Standoff at nevada ranch


Locutus
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Defiant Nevada rancher faces armed federal agents in escalating confiscation standoff

A long-simmering dispute between a Nevada cattle rancher and the federal Bureau of Land Management has reached a boiling point, and participants have their fingers crossed it won’t erupt into violence.



Since 1993, Cliven Bundy has been battling the agency, as well as the National Park Service, the Center for Biological Diversity and the courts, to graze his cattle on 150 square miles of Gold Butte scrub land in the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. He stopped paying his grazing fees back then, saying he “fired” the Bureau of Land Management as land manager. His Mormon ancestors had tilled the unforgiving soil since 1887, long before the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act allowed the federal government to seize control, TheBlaze reported.

“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he asserted, explaining to TheBlaze that this includes the right to forage, too.


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Defiant Nevada rancher faces armed federal agents in escalating confiscation standoff - BizPac Review (external - login to view)
 
eh1eh
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Well if he only had more guns he could protect himself from the tyranny of the government.
 
Locutus
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UPDATE: Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Today (external - login to view)
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Well if he only had more guns he could protect himself from the tyranny of the government.

And his sacred right to run cattle on land that isn't his without paying.
 
Locutus
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Here's a big hairy entry for the Juxtaposition file :


9/04/14 - The Feds are/were planning a "Waco" event against a Nevada rancher for grazing cattle on the endangered desert tortoise range.

Your government at work: Feds ATTACK lone cattle rancher with army --to protect a tortoise - Politics & Policy - News - Catholic Online



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8/25/13 - Feds close Desert tortoise recovery project and euthanize desert tortoises-

Desert Tortoise Conservation Center's plan to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises in Nevada by 2014. | Peace . Gold . LOVE (external - login to view)

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it's about depopulating rural North America of family farming and grabbing the land - agenda 21 in action people.


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PoliticalNick
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I almost hope this comes to a head with armed conflict. It may well be the spark in the tinderbox that ignites the fires of the common citizens (the actual owners of our countries) against the corporate controlled govts who usurp power through executive orders and legislation that is in direct opposition of the constitutions. Any lives lost will be a shame but quite possibly necessary in order to restore power to the people. Governments have been pushing harder and further to take away our innate human rights and control the population and the push back is inevitable eventually. I will always stand with the citizens and against the govt until such time as the govt represents the citizens as it is supposed to. I have been warning of a 'blood in the streets' rebellion for a few years now and it would seem it might just be starting in Nevada over a bunch of tortoises.
 
Locutus
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via Fark:

The Bureau of Land Management brought snipers to the Bundy Ranch to protect the desert tortoise. And by desert tortoise, I mean they want his land for a $5B Chinese solar farm deal (external - login to view)

» Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (external - login to view)
 
eh1eh
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Well America is indebted to the Chinese. Those ranchers included.
They are profiting from Chinese sweat shop labor practices. Before you balk, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts everyone of those ranchers shops the rollbacks at Wallymart. Get that militia to Chinkland and rustle some jobs back to this continent you gun happy, greedy American slobs.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Well America is indebted to the Chinese. Those ranchers included.
They are profiting from Chinese sweat shop labor practices. Before you balk, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts everyone of those ranchers shops the rollbacks at Wallymart. Get that militia to Chinkland and rustle some jobs back to this continent you gun happy, greedy American slobs.

Right. I'll get right on that.
 
BaalsTears
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This will not end well. Someone will be seriously injured or killed.

Why would the US Govt. need snipers to seize and euthanize this family's cattle? Has the federal govt. ever lied before? If someone lies to you once it is best to presume that someone is lying again until the presumption is rebutted.
 
damngrumpy
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He himself admits he stopped paying his grazing fees in 1993 which means he admits
the land does not actually belong to him. If that is the case the law is not in the wrong.
Its not tyranny if he hasn't payed and in the past by paying the fees he admits the land
is not his.
Now he is paying the price of his own making. Tyranny my foot he is freeloading he did
not pay the fee he used to pay up until 93. If he had paid the fees he would have legal
claim to grandfather but by non payment and refusal to pay he put himself in jeopardy
 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

He himself admits he stopped paying his grazing fees in 1993 which means he admits
the land does not actually belong to him. If that is the case the law is not in the wrong.
Its not tyranny if he hasn't payed and in the past by paying the fees he admits the land
is not his.
Now he is paying the price of his own making. Tyranny my foot he is freeloading he did
not pay the fee he used to pay up until 93. If he had paid the fees he would have legal
claim to grandfather but by non payment and refusal to pay he put himself in jeopardy

His family worked the land for many many years before the BLM was even in existence therefore he has a prior claim and shouldn't have to pay anything. That is where the argument started back in 93. The BLM basically usurped his prior right to utilize the land and demanded payment for his continued use. That isn't just tyranny but also extortion by the federal govt. The land in question actually belongs to the state of Nevada who are ok with his continued use of it. If the feds were not trying to claim the land as theirs to set up a chinese solar farm none of this would be an issue.

No matter what it is about time there was armed insurrection against a government that has torn up the constitution and bill of rights, abolished 'posse comitatus' (if you don't know what that is look it up), and is openly spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve. My big hope is that it may spill over into Canada and we will demolish our current govt and the broken system so as to start over with much of our true freedoms and rights restored.
 
Locutus
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No-Fly zone alert issued over Bundy Ranch



4/1687 NOTAM Details
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

His family worked the land for many many years before the BLM was even in existence therefore he has a prior claim and shouldn't have to pay anything.

I wonder who worked it before Bundy's family?
 
Locutus
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Retired_Can_Soldier
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Biological Diversity? Say f_cking hat?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I wonder who worked it before Bundy's family?

Nobody.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post


(external - login to view)it's about depopulating rural North America of family farming and grabbing the land - agenda 21 in action people.

It is. Let's not forget all the help from introduced cultivated disease, miseducation, poison foodstuffs and vaccination of infants. Driving the rurals into concentrations of urban and suburban areas will make the final solution efficient. If I were an urban dweller I would be getting out of town while one still can and spending the next six months setting up home in the bush.
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Nobody.

yabut, doesn't he want you to say indians or something like that?
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I wonder who worked it before Bundy's family?

Buffalo and antelope .
 
Highball
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This could get very ugly. The seizure of the livestock and then refusing entry to the rancher who has historically grazed cattle on the land for three decades may become a question of "Past Practice" in a Court of law. I would like to see the rancher prevail but now is the US of Ameriki it won't happen.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post


No matter what it is about time there was armed insurrection against a government that has torn up the constitution and bill of rights, abolished 'posse comitatus'


can you provide proof of the government having abolished posse comitatus?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

yabut, doesn't he want you to say indians or something like that?

"worked" doesn't jive with the question.
 
damngrumpy
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Yes his family worked the land for decades that didn't make the land his.
We have ranchers with cattle on Crown Grazing land and they pay a fee
to do that. This guy just runs his cattle and lets everyone else pay the
grazing fees. The government should talk with him and ensure he pays
like everyone else of drive his cattle off the land. Can't feel sorry for the
act of stupidity on behalf of the rancher
 
DaSleeper
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He said in an interview that he doesn't mind paying the State but not the Feds....


It's just the greennies controlling the Federal Government of the US of A....
 
Locutus
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Why wait 20 years to confront this um, 'deadbeat'?

Surely it has nothing to do with the $5B. Surely not.

Surely.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

And his sacred right to run cattle on land that isn't his without paying.

Nevada is Free Range..

 
PoliticalNick
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

can you provide proof of the government having abolished posse comitatus?

Read the PATRIOT ACT and its amendments. They have made an end-run around the entire bill of rights and most of the constitution and yes, repealed the posse comitatus act.

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When you see the legislation that has been passed such as the repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act, it now allows the military to take over police duties.

Posse Comitatus Repealed! | Libertarian (external - login to view)

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Barely noticed by our mainstream media, HR 1540 (signed into law by president Obama on December 31, 2011) has set the stage for the repeal of constitutional government, not to mention the development of the “Surveillance State”, which has recently been the object of heated debate.

The American republic is fractured. The tendency is towards the establishment of a totalitarian State, a military government dressed in civilian clothes.

The adoption of the “National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), HR 1540) is tantamount to the militarization of law enforcement, the repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Inauguration in 2012 of Police State USA.

The Inauguration of Police State USA. Towards a Democratic Dictatorship? | Global Research (external - login to view)

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Ron Paul furious over repeal of Posse Comitatus Act
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Senator Mark Udall (D-CO) said of this bill, “One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. Soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. Military to preform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”

S1867 would overturn Posse Comitatus Act - Dallas Congress | Examiner.com (external - login to view)

Do you want more or do you think you might learn how to use google yourself?
 
Locutus
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Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds

Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Federal Government - ABC News
 
PoliticalNick
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Looks like the feds woke up to the fact they can't win against 300 million people! Now is the time to keep pushing to regain all the rights they have illegally legislated away.
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Amid Mounting Pressure, BLM Backs Down In Ranch Standoff
This is a huge departure from the action of federal agents over the past week, which included arrests, physical assaults, and threats against protesters and the Bundy family.

Above: Sheriff speaks to crowd of protesters about announcement. 3 minutes in, protesters demand to know what is happening to the cattle seized by the BLM already. Its unclear what is happening regarding the already seized property.

Thanks to the unwavering support of freedom-loving Americans across the country, federal agents once determined to strip a Nevada ranching family of its rights at any cost have now reportedly reversed course.


YES — Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins ‘Range War’ With Federal Government #bundyranch Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Federal Government - ABC News (external - login to view)

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) April 12, 2014
Just one day after Western Journalism began circulating a petition for the Bureau of Land Management to back down from its authoritarian position against the Clark County, Nev., family, the agency announced Saturday that its targeted attack will not continue. This is a huge departure from the action of federal agents over the past week, which included arrests, physical assaults, and threats against protesters and the Bundy family.

Since the standoff began, however, law enforcement officers, legislators, state militia members, and the general public have increasingly voiced their opposition to the use of excessive force in removing cattle from the ranch.

Just think if we lived in a gun controlled country. The government would have bullied the people at #BundyRanch and taken it over #FightBack — Alexi Kudej (@AKudej25) April 12, 2014
A brewing scandal emerged Friday, complete with allegations that Nevada Sen. Harry Reid had a vested interest in removing the Bundys from the property based on a desire to see lucrative plans for a solar farm in the county come to fruition. More than 7,500 individuals added their name to our petition which, along with the efforts of numerous other groups, sent a clear message that Americans are tired of seeing the federal government strip away their constitutional rights.

Upon hearing the news from Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie that the BLM is backing down, supporters reacted with enthusiastic applause. A beleaguered Cliven Bundy, who said he would fight to the end to protect his land if necessary, rallied one last time to give Gillespie a one hour timeline within which to disarm federal agents surrounding his ranch.

While the entire standoff was a disturbing show of force by the federal government against American citizens, Saturday’s resolution is seen by many as a victory for freedom within an increasingly statist society. Though there is no indication at this point that the hundreds of head of cattle already removed under order of the BLM will be returned, the Bundy family can at least rest assured that, for now, their ranch is safe.

Though the federal threat has now subsided, many are urging the family to remain vigilant.

Don’t lower your guard at the #BundyRanch. They’ll try to sneak back later: It Really Is About Our Rights - North Florida Writer (external - login to view) You can’t trust our govt. #ccot

— James **** (@NFloridaWriter) April 12, 2014
BLM Director — and former Reid senior adviser — Neil Kornze issued a press release on behalf of the agency, expressing its intent to leave the Bundy family alone:

As we have said from the beginning of the gather to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders, a safe and peaceful operation is our number one priority. After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans.

Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

Ranching has always been an important part of our nation’s heritage and continues throughout the West on public lands that belong to all Americans. This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially.

Read more at Amid Mounting Pressure, BLM Backs Down In Ranch Standoff (external - login to view)

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