still lots of steam boats knocking about - like all those plying the lakes in the Lake District - will hardly be unusual.

Those big boilers and Parsons turbines are hardly toodley steam boat engines.

Toot! Toot!

Yeah right. Got a couple of million quid a year to keep them from parboiling the engineering staff with superheated steam?

Your "TOOT! TOOT! little lake boats are to Brittania as a mototrcycle is to a power plant.

p.s. The Royal Navy crews that could operate an old steamer like that are long retired.
 
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Blackleaf

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Those big boilers and Parsons turbines are hardly toodley steam boat engines.

Toot! Toot!

Yeah right. Got a couple of million quid a year to keep them from parboiling the engineering staff with superheated steam?

Your "TOOT! TOOT! little lake boats are to Brittania as a mototrcycle is to a power plant.

Still steamboats. And if Britannia was still sailing under steam 20 years ago then there's nothing wrong in having her sailing under steam now.


Portugal is England's - and now the UK's - closest ally.

The Anglo-Portuguese Alliance (or Aliança Luso-Britânica), ratified at the Treaty of Windsor in 1386, between England (succeeded by the United Kingdom) and Portugal is the oldest alliance in the world that is still in force – with the earliest treaty dating back to the Anglo-Portuguese Treaty of 1373.

This alliance, which goes back to the Middle Ages, has served both countries. It was very important throughout history, influencing the participation of the United Kingdom in the Iberian Peninsular War, the UK's major land contribution to the Napoleonic Wars and the establishment of an Anglo-American base in Portugal. Portugal aided England and (and later the UK) in times of need, for example, in the First World War.

As recently as the Falklands War in 1982, Portugal gave Britain the use of the Azores for the Royal Navy.

It's a myth that the Americans are the closest allies of the British. The closest allies and friends of the British are the Portuguese, and vice versa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
 

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Azores?
ouch!
I suppose that's what friends are for

Best sit on the life jackets when it gets rough, if that's the case
 

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Just watched an interesting program on BBC Canada called "Inside Out." Part of it dealt with the surge of foreign buyers picking up London real Estate due to the decline in the pound and the drop in real estate sales since Brexit. Looks like the vote is actually having the opposite effect of what Brexit voters hoped for.

It was also interesting in that someone called Mark Littlewood, who supposedly is the head of something called the Institute of Economic Affairs, actually thinks that each Canadian province has a veto on where migrants and refugees end up. No idea where he got that misinformation from.
 

Danbones

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the real estate sales are bringing in hard currency and people who have money to spend as well...
one also has to consider the range of non brexit fluctuations over a long enough range to filter out the graphic noise...
for comparison purposes
 

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Just watched an interesting program on BBC Canada called "Inside Out." Part of it dealt with the surge of foreign buyers picking up London real Estate due to the decline in the pound and the drop in real estate sales since Brexit. Looks like the vote is actually having the opposite effect of what Brexit voters hoped for.

It was also interesting in that someone called Mark Littlewood, who supposedly is the head of something called the Institute of Economic Affairs, actually thinks that each Canadian province has a veto on where migrants and refugees end up. No idea where he got that misinformation from.

A weak pound will help British exporters and manufacturers.

A drop in house prices will help many people - particularly young, first-time buyers - afford to buy their new homes.

The EU is beneficial to almost none of its nation states' economies. Most EU member states are economic basketcases - as is the EU itself. In fact, the only continent that is growing slower than Europe is Antarctica. If the EU is good for a member state's economy, why are most of them economic basketcases?
 

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Britain is a banking center, and Is a WW corporate hub
you will do OK
 

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No, I'm not wrong.

The United States operates eight Algol-class vehicle cargo ships. These are steamships - and they are currently the fastest cargo ships in the world.



Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' shipbuilding division builds steam propulsion and has received eight orders for steam powered "Sayaendo"-series LNG carriers, including two in October 2011 from Osaka Gas International Transport and MOL and one in 2014 from NYK.