To big to Fail- To big to Jail- Wall Street corruption???

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Goldman makes millions every year by shuffling huge amounts of aluminum among Detroit warehouses | Financial Post

MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. – Hundreds of millions of times a day, thirsty Americans open a can of soda, beer or juice. And every time they do it, they pay a fraction of a penny more because of a shrewd maneuver by Goldman Sachs and other financial players that ultimately costs consumers billions of dollars.

The story of how this works begins in 27 industrial warehouses in the Detroit area where Goldman stores customers’ aluminum. Each day, a fleet of trucks shuffles 1,500-pound bars of the metal among the warehouses. Two or three times a day, sometimes more, the drivers make the same circuits. They load in one warehouse. They unload in another. And then they do it again.

This industrial dance has been choreographed by Goldman to exploit pricing regulations set up by an overseas commodities exchange, an investigation by The New York Times has found. The back-and-forth lengthens the storage time. And that adds many millions a year to the coffers of Goldman, which owns the warehouses and charges rent to store the metal. It also increases prices paid by manufacturers and consumers across the country.

Tyler Clay, a forklift driver who worked at the Goldman warehouses until early this year, called the process “a merry-go-round of metal.”

Only a tenth of a cent or so of an aluminum can’s purchase price can be traced back to the strategy. But multiply that amount by the 90 billion aluminum cans consumed in the United States each year – and add the tons of aluminum used in things like cars, electronics and house siding – and the efforts by Goldman and other financial players has cost American consumers more than US$5 billion over the last three years, say former industry executives, analysts and consultants.

The inflated aluminum pricing is just one way that Wall Street is flexing its financial muscle and capitalizing on loosened federal regulations to sway a variety of commodities markets, according to financial records, regulatory documents and interviews with people involved in the activities.

The maneuvering in markets for oil, wheat, cotton, coffee and more have brought billions in profits to investment banks like Goldman, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley, while forcing consumers to pay more every time they fill up a gas tank, flick on a light switch, open a beer or buy a cellphone. In the last year, federal authorities have accused three banks, including JPMorgan, of rigging electricity prices, and last week JPMorgan was trying to reach a settlement that could cost it US$500 million.

Using special exemptions granted by the Federal Reserve Bank and relaxed regulations approved by Congress, the banks have bought huge swaths of infrastructure used to store commodities and deliver them to consumers – from pipelines and refineries in Oklahoma, Louisiana and Texas; to fleets of more than 100 double-hulled oil tankers at sea around the globe; to companies that control operations at major ports like Oakland, Calif., and Seattle.

In the case of aluminum, Goldman bought Metro International Trade Services, one of the country’s biggest traders of the metal. More than a quarter of the supply of aluminum available on the market is kept in the company’s Detroit-area warehouses.

Before Goldman bought Metro International three years ago, warehouse customers used to wait an average of six weeks for their purchases to be located, retrieved by forklift and delivered to factories. But now that Goldman owns the company, the wait has grown more than 20-fold – to more than 16 months, according to industry records.
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Longer waits might be written off as an aggravation, but they also make aluminum more expensive nearly everywhere in the country because of the arcane formula used to determine the cost of the metal on the spot market. The delays are so acute that Coca-Cola and many other manufacturers avoid buying aluminum stored here. Nonetheless, they still pay the higher price.

Goldman Sachs says it complies with all industry standards, which are set by the London Metal Exchange, and there is no suggestion that these activities violate any laws or regulations. Metro International, which declined to comment for this article, in the past has attributed the delays to logistical problems, including a shortage of trucks and forklift drivers, and the administrative complications of tracking so much metal. But interviews with several current and former Metro employees, as well as someone with direct knowledge of the company’s business plan, suggest the longer waiting times are part of the company’s strategy and help Goldman increase its profits from the warehouses.

Metro International holds nearly 1.5 million tons of aluminum in its Detroit facilities, but industry rules require that all that metal cannot simply sit in a warehouse forever. At least 3,000 tons of that metal must be moved out each day. But nearly all of the metal that Metro moves is not delivered to customers, according to the interviews. Instead, it is shuttled from one warehouse to another.

Because Metro International charges rent each day for the stored metal, the long queues caused by shifting aluminum among its facilities means larger profits for Goldman. And because storage cost is a major component of the “premium” added to the price of all aluminum sold on the spot market, the delays mean higher prices for nearly everyone, even though most of the metal never passes through one of Goldman’s warehouses.

Aluminum industry analysts say that the lengthy delays at Metro International since Goldman took over are a major reason the premium on all aluminum sold in the spot market has doubled since 2010. The result is an additional cost of about US$2 for the 35 pounds of aluminum used to manufacture 1,000 beverage cans, investment analysts say, and about US$12 for the 200 pounds of aluminum in the average American-made car.
 

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Ugh, but but but, bidniss good, dereggalation good, proffit good, an we all imploy a lotta peeple to move the stuff aroun. Beesides, peeple woan mind cuz its only a tenth uf a penny. :D

Anyway, that is likely only one of a hundred or maybe even a thousand ways corps n big business wheedles fractions of pennies out of each and every person. Goldman Sachs profits double in second quarter | Business | The Guardian
 

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So how is this any different than speculators buying and selling gas on the spot market? Except that GS employes people to move material around and pays taxes on all the warehouses while speculators in futures markets contribute exactly nothing to the economy.
 

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So how is this any different than speculators buying and selling gas on the spot market? Except that GS employes people to move material around and pays taxes on all the warehouses while speculators in futures markets contribute exactly nothing to the economy.
Spot market is "buy goods, get delivery immediately or soon after paid for". The goods are not shuffled around in a spot market and delayed just to make another buck or million.
 

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If they complaint is they are making money illegally they are not according to practice.
They are manipulating probably, but the speculators cost you a lot more in than Goldman
ever will. Perhaps in the Nation Interest they should outlaw speculators from massive
profits from industrial resourses. Can you hear the howling now?
The fact is the food companies do the same thing everyday with their warehouses and
and so on so this is nothing new.
 

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Ugh, but but but, bidniss good, dereggalation good, proffit good, an we all imploy a lotta peeple to move the stuff aroun. Beesides, peeple woan mind cuz its only a tenth uf a penny. :D

Anyway, that is likely only one of a hundred or maybe even a thousand ways corps n big business wheedles fractions of pennies out of each and every person. Goldman Sachs profits double in second quarter | Business | The Guardian
Uh, this situation was made possible by regulation. I quote from the article. . .

"This industrial dance has been choreographed by Goldman to exploit pricing regulations set up by an overseas commodities exchange, an investigation by The New York Times has found."

One of the reasons regulations should not be too specific is that there are battalions of hungry lawyers looking to exploit them.
 

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I'm sure if someone told BHO about this he would fix it.
 

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Uh, this situation was made possible by regulation. I quote from the article. . .

"This industrial dance has been choreographed by Goldman to exploit pricing regulations set up by an overseas commodities exchange, an investigation by The New York Times has found."
Oh, yeah. In my defense of my comment; there are good regs, bad regs, and grey regs. :D

One of the reasons regulations should not be too specific is that there are battalions of hungry lawyers looking to exploit them.
yep, cept I'd have used "divisions".

BTW, green creepies sounds kinda kinky.
 

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Spot market is "buy goods, get delivery immediately or soon after paid for". The goods are not shuffled around in a spot market and delayed just to make another buck or million.

My understanding of the article is that they were moving goods around to comply with a law but at the same time keeping them off the market which does affect the spot market price.
 

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My understanding of the article is that they were moving goods around to comply with a law but at the same time keeping them off the market which does affect the spot market price.

Chances are that the beverage mfgrs have supply contracts in place for the aluminum, but if those arrangements aren't locked-in (incl price), Goldman Sachs runs a helluva risk in someone else coming in and undercutting them, thereby leaving them with some very expensive product and warehouse rentals
 

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Chances are that the beverage mfgrs have supply contracts in place for the aluminum, but if those arrangements aren't locked-in (incl price), Goldman Sachs runs a helluva risk in someone else coming in and undercutting them, thereby leaving them with some very expensive product and warehouse rentals

Ben known to happen alright. But if GS owns the warehouses and the trucking company through a subsidiary or three they can create a paper loss and claim it on their taxes and still win.
 

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Ugh, but but but, bidniss good, dereggalation good, proffit good, an we all imploy a lotta peeple to move the stuff aroun. Beesides, peeple woan mind cuz its only a tenth uf a penny. :D

Anyway, that is likely only one of a hundred or maybe even a thousand ways corps n big business wheedles fractions of pennies out of each and every person. Goldman Sachs profits double in second quarter | Business | The Guardian

It does not surprise me that Goldman Sachs would take any advantage they could of the market. It was GS that, back in 2008 created CDSs comprised of toxic subprime mortgages, sold them to customers sometimes at inflated rates, then GS actively bet against them. In other words, GS sold their customers shoddy goods then made more money when those goods were found to be nothing but smoke and mirrors. There are hundreds and hundreds of US mortgages which cannot be traced to a single bank/institution. Neighborhood after neighborhood filled with decaying broken homes sit in limbo. Nothing can be done with them because no one knows who owns them.

Transcript from Money, Power and Wall Street -

"SATYAJIT DAS, Author, Traders, Guns and Money: By 2007, 2008, all the smart money knew the game had ended, and all the banks tried to effectively repackage what they were stuck with as quickly as possible and get it off their books. But there was second parallel movement which was going on, which was all about, “How can we take advantage of it?”


NEWSCASTER: The Dow-Jones average seemed in freefall, ending the day down—


NARRATOR: One of the Wall Street banks that took advantage of a declining market was Goldman Sachs. According to a congressional investigation, the bank created a series of CDOs containing toxic subprime and then sold them to customers—


LLOYD BLANKFEIN: [television commercial] We at Goldman Sachs distinguish ourselves by our ability to get things done on behalf of our clients—


NARRATOR: —while Goldman Sachs, using credit default swaps, bet against them.


Sen. CARL LEVIN (D-MI), Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations: They bet against their own clients, so when the clients lost money, Goldman was making money. Goldman has a little slogan that the clients come first. No, they didn’t. Not in these transactions. Goldman came first, second and third. They were really, I think, the only major bank which made money when the housing bubble burst.


NARRATOR: In a settlement with the SEC, Goldman admitted that some of their marketing materials did not disclose important information, but Goldman claimed that their investors were highly sophisticated institutions."


Transcript | Money, Power and Wall Street | FRONTLINE | PBS
 

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Should also add that their clients are also highly greedy. It could have worked and probably did in the beginning since the whole business is smoke and mirriors with no basis in reality.
 

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Chances are that the beverage mfgrs have supply contracts in place for the aluminum, but if those arrangements aren't locked-in (incl price), Goldman Sachs runs a helluva risk in someone else coming in and undercutting them, thereby leaving them with some very expensive product and warehouse rentals

Availability dropped from 4 months to 16 months for ordering to delivery. Controlling such a large percentage does that not lead to price fixing?
 

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Availability dropped from 4 months to 16 months for ordering to delivery. Controlling such a large percentage does that not lead to price fixing?

Price fixing takes more than one little company. It would have to involve almost everyone recycling cans in N America to have any real effect. It is a world market and there are always other buyers and sellers as well as other uses for recycled aluminum.
 

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Availability dropped from 4 months to 16 months for ordering to delivery. Controlling such a large percentage does that not lead to price fixing?

There were more than a few I banks that got their azzes handed to them on commodity plays over the years. In fact, in recent weeks, you'll have noticed that the price of WTI had a short term (significant) swing.... I'll bet (and heavily) that some group took a short position that became known to industry insiders and the other banks dog-piled on them and helped them lose a crap-ton of cash.

This very same opportunity could easily happen to GS.