"Innocent" Canadians in jail!


JLM
#1
Provincial jails clogged with legally innocent Canadians - Canada - CBC News


This demonstrates what I've maintained all along about the bullsh*t contention of Canadian law that you are innocent until proven guilty.
 
petros
#2
It's called remand.
 
JLM
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's called remand.


We have to be careful not to let semantics cloud the facts! Do you really believe when Picton/Bernardo were in remand they were presumed to be innocent? N.F.L.!
 
petros
#4
It depends on the person's personality and severity of crime. They refuse bail in the US too.
 
MHz
#5
That's good news, we have to keep the prisons full so they make a profit for their owners and if only real criminals were in jail that would mean Canada is a lawless, godless country. By throwing known innocents in jail it can only mean we don't have enough real criminals around to fill the cells.
 
JLM
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

That's good news, we have to keep the prisons full so they make a profit for their owners and if only real criminals were in jail that would mean Canada is a lawless, godless country. By throwing known innocents in jail it can only mean we don't have enough real criminals around to fill the cells.


I don't quite follow your "logic"!
 
petros
#7
Me either. Remands are Provincially owned and operated.
 
Twila
+1
#8
Canada doesn't have privately owned prisons. That's a US thing.
 
JLM
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

Canada doesn't have privately owned prisons. That's a US thing.


THAT'S where we are failing! -
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

THAT'S where we are failing! -

We don't want for profit prisons. If a man can make money off imprisoning (enslaving) his fellow man, he will. He'll contribute to the political parties that will pass the laws that create a police state.
 
JLM
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

We don't want for profit prisons. If a man can make money off imprisoning (enslaving) his fellow man, he will. He'll contribute to the political parties that will pass the laws that create a police state.


Just a little 'tongue in cheek' Twila. (They wouldn't be eating Filet Mignon very often)
 
MHz
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

Canada doesn't have privately owned prisons. That's a US thing.

Taxpayers pay the costs to run the places, a lot is contracted out. It isn't like they will ever start throwing politiciand and lawyers and bankers in jail and they certainly can't shut them down so like England back when they wanted to populate Australia the punishments rise so the 'mission' is completed.
Indians either have a 'gene' issue that prevents them from following the law or they are selected to be the main population in prison.
Canada’s prison population at all-time high - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News
New figures show the number of visible minorities in Canadian prisons has increased by 75 per cent in the past decade, while the number and proportion of inmates who are Caucasian has declined significantly.
As well, Canadaís prison population is now at its highest level ever, even though the crime rate has been decreasing over the past two decades. Ten years ago, the number of inmates in federal prisons was close to 12,000. Itís now more than 15,000.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I don't quite follow your "logic"!

It's a business more than it is 'pure justice' as rehabilitation takes place outside of prison. Prison is admitting the person can't be rehabilitated by society. Any improvement mnade after the doors close is done by the person. The 'system' expects to see you back again and again until you die.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Just a little 'tongue in cheek' Twila. (They wouldn't be eating Filet Mignon very often)

To a point, treatment is going to see more and more people locked up and the cost per year of caring for that person doesn't vary much if it is Government run or a private corp. (minus corruption costs)
Red Deer is slated to have the biggest remand center in the Province and that is supposed to be in operation for 2016. That means they are expecting to be able to fill all the beds all the time so if crime is going down then the punishments for lower crimes will be increased. The 3 strikes rule is one way the US puts petty criminals away for life for the same crime his cell-mate got 12 months for. The US lists blacks as 'untrainable' and in Canada we put that label on the Indians. It is closer to there being no jobs available for them and at some point the jobs of guards will be gone also as the system would become automated and then the former workers become the potential new inmates.
 
Twila
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Just a little 'tongue in cheek' Twila. (They wouldn't be eating Filet Mignon very often)

Sorry, not enough caffeine in my blood stream yet.
 
MHz
#14
I was hoping that you had something that would show me that my position was somewhat in error.
Should I tell my wayward in laws to book in early as rooms are limited and then you gat some old place that is ready to be recycled?
 
petros
#15
Quote:

New figures show the number of visible minorities in Canadian prisons has increased by 75 per cent in the past decade, while the number and proportion of inmates who are Caucasian has declined significantly

Keepers of the Earth.
 
lone wolf
+2
#16
Three hots and a cot is a better deal for some than for others
 
MHz
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Three hots and a cot is a better deal for some than for others

. . . and most of your friends and relatives are already there.
 
Twila
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Three hots and a cot is a better deal for some than for others

Its also a great place to network...
 
MHz
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Keepers of the Earth.

They couldn't even say 'Indian', that how persecuted they are. lol in a sad sort of way.

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

Its also a great place to network...

The ones I know that use that term are unemployed yet haven't hung themselves. Could be the ones at the unemployment center used that term so many times that some made to attend even offed themselves during lunch hour. If the cops let you go when you use the term who am I to mess with a good thing.
 
Twila
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post



The ones I know that use that term are unemployed yet haven't hung themselves. Could be the ones at the unemployment center used that term so many times that some made to attend even offed themselves during lunch hour. If the cops let you go when you use the term who am I to mess with a good thing.

My ex use to use his time to make connections...a break from the "pay you tuesday For a hamburger today" crowd. Its where you go to keep up with the latest scams, drug importers/dealers, whos on top / who isn't, who's solid and who isn't. Prison does not do for the criminal what the public thinks.

One of mans greatest talents is to turn any situation into an advantage by any means necessary.
 
MHz
+1
#21
Second only to creating a disaster in secret so you can come to the rescue in public.

At least in prison they don't have a 'What went wrong with the plan?' class. If nothing else it should inspire them to be bankers and lawyers and politicians if jail is a hardship.
 
Corduroy
+1
#22
This forum is often exceptionally stupid, but I never thought I'd see someone actually argue against the presumption of innocence.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#23
So nice of you to enlighten us with your brilliance
 
WLDB
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

This demonstrates what I've maintained all along about the bullsh*t contention of Canadian law that you are innocent until proven guilty.

You definitely aren't according to the media and public opinion. From what Ive noticed over the years they convict people before a trial begins most of the time. I don't get the "they wouldn't be there if they hadn't done 'something' wrong" mindset.

Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

This forum is often exceptionally stupid, but I never thought I'd see someone actually argue against the presumption of innocence.

I see it quite often in the comment sections of news sites.
 
JLM
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

This forum is often exceptionally stupid, but I never thought I'd see someone actually argue against the presumption of innocence.


Where do you see evidence otherwise?
 
Corduroy
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

I see it quite often in the comment sections of news sites.

Oh yeah, and watch how their reactions change if a woman in college is drugged and raped at a party.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Where do you see evidence otherwise?

Evidence of what?
 
JLM
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

Evidence of what?


Your contention in post 22!
 
Corduroy
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Your contention in post 22!

That this forum is exceptionally stupid?
 
JLM
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by CorduroyView Post

That this forum is exceptionally stupid?


Sorry I took your meaning to be that we ARE considered innocent until proven guilty. I assume you mean people who are handcuffed, thrown in the back of a cop car and allowed ONLY one phone call. Hate to think how they'd treat the "guilty" ones. - I don't think THE FORUM is exceptionally stupid, it's just that among the mix of adherents to the forum there's a few who definitely aren't "Rhodes scholars". -
 
DaSleeper
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Sorry I took your meaning to be that we ARE considered innocent until proven guilty. I assume you mean people who are handcuffed, thrown in the back of a cop car and allowed ONLY one phone call. Hate to think how they'd treat the "guilty" ones. - I don't think THE FORUM is exceptionally stupid, it's just that among the mix of adherents to the forum there's a few who definitely aren't "Rhodes scholars". -

It's common knowledge (at least to some people) that those who don't think like they do, have to be stupid......
 

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