US relies on French warship amid fears of British military decline

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US relies on French warship amid fears of British military decline



The US is relying on a French aircraft carrier in Gulf operations because the UK currently lacks carrier capacity, according to reports.

The French navy’s flagship – the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle – will fill the gap left when the USS Theodore Roosevelt ends its current tour with the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet in the autumn.

The first of Britain’s two new Queen Elizabeth carriers is not expected to enter into service until 2017, and questions remain over whether or not the F-35 combat aircraft which are meant to operate from the ships will be available.

Some military experts say the move reflects a British retreat from its global role that defines its so-called “special relationship” with the US.

Speaking to The Times newspaper, William Galston, of the Brookings Institution think tank, said: “The fear that the UK may no longer be in that exceptional category is palpable in Washington.”

The US has increasingly aired its concerns about Britain’s military capacity and its willingness to tie itself to American global strategy, as it has done since the Second World War.

News that the US will welcome the French warship, even as the American military continues its air war campaign over Iraq and Syria, comes just over a week after UK Chancellor George Osborne signaled he would press ahead with military budget cuts of £1 billion.

The move could end Britain’s ability to meet the symbolic contribution of 2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) required of NATO member states – a topic of debate in the run-up to last month’s general election.

One Ministry of Defense (MoD) insider warned the Times at the time that defense austerity, applied to this extent, would “not be a thing you could just swallow and carry on.”

The issue has also been subject to repeated interventions by senior US figures, including President Barack Obama.

The president is reported to have again pressured Cameron on spending at this weekend’s G7 summit of industrialized nations, stressing the importance of the UK and US as the “twin pillars” of NATO.

source: http://rt.com/uk/265699-uk-french-carrier-us/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

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Even the brits know their fleet is pathetic.

They were drooling over the USS Roosevelt when it stopped in England.
 

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I guess this could spell the end of Blackie's paper navy. Should have used a 3D printer, at least they could have had a few scale models instead of just wallpaper.
 

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The US wouldn't need to worry about this if their naval strength was still over 600 ships, as it was under Reagan, than the current 300 ships under BHO.
 

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The US wouldn't need to worry about this if their naval strength was still over 600 ships, as it was under Reagan, than the current 300 ships under BHO.

OR the rest of NATO could pick up the slack. Or even the Un for that matter. Oh wait the UN has pretty much been overrun by countries that are opposed to our way of life and creating a better future.
 

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And we should be concerned about how American leaders perceive their allies capabilities why?


American leaders have, for some time, proven to be so far off the freak'n mark on just about every portfolio from foreign policy to domestic affairs so as to give their opinion on anything as much relevance as a three year old's dissertation on the chewability of a ju-jube.


America fuggs up and the ROW should build a stronger military to compensate? Howbout; if they fugg up the middle east THEYFIXIT?


Osama; a Saudi terrorist trained and created by the CIA funded by Saudis using Saudi terrorists to take down two buildings killing 3500 American and other citizens and yet the Saudi Royal Family are the only Royal family not disparaged insultingly by Americans ....go figure!


"You broke it, you bought it" only a concept that works in a theoretical capitalistic democracy?
 

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Do the ships have their barrels pointing backwards like with most of their tanks once they enter the killing zone?

OR the rest of NATO could pick up the slack. Or even the Un for that matter. Oh wait the UN has pretty much been overrun by countries that are opposed to our way of life and creating a better future.
That would be a better future for about 5 nations and the other 195 can go fuk themselves. If the security council had their vote taken away and they were just the enforcers of policy rather than the policy makers and enforcer to boot then the world would be much better off for it and if the citizens had to be the ones being exposed to enforcements then the odds are high that there would be a lot less conflicts and zero proxy armies and the deceptions that go along with that.
 

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Even the brits know their fleet is pathetic.

They were drooling over the USS Roosevelt when it stopped in England.

Compared with whom? The U.S., who have about five times their population?
 

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And we should be concerned about how American leaders perceive their allies capabilities why?


American leaders have, for some time, proven to be so far off the freak'n mark on just about every portfolio from foreign policy to domestic affairs so as to give their opinion on anything as much relevance as a three year old's dissertation on the chewability of a ju-jube.


America fuggs up and the ROW should build a stronger military to compensate? Howbout; if they fugg up the middle east THEYFIXIT?


Osama; a Saudi terrorist trained and created by the CIA funded by Saudis using Saudi terrorists to take down two buildings killing 3500 American and other citizens and yet the Saudi Royal Family are the only Royal family not disparaged insultingly by Americans ....go figure!


"You broke it, you bought it" only a concept that works in a theoretical capitalistic democracy?
Worked beautifully under Reagan.
 

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The US is relying on a French aircraft carrier in Gulf operations because the UK currently lacks carrier capacity, according to reports.

The French navy’s flagship – the aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle – will fill the gap left when the USS Theodore Roosevelt ends its current tour with the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet in the autumn.
Britain will soon have a permanent carrier capability involving supercarriers. The French, with just one (sh*tty) carrier, only have a part-time one. Because they have no such carrier capability whenever the Charles de Gaulle goes into refit or breaks down again.

The move could end Britain’s ability to meet the symbolic contribution of 2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) required of NATO member states – a topic of debate in the run-up to last month’s general election.
France is already below that 2% mark. Last year, Britain spent 2.1% of its GDP on defence, whereas France spent 1.8%.

What Britain should be doing is slashing its foreign aid budget. Whilst the government continues to cut the defence budget it has, inexplicably, through reasons which remain a mystery, decided to RING-FENCE foreign aid spending at 0.7% of GDP, and may even INCREASE it. Foreign "aid" spending which, of course, mainly goes into the pockets of the dictators who rule the countries the money is sent to. That 0.7% of GDP going to foreign aid should be slashed and then spent on defence, increasing the defence budget. It's common sense to some people (like Ukip) but not to the Liberal Establishment (which even the Tories nowadays are part of) which runs Britain.

MAX HASTINGS: The madness of reducing our Armed Forces to a ferry service for migrants


By Max Hastings for the Daily Mail
9 June 2015

This was an image for our time: aboard a British warship, the amphibious support vessel Bulwark, a sailor shakes hands with one of 1,200 economic migrants rescued from waterlogged boats off the coast of Libya.

Congratulations. The man has made it. Within a month of being set ashore in Sicily, in all likelihood he will have joined thousands thronging the camps of Calais, en route to a new life in Britain.

Here is another proud moment for the Royal Navy. The ship’s captain said yesterday: ‘There are two tales here. The sorrowful tales of these people … telling terrible stories of what they are leaving behind. On the other side is the success. We are managing to save very significant numbers.’


This was an image for our time: aboard a British warship, the amphibious support vessel Bulwark, a sailor shakes hands with one of 1,200 economic migrants rescued from waterlogged boats off the coast of Libya


Posturing

At first sight, no one could question the virtue of preserving human lives. Yet I’d wager that a large proportion of British people who saw the photographs from Bulwark asked: is it the rightful function of the Royal Navy to provide a ferry service for migrants eager to come to Britain?

The people lifted from the Mediterranean yesterday were not distressed mariners. Almost all left their own countries voluntarily because they found life there appalling, as indeed it is in large swathes of Africa and the Middle East.

They then paid people-traffickers on the North African coast to purchase a passage to Europe aboard some leaky, overloaded craft, unfit to bear a fishing party out of Ramsgate.

Thousands have already perished on such voyages. Now, several European nations feel obliged to save others from the consequences of their desperation. National leaders would say that to do otherwise is to stand condemned for inhumanity before the world.

Yet the only plausible outcome of this policy is to hasten the flow of people making the journey.


I’d wager that a large proportion of British people who saw the photographs from Bulwark asked: is it the rightful function of the Royal Navy to provide a ferry service for migrants eager to come to Britain?



HMS Bulwark


Millions of people in Africa and the Middle East despair of their own societies and seek new lives in rich and peaceful Europe. They are already imposing huge social problems on Italy and Greece, first destinations for most. If this continues, the implications for the whole continent are terrifying.

We cannot blame Bulwark’s commander for speaking enthusiastically about the ‘success’ of his ship’s humanitarian mission. But we can ask hard questions of a Government that simultaneously maintains a bloated foreign aid budget, deploys a warship close to the Libyan shore to assist migrants and cuts the defence budget beyond the bone.

Once upon a time, it was an article of faith that Tory governments adopted prudent defence policies, while Labour ones played fast and loose.


The people lifted from the Mediterranean yesterday (including this boy pictured) were not distressed mariners. Almost all left their own countries voluntarily because they found life there appalling


Today, instead, we see the Cameron administration apparently content to breach the NATO guideline of spending a minimum of 2 per cent of national GDP on the Armed Forces. On present policies, that percentage will fall to 1.88 next year and 1.7 by 2020.

Meanwhile, in the last parliament, David Cameron presided over the passage of a law ring-fencing spending on foreign aid, currently £12 billion.

The Government’s Department for International Development distributes much of its budget — taxpayers’ money — through non-transparent aid charities, and to some grotesque beneficiaries, including newly-rich India.

Mr Cameron now says more aid will be channelled to the countries from which Mediterranean migrants come, to help keep those people at home.

Given the level of corruption, waste and incompetence which seems inseparable from aid distribution, it is hard to believe this will do much to halt the flow of refugees from south and east to north and west.

Under the Coalition, the Prime Minister was forgiven for his limp-wristed foreign and defence policies, because he could claim to be a prisoner of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem partners. Today this fig-leaf is gone. The Tories govern alone, and they need to show a clarity of thought and purpose that has hitherto been absent.

Cameron used to make the case for strong Armed Forces, and at last year’s Cardiff NATO summit reproached some other European nations for falling below the 2pc spending target. He led the 2010 Western charge into Libya. Had not Parliament imposed a veto, he would also have launched a military intervention in Syria.

He uses language carelessly when talking of foreign threats, calling the menace posed by Western African jihadists ‘existential’ and that of IS ‘mortal’, both of which propositions are nonsense.

He said that the only alternative to authorising air strikes against IS was to ‘walk on by’, then seemed content that Britain proved capable of deploying just four old RAF Tornados to fulfil its share of the mission.

Foolish



The Royal Navy will have no aircraft carrier until 2017, and even then will be stuck with a wildly unsuitable giant, commissioned by Gordon Brown to provide work for Scottish shipyards


Today, with Putin rampant in Ukraine, Britain’s Armed Forces are less than half their 1983 size in soldiers, ships and aircraft. The Royal Navy will have no aircraft carrier until 2017, and even then will be stuck with a wildly unsuitable giant, commissioned by Gordon Brown to provide work for Scottish shipyards.

It was reported yesterday that this has forced the Americans to turn to France to fill a hole in U.S. capabilities in the Gulf, because we have no carrier to send in support.

The Army, already down to 84,000 men, is braced for a further reduction in strength following George Osborne’s next round of spending cuts.

Only the replacement of the Trident nuclear deterrent is assured. Most strategic gurus think this foolish, given Britain’s reduced role in the world, but all prime ministers seem to regard Trident as an indispensable symbol of their own importance.

Nobody sane proposes that we should today commit troops to fight Putin in Ukraine. But one of the most vivid lessons of history is that only nations fit to fight can hope to deter aggression.


The British Army, already down to 84,000 men, is braced for a further reduction in strength following George Osborne’s next round of spending cuts


Britain’s Armed Forces are threadbare, and no amount of sentimental posturing at Tory Party conferences about ‘our wonderful fighting men and women’ should be allowed to conceal that fact.

Powerless


Morale among soldiers, sailors and airmen is low because the evidence suggests they are at the mercy of a Government which cares little for them.

What should Cameron be doing? Army strength ought to remain at least at its present level. The pretence should be abandoned that reservists can substitute for axed regular soldiers. The Royal Navy should have more small, cheap, low-tech ships to address low-level threats, such as Somali pirates and drug-traffickers.


Air of authority: Michael Fallon (pictured) has the makings of a good Defence Secretary, who commands confidence in the Armed Forces as his predecessor, the robotic Philip Hammond, did not


We must spend more to protect Britain against the new peril of Russian and Chinese cyber-attacks — far more likely than a nuclear strike — without cutting our conventional Forces.

Michael Fallon has the makings of a good Defence Secretary, who commands confidence in the Armed Forces as his predecessor, the robotic Philip Hammond, did not. But Fallon is powerless without appropriate backing from the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

We need fewer Downing Street lunges into gesture strategy-making, and we must have a coherent view of where Britain is going and how it will defend its interests at home and abroad.

Professor Malcolm Chalmers, of the Royal United Services Institution, wrote in an authoritative recent study: ‘The UK’s ability to maintain its favourable strategic position is now facing a level of strain not seen since the end of the Cold War.’

Fishing economic migrants out of the Mediterranean is not the rightful duty of the Royal Navy. Such an intervention may create a photo-opportunity, but is unlikely to win much favour from the British people.

Read more: 'Reducing our Armed Forces to a ferry service for migrants is madness' | Daily Mail Online
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The Royal Navy will have no aircraft carrier until 2017, and even then will be stuck with a wildly unsuitable giant, commissioned by Gordon Brown to provide work for Scottish shipyards


Today, with Putin rampant in Ukraine, Britain’s Armed Forces are less than half their 1983 size in soldiers, ships and aircraft. The Royal Navy will have no aircraft carrier until 2017, and even then will be stuck with a wildly unsuitable giant, commissioned by Gordon Brown to provide work for Scottish shipyards.

It was reported yesterday that this has forced the Americans to turn to France to fill a hole in U.S. capabilities in the Gulf, because we have no carrier to send in support.


Foolish... unsuitable giant....... we've been saying that all along and these are the carriers you've been tooting your horn about.
 

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Can we get some pics of England when she down to a weeks worth of food at the start of WWII for America and whining that she needed help. Must be morally gratifying to know you now cause refugees to exist in high numbers, as long as they are Muslim, or black, or sitting on some valuable land. You would thing an intelligent group would park themselves above the resources rather than wage a perpetual war far from your island prison.
 

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Our defence cuts leave us looking feeble in the eyes of the world

We are appeasing our enemies and making the same mistakes as in the 1930s during the rise of Nazism



Hundreds of British troops and armoured vehicles congregate on Salisbury Plain. Photo: Richard Watt



By Admiral Sir Nigel Essenhigh
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Admiral Sir Nigel Essenhigh is a former First Sea Lord. His article reflects the views of his colleagues at the time, Admiral of the Fleet Lord Boyce, Field Marshal Lord Walker and Air Chief Marshal Sir Peter Squire

There are disquieting parallels between the situation that confronted our country some 90 years ago and that which now prevails. In the late Twenties and early Thirties, Britain was engulfed in revulsion at the horrors of the Great War and all but bankrupt as a result of it, as well as striving to recover from the Depression years. Despite the growing menace that Nazism presented to European stability, the notorious “Ten Year Rule” – which assumed that Britain would not be at war in the next decade – remained in force. The nation’s defences were progressively weakened, while calls for rearmament fell largely on deaf ears.

Against a widespread background of support for pacifism and appeasement, blind faith in collective security through the League of Nations was used to excuse unwillingness to grasp the nettle of rearmament, at least until it was nearly too late.

Today, although in very different circumstances, there are some uncomfortable similarities. For example, in the wake of unfinished business in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is currently little public appetite for further, significant military intervention abroad. Thus there is cover for our recent, feeble responses to events in the Middle East such as in Libya, Syria and once again in Iraq, as well as in the face of the exponential threat posed by Islamic State. The situation in Yemen is also deteriorating in a dangerous manner.


Cuts have left Britain without an aircraft carrier. The new HMS Queen Elizabeth will not be fully operational with a complement of F-35 jets until 2020.


Meanwhile, we watch as a resurgent Russia rattles an ever-larger sabre and, sanctions notwithstanding, acts with impunity in Crimea and Ukraine. This is the cause of a dark cloud of genuine apprehension in such countries as the Baltic States, where Nato and thus Britain has very real commitments.

Now, 90 years on and with burgeoning threats to world order, the UK again rightly places reliance on collective security, this time through its contributions to the UN and Nato – but, as then, does so while steadily weakening its own defence posture. Successive reductions have also seriously undermined our critical defence relationship with the United States, where many have deep concern about whether we really are the staunch ally that, traditionally, we have been. If taken much further, cuts to the level of our forces will also begin to unravel the credibility of nuclear deterrence, which relies in part on being the last resort when strong conventional defence has failed to deter.

My colleagues and I are experienced enough to understand that defence expenditure has to compete with other government spending priorities. We also appreciate that the UK’s post-Cold War focus on quality rather than quantity in defence has provided this nation with a much sounder military nucleus on which to build than was the case in the mid-Thirties.

Nevertheless, mentions of defence in the recent Queen’s Speech were relegated to the end and contained nothing specific, except to announce the Strategic Defence and Security Review that is now under way. Generalised comments such as the Government doing “whatever is necessary to ensure that our courageous Armed Forces can keep Britain safe” are welcome but, for example, there was nothing to indicate that even the current, inadequate levels in the defence budget will be maintained. Indeed, there are signs that lack of resources is causing important tasks to be cut.


Meanwhile, as British defence cuts bite: Russia's new-generation main battle tank, the Armata T-14, during the Victory Day military parade in Red Square in Moscow last month. It is to be fitted with a gun whose shell can “burn through a metre of steel”, a senior official has said. Russian state television said it would be the “most powerful cannon to be mounted on a main battle tank of any country ever”.


Critically, there was no guarantee that we would meet our Nato agreed minimum defence spending target of 2 per cent of GDP, one recommended by our own Prime Minister. There was certainly nothing to suggest the possibility of an increase in defence resources that the growing threat demonstrates is now justified if, in Thirties style, we are not to leave it too late.

This also ignores the fact that complex 21st-century defence capability cannot be regenerated in the relatively short order that prevailed 90 years ago. If the rumoured further reduction in the MoD’s budget comes to pass then other government promises such as growing defence equipment spending at a level of 1 per cent above general inflation will lead to further, disproportionate pressures elsewhere.

Expenditure in such areas as personnel, training, logistics and support will be yet further hard hit. Critically, the British military will have yet more difficulty in achieving and maintaining the high levels of operational readiness and efficiency that should characterise our Armed Forces in a dangerous strategic environment.

Meanwhile, emphasis has been placed on the ring-fenced 0.7 per cent of GDP allocated to overseas aid, as though this might compensate for inadequate investment in the insurance policy that our Armed Forces represent for the nation. Certain types of overseas aid may indeed contribute to foreign and defence policy aims but, ultimately, those policies must be underpinned by robust military capability.

Aid spending should not be lumped in with defence purely as a means of illustrating that this country is indeed meeting its 2 per cent Nato target. If the outcome of the Review is a further reduction in military expenditure and not a commitment to a sustained increase, then the Government will be neglecting its prime and overriding duty, the defence of the nation, by failing to halt the progressive decline of British military capability into penny packet numbers.

We therefore call on the Government to acknowledge this parlous state of affairs and exhort it to ensure that the Defence and Security Review does not degenerate into yet another cuts exercise. It must be policy-led and not resource driven. The policy must acknowledge the inexorable growth of military threats to our long-term national security. The resultant budget must provide for rebuilding our forces to adequate levels and, along the way, set an example to many of our allies where similarly blind eyes have been turned to the consequences of declining military strength. In particular, it must demonstrate to potential enemies that Britain continues to be a country that will not be coerced into submission through military weakness when diplomacy fails in the future, as it did in the Thirties.


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The ships with the migrants on board should be turned back and not allowed into European waters.
If that were to happen for a week some of this nonsense would end
 

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Shut up you moron, like the Canadian military is much better.. FFS

You ever hear the expression; "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
Ever hear the theory that a Nation who has to buy their military hardware from another Nation shouldn't go to war against a much larger Nation that manufacturers it's own military hardware? Do you need directions to the front-line?

The ships with the migrants on board should be turned back and not allowed into European waters.
If that were to happen for a week some of this nonsense would end
How about not creating refugees in the first place?