'No Camp, No Camp': Migrants Forced Off Train

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'No Camp, No Camp': Migrants Forced Off Train

Desperate migrants lie on train tracks in protest at being taken to a camp, as one family is wrestled off the ground by police.



Desperate migrants hoping to reach western Europe have been forced off a train by riot police in Hungary, as authorities try to take them to a holding camp.

Sky's Mark Stone, who was on the train originally bound for the Austrian border and is now on the platform at Bicske, said: "We have just witnessed the most awful, awful sight."

He described seeing a crying mother holding a baby and pleading with police on the platform in the town 22 miles (35km) outside Budapest.

The father, clearly overcome with emotion, then pulled his wife and child onto the tracks, before he was handcuffed and taken away.

The train, which earlier left Budapest's main railway station, was halted in Bicske, where there is a migrant reception centre.

Migrants, most of them from Syria, banged on train windows from the outside and shouted "No camp, no camp", while dozens of riot police looked on.

Dozens more lay on the tracks in protest against being taken to the camp, while others caught in the underpass pushed back dozens of riot police blocking the stairs to fight their way back to the train.

Those still on the train are demanding water as they sit at the station in the heat.

Earlier on Thursday, thousands of desperate migrants poured into Keleti station after it was reopened, forcing their way onto a train despite announcements that there was no service to western Europe.

The migrants, many of them fleeing conflict in the Middle East, pushed into the carriages and tried to cram their children through open windows.

The train that left Keleti, the first in two days after authorities closed the terminal, was initially thought to be heading to Sopron, a town near the Austrian border.

A Hungarian government spokesman earlier told Sky News the migrants would be taken to holding camps instead of being allowed to travel straight to western Europe.

Hundreds more of migrants remain at Keleti, and are waiting on crowded platforms for the next available trains.

Many boarded carriages even as loudspeakers said in English that the trains were not heading west.

An Austrian police spokesman said there are currently no services running from Budapest to Vienna, while a Hungarian government spokesman told Sky News that no international trains will be leaving Keleti for "safety reasons".

One migrant from Iraq, waiting at the station with his one-year-old child, told Sky's Europe Correspondent Mark Stone he had travelled for two weeks his home country, where he was fleeing "war, militias, thieves".

"I want to go to Germany, best in Europe," he said.

"Other countries are closed. Why can't we go?"

Amid the chaos, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said his country had done everything to stick to EU rules on border protection, and revealed the army will be deployed to defend Hungary's border with Serbia.

More than 150,000 migrants have travelled this year to Hungary, a gateway to the EU for those crossing by land from nations including Syria and Afghanistan, across Macedonia and Serbia.

Mr Orban, meeting European Union leaders in Brussels to discuss the crisis, said the migrants were "not a European problem", but a "German problem".

Berlin has agreed to take in some 800,000 migrants from Syria and the Middle East.

The PM's chief of staff also laid the blame at Germany, saying the chaotic situation at Keleti was because of Chancellor Angela Merkel's stance on Syrian migrants.

Keleti had been closed for two days, but migrants poured into the terminal on Thursday morning as police withdrew.

Thousands had slept outside the station waiting for it to reopen since it was closed on Tuesday.

On Wednesday, migrants had threatened to walk the 105 miles (170km) to the border with Austria if police would not allow them to get onto trains.

Last weekend, Hungary had allowed migrants to travel by train to western Europe without going through asylum procedures.

Trainloads of migrants arrived in Austria and Germany from Hungary on Monday as asylum rules collapsed under the strain of a wave of migration unprecedented in the EU.

However, Budapest's stance has since hardened, a fact demonstrated by the Keleti closure and plans to deploy the military.

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If you really want to save Syrian children, save Syria

The only way to save children like Aylan Kurdi is to go to war against the psychopaths they're fleeing. Everything else is just empty noise

A Turkish border guard carries the body of a migrant child after a number of migrants died and a smaller number were reported missing after boats carrying them to the Greek island of Kos capsized near the Turkish resort of Bodrum Photo: AP


By Julia Hartley-Brewer
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The image of a three-year-old Syrian boy lying dead, washed ashore on a Turkish beach, has shocked Britain.

The sight of Aylan Kurdi’s tiny limp body was undoubtedly a powerful and distressing image that brought home to many of us the stark realities of the refugee crisis that is on Europe’s doorstep.

The photograph, plastered across most of our front pages, has prompted calls for Britain to act to save more lives and to offer safe haven to thousands more refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.

But why?


Refugees at the Greek/Macedonian border Photo: Getty Images

That might sound like a bizarre, even heartless, question, but it is a question we need to answer before we can understand what we really need to do.

After all, this little boy is not the first child to die as a result of the chaos and bloodshed in the Middle East. He wasn’t even the only child among the dozen Syrians who drowned yesterday after their flimsy boat collapsed as they headed from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos.

And Aylan certainly won’t be the last Syrian child to die.

More than 210,000 Syrians are now estimated to have died since the violence in their country began in 2011, according to the the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. That figure includes at least 10,664 children.

Yet we didn’t wring our hands over each of their deaths. Why not?

Yes, of course seeing an image of a dead child is much more immediate and emotive than simply reading about it. Out of sight is out of mind.

There have, though, been plenty of equally horrific images of dead Syrian children in the media in recent years. We – and our politicians - have simply chosen to turn away from them.

The death on a Turkish beach is different from a death in Syria or in a refugee camp because, quite simply, Turkey is closer to home, and the little boy’s destination, Greece, is even more so. And because we know we could have done something to prevent it.


EU refugee crisis: Desperate refugees in Calais are trying all sorts of dangerous methods to get into Britain

The difference is not that now we have at long last seen the desperate plight of Syrian refugees for ourselves, so it has finally become real, but that now we have no choice but to admit it is real and coming closer every day.

In truth, if we are honest with ourselves, our horror at this image actually says less about our concern for this poor little boy and more about our concern for our own guilty consciences.

This, after all, is not the first time a harrowing image has prompted British people to demand our politicians act to save lives.

When Michael Buerk made his BBC news report about the plight of starving Ethiopians in 1984, it wasn’t the sight of skeletal African children – which we had been seeing for years - that suddenly made Britain sit up and take notice and want to do something about it. It was something quite different.

It was the sight of a white western nurse whose job it was, with only limited food stocks, to effectively “play God” and choose which children to feed, and which to leave to starve to death, that haunted us. That image prompted Band Aid, Live Aid and, at long last, a concerted western effort to save millions of lives.


Birhan Weldu became the face of the Live Aid concerts. She survived

So what do we need to do this time, to deal with this crisis? Unfortunately, this one is going to be rather harder to solve.

It is all very well wringing our hands and tweeting out hashtags about welcoming refugees, and maybe even sending some money to a relief charity, but that won’t deliver a safe and happy future for the many millions of Syrians – or the many millions more Iraqis, Afghans, Eritreans and others who are also fleeing violence in their home countries.

Even the practical suggestions like offering Syrian orphans safe passage will be just a drop in the ocean. Indeed, even if David Cameron agreed to allow an extra 10,000 or even 100,000 Syrian refuges to come to make their home in Britain, it would still not touch the sides of this epic human disaster.

Offering safe haven to a few thousand more refugees may well be a welcome break for those lucky enough to win that particular lottery, but what about the other millions who are in just as much need? What do we plan to do about them?

As much as our hearts may break when we look at the image of a drowned little boy, if we are not prepared to do anything about the reasons why his family felt that getting on that rickety boat to Greece was worth the risk, then it counts for nothing.

This refugee crisis is not going to be resolved until Britain and other western nations wake up and see the real picture: that we need to instigate military action to oust the psychopathic regimes and Islamic extremists who are forcing people like three-year-old Aylan and his family to flee their homes in their millions.

It will cost money and it will cost lives. What we have to decide now is whether we are willing to pay that high a price so that we don’t have to look at another photograph of a dead child washed up on a beach.

Everything else, I’m afraid, is just bleeding heart sentimentality.


If you really want to save Syrian children, save Syria - Telegraph

STEPHEN GLOVER: Before Germany lectures us about refugees, perhaps it should reflect on its own past

By Stephen Glover for the Daily Mail
3 September 2015
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According to a spokesperson for Angela Merkel (pictured), Britain is jeopardising its relations with Germany by refusing to take more refugees

Doubtless it is small-minded of me, but when the German government starts lecturing the British Government about proper behaviour, my immediate reaction is not always very positive. This is perhaps particularly the case when those lectures are on the subject of immigration.

According to Stephan Mayer, a right-of-centre spokesman on home affairs for Angela Merkel, Britain is jeopardising its relations with Germany by refusing to take in more asylum-seekers. The suggestion is that we are refusing to pull our weight, and have an ‘out-of-the-club’ mentality.

Many German politicians evidently take a similar view of our supposed meanness of spirit, as do some German newspapers. Bild, the country’s biggest-selling title, has published a photograph of David Cameron under the headline: ‘The slackers of Europe — they take far fewer refugees than they could.’

Persecution


Do they have a point? Only a very tiny one. Historically, Britain has had a much more open-minded attitude towards genuine refugees than Germany. And while it is true that Germany is now shouldering by far the biggest burden, do not assume its motivations are entirely selfless.

We needn’t dwell too long on the Huguenots (some 50,000 Protestant refugees escaping from Catholic France in the late 17th century) or the Jews (about 80,000 fleeing from Hitler’s Germany in the 1930s) to make the point that this country has traditionally had a heart, though it’s certainly true we wrongly turned many Jews away.

Nor need we spend a great deal of time reflecting on the 120,000 or so Jews who escaped pogroms and persecution in Eastern Europe at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, and found a home in Britain.

In modern times, Germany has not exactly covered itself in glory so far as immigrants are concerned. During the 1960s and 1970s — long before re-unification — West Germany sucked in hundreds of thousands of so-called Gastarbeiter from countries such as Turkey and Yugoslavia to supply labour for its booming economy.

Gastarbeiter means ‘guest worker’ — and that is exactly what they remained. They were not given citizenship for many years, if at all, and only limited attempts were made to integrate these foreigners.

Britain, by contrast, conferred full citizenship on immigrants from former colonies during the same period, and at least made some efforts to integrate them. In 1972 some 30,000 Ugandan Asians were taken in by Britain virtually overnight after they had been expelled by Idi Amin.

So I humbly submit that, before they climb into their pulpits to deliver a withering dressing-down, German politicians might care to reflect that Britain has a pretty good record in welcoming immigrants, including refugees, while Germany does not obviously have much to crow about.

Moreover, Germany’s readiness to accept a greater number of asylum-seekers — I here draw a distinction between these people and migrants in general — is of very recent vintage. During the first decade of this century, Britain, with its smaller population, admitted slightly more asylum seekers.


German newspaper Bild published a photograph of David Cameron with a headline labelling Britain the 'slackers of Europe'

Now, of course, the tables have been suddenly turned inasmuch as Germany has said it will accept 800,000 asylum-seekers and refugees this year, while Britain is reluctant to take more than a handful. But this decision must be seen in the context of the two countries’ different experiences of mass immigration.

Broadly speaking, Germany and Britain have similar proportions of foreign-born people — 12.2 per cent and 12.5 per cent respectively.

But in recent years Germany has been actively encouraging immigrants. Britain, while absorbing similar inflows, has been more ambivalent about the process.

The main reason is that Germany has a declining birth rate and a falling population. This stood at 82.21 million in 2000; despite high levels of immigration, it had fallen to 80.76 million by 2014. During the same period, Britain’s population soared from 58.89 million to 64.3 million. On present trends, the population of this country will exceed that of Germany by the middle of the century.

This explains, in large measure, why Germany seems almost eager to welcome new migrants, while often not troubling too much as to whether they are asylum-seekers or economic migrants. The German economy needs to boost its working-age population.

Britain, on the other hand, though certainly having an appetite for cheap foreign labour, is acutely aware of the effects on housing and public services, such as schools and hospitals, of a rapidly rising population largely fuelled by immigration. Only last week we learnt that net immigration to this country in the 12 months to March was an all-time record of 330,000.


Only last week was it revealed that net immigration to Britain in the 12 months to March was an all-time record of 330,000. Pictured, Syrian refugees waiting to cross the Macedonian/Greek border


That is why the Government is so reluctant to accept large numbers of asylum-seekers. The needs of the two countries are very different, and finger-wagging German politicians should show more awareness of that fact.

Desperate


As it happens, I am in instinctive sympathy with the suggestion by Yvette Cooper, surely the most plausible of Labour’s would-be leaders, that the British Government should agree to accept 10,000 bona fide refugees, if someone would only take the time and trouble to weed them out from economic migrants. It seems the decent and humane thing to do — and very much in our tradition of helping those in desperate straits.

But can a country which is already taking in more immigrants than is manageable — so much so that immigration now ranks as people’s number one concern, above even the economy — add to numbers which have already run far beyond the Government’s intentions?

Here, of course, our German friends miss another point — which is that European Union rules about the free movement of labour mean we have lost control of our borders — and as a result our moral choices have become clouded.

If the British people were given a choice, would they rather offer a home to genuine Syrian refugees fleeing a terrible war, or to Romanian and Bulgarian migrants (50,000 of them in the year to March) drawn here by the prospect of higher wages and, in some cases, generous welfare payments?

Browbeating


My vote would be strongly with the refugees. The trouble is that too many years of uncontrolled immigration — and the inability of politicians of all parties to curb it — have disenchanted many people, and left them anxious about migrants of every shape and size.


Migrants in Hungary walk along a railway while crossing the Serbian border near Roszke village


In truth, the German politicians who lecture David Cameron are really browbeating the British people, for there can be little doubt that in his reluctance to accept more asylum-seekers, the Prime Minister is reflecting the fears of the majority of ordinary voters.

But I don’t believe the British are mean-spirited or xenophobic or racist. Most of them just feel there has been too much immigration, and these sceptics include many recent immigrants and their descendants.

German politicians are trying to place themselves on the moral high ground, and to shame us. I’ve argued that in view of Germany’s recent history they might be a little more cautious about delivering moral homilies, and that their apparent generosity towards refugees is at least in part driven by economic self-interest.

Nor do I think there is any need for us to lapse into self-loathing. We’ve provided a safe haven for many thousands of refugees over the years, and I’m sure we will do so again. Looking across the Channel, I’d say we had less cause than most to hang our heads in shame.

The truth about German claims and the real numbers Britain takes: JAMES SLACK'S analysis of the migrant crisis

By James Slack for the Daily Mail
3 September 2015
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In Whitehall, there is deep irritation at the attempt by Germany to present Britain as a country which does not take its fair share of asylum seekers.

In the 2000s, Britain, which has a smaller population, consistently processed more claims than Germany – including 103,081 in 2002 alone.

Indeed, there were so many applications that the system run by the last Labour Government almost collapsed under the strain.


Around 3,000 migrants are currently waiting at Keleti station in Budapest with many camping outside the main entrance after being told they could not board trains to Germany without valid documents


The migrants have taken cover in the underground passage near to the station as they await their fate

Between 2006 and 2010, despite numbers in the UK beginning to fall, we still accepted almost 10,000 more claimants over the five-year period than the German authorities.

It’s also a fact that numbers in the UK are again beginning to rise. Some 32,344 adults and their dependants applied in 2014, the highest annual number since 2004.

In the first quarter of 2015, the figure was 7,435.

There is also some scepticism inside Whitehall over Germany’s claim that it will take 800,000 asylum seekers this year.

In the first three months, it received 83,130 applications and, even with the scale of the current crisis, the numbers arriving would need to increase dramatically.

Officials also point out that, while Germany seeks to focus attention on Syrian refugees, they have been making up only around a fifth of claims.


Syrian migrants climb down a steep embankment to a railroad track that will lead them to a crossing on the Greek-Macedonian border


Officers look on as a group of migrants, including children, women and families, arrive in Roszke village, southern Hungary

Historically, Germany has received more asylum seekers from Kosovo, Albania and Serbia.

Much of the criticism of the Home Office centres on the so-called ‘vulnerable persons relocation scheme’, which critics point out has given refugee status to only 187 people.

But officials point out this is a specific route to the UK that prioritises victims of sexual violence and torture, the elderly and disabled and allows them to apply from overseas.

To ask the public to accept tens of thousands of refugees on top of this – at a time when concern about immigration has never been higher – would be a very difficult ‘sell’ indeed for David Cameron

Syrians continue to be able to claim asylum in the normal way after reaching the UK and, since 2011, around 5,000 claims have been approved, including 1,000 last year.

Very few genuine Syrians (people from other countries increasingly claim to be from Syria to boost their chances of success, having destroyed their papers), are turned down.

Nobody disputes that, currently, Germany is accepting larger numbers of applications. But, crucially, the political situation in the two countries could hardly be more different.

As Migrationwatch chairman Lord Green of Deddington argues, based on last year’s rate of 330,000 net migration, our total population would grow by three million every five years.

To ask the public to accept tens of thousands of refugees on top of this – at a time when concern about immigration has never been higher – would be a very difficult ‘sell’ indeed for David Cameron.

In Germany, by contrast, the low birth rate means that its population would fall by 25 per cent by mid-century if it had no net migration.

Within the UK, England is also nearly twice as crowded as Germany and has more migrants per population.

According to a report published by the House of Commons library yesterday, 12.5 per cent of the population was born overseas. The figure for Germany is 12.2 per cent.
 
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Europe will soon be a muslim country if they are not careful.


Europe isn't a country. It's a continent.

What's hard to believe, though, is that here in Bolton I am closer to Budapest (1,298 miles separating the two) than someone in Vancouver is from Winnipeg (1,437 miles separating the two), yet I think Bolton and Budapest are far different culturally, linguistically and historically than Vancouver and Winnipeg are.


1,297.8 miles


1,437.0 mi
 

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Nah... not even close. Britain and the EU... you are within a few years of flipping. Look at your own cities in England.

Not even close? Your PRESIDENT is Muslim.

By 2050, Islam will have overtaken Judaism as America's second-biggest religion.
 

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Is that a problem or are you just prejudiced?

Not for me, it isn't. Thankfully, my Head of State can't be anything but Church of England. Unlike America, Britain isn't going to get a Muzzie Head of State anytime soon.


OK, Einstein, perhaps you can enlighten us out in the colony as to the definition of EU!
The EU is not Europe. Europe is merely a continent.

You can't get a more simple definition than that.
 

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How Britain puts the rest of the EUSSR to shame when it comes to giving aid to Syrian refugees.

As usual, it seems that it's Britain and America doing the most to help. America is the only country that gives more than Britain in total to help Syrian refugees, but still gives less than Britain on a per head basis.

Figures are a slap in the face to EUSSR "allies" who claim Britain is not doing enough to help.

British aid to refugees smashes through £1BILLION as Cameron boasts UK is spending more than any EU country


UK has given a total of £920million in aid to Syrian refugees since 2011

Only the United States has given more to hep with the humanitarian effort

Cameron hits back at EU leaders who accused him of not doing enough


By Matt Chorley, Political Editor for MailOnline
5 September 2015
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David Cameron today announced Britain is increasing its aid for Syrian refugees to more than £1billion as he hit back at claims that he was refusing to act.

The Prime Minister pointed to figures showing that the UK has already given more than £920million to the humanitarian effort - more than Germany, Netherlands, France, Italy, Hungary, Austria and Poland COMBINED.

He pledged an extra £100million, making it the UK's biggest ever response to a humanitarian crisis.

Only the United States has given more, with some of Mr Cameron's biggest critics in Europe giving a fraction of the funds from British taxpayers.


Only the United States has given more to the humanitarian effort in Syria since 2011 than the UK, according to the Financial Tracking Service

Official figures show that since 2011, the UK has given £918million and pledged a further £1.5million in aid to deal with the impact of violence in Syria which has displaced millions of people.

The figure is much higher than the £633million paid by Germany, and dwarfs the likes of France (£70million), Spain (£21million) and Hungary (£485,000).

Today Mr Cameron went further to announce an increase in Britain's aid spending. Speaking later in Madrid, the PM said that admitting refugees 'can only ever be part of the answer' to the migration crisis and that a comprehensive approach was needed, including using aid to alleviate suffering in the countries which migrants come from.



"No other European country has come close to this level of support"
Prime Minister David Cameron


'We are already the second-largest bilateral donor of aid to the Syrian conflict, and today I can announce that we will provide a further £100 million, taking our total contribution to over £1 billion,' said Mr Cameron.

'That is the UK's largest ever response to a humanitarian crisis. No other European country has come close to this level of support.

'£60 million of this additional funding will go to help Syrians still in Syria. The rest will go to neighbouring countries, to Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, where Syrian refugees now account for one-quarter of the population.

'Britain's aid is supporting these camps. If we were not doing that, the numbers attempting the dangerous journey to Europe would be far, far higher.'


Britain's £920million contribution is more than all of Europe combined except Germany, and dwarfs the sums given by some of David Cameron's biggest critics


Mr Cameron's remarks will be seen as a pointed rebuke to EU leaders who have accused Britain of not doing enough to help tackle the refugee crisis. France, whose economy is just slightly smaller than Britain's, has given less than little Denmark and Sweden

It came as Mr Cameron promised Britain would welcome 'thousands' of Syrians living in UN refugee camps as he stepped up efforts to tackle the crisis.

The Prime Minister vowed that 'Britain will act with its head and its heart' as he announced plans to dramatically expand a scheme to resettle over 10 times more refugees in the UK.

But crucially, he ruled out playing any part in an EU quota scheme and there will be no move to accept any of the thousands of people who have reached Europe already.

Mr Cameron used a visit to Portugal today to set out a commitment to take 'thousands more' people.

Details of the plan are still being thrashed out, after Downing Street was caught off guard by the extraordinary public and political reaction to harrowing images of three-year-old Ayan Kurdi who died with his brother and mother trying to reach the Greek island of Kos.

In Lisbon, Mr Cameron said: 'We have already accepted around 5000 Syrians and we have introduced a specific resettlement scheme, alongside those we already have, to help those Syrian refugees particularly at risk.

'As I said earlier this week, we will accept thousands more under these existing schemes and we keep them under review.

'And given the scale of the crisis and the suffering of the people, today I can announce that we will do more – providing resettlement for thousands more Syrian refugees.'

He said the policy of taking those from the refugee camps would 'provide them with a direct and safe route to the UK, rather than risking the hazardous journey which has cost so many have lives'.


Mr Cameron announced the plans after holding talks with Portugese Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho in Lisbon

It is understood that the number will be in the 'thousands not the tens of thousands' and will see an expansion in a scheme which offers refuge to the most vulnerable fleeing violence in Syria.

Mr Cameron added: 'We know that many are Syrians fleeing the conflict that has raged across their country, killing over 220,000 and forcing more than 11 million people to flee their homes.

'They now face two enemies at home - Assad and ISIL. Britain has a moral responsibility to help refugees as we have done throughout our history.

'We already are providing sanctuary and we will continue to do so.'

The remarks will be seen as a pointed rebuke to EU leaders who have accused Britain of not doing enough to help tackle the refugee crisis.

Germany, Austria and Italy warning that Britain's refusal to take more refugees was causing serious harm to Mr Cameron's chances of renegotiating EU membership before Britain's EU in/out referendum.

'When I think of the British, who have their own catalogue of demands, why should we do anything for them? Because, you have to say, solidarity is not a one-way street.'

Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban today warned the influx of Muslim migrants was threatening 'Christian roots' and would leave Europeans a 'minority on their own continent'.

Mr Orban described the wave of refugees as 'endless' and warned that 'many tens of millions' more would come if the EU did not protect its borders.
 
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Not sure sure what's worse - a country being flooded by Catholics or a country being flooded by Muslims.
 

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I'd rather Catholics, at least they don't want convert you, behead you or bomb the crap out of innocent citizens

You never lived in Britain at the height of the Troubles.

Catholics and Muslims are the same - murderous thugs who bomb innocents when they don't get their own, nefarious way.