BNP leader Nick Griffin calls Mandela a "murdering old terrorist"

[Blackleaf]

BNP leader Nick Griffin has called ailing Nelson Mandela a "murdering old terrorist" on Twitter.

He said: ‘Saint #nelsonmandela on last legs it seems.

‘Make sure to avoid BBC when the murdering old terrorist croaks. It’ll be nauseating.’

In another message Mr Griffin wrote: ‘Statesmen must be judged on results not rhetoric.

‘Before Mandela, South Africa was safe economic powerhouse. Now crime ridden basket case.’

Another tweet said: ‘No surprise #Mandela’s lungs are shot - all those burning tyres. Smoking necklaces very bad for the health.’


Read more: ¿Murdering old terrorist¿: BNP leader Nick Griffin¿s Twitter insult about ailing Nelson Mandela sparks fury | Mail Online

 

[Machjo]

And in other news...

 

[karrie]

stroke induced dementia?

 

[Colpy]

Well, I don't believe Mandela murdered anyone. He blew up a transmission tower, if I remember correctly.

I do not quite grasp his sainthood either. Certainly a major factor in South African politics, but I would not join those so eager to kiss the hem of his robe.

 

[Machjo]

Well, I don't believe Mandela murdered anyone. He blew up a transmission tower, if I remember correctly.

I do not quite grasp his sainthood either. Certainly a major factor in South African politics, but I would not join those so eager to kiss the hem of his robe.

But going to the opposite extreme?

 

[L Gilbert]

BNP leader Nick Griffin has called ailing Nelson Mandela a "murdering old terrorist" on Twitter.

In another message Mr Griffin wrote: ‘Statesmen must be judged on results not rhetoric.

And he's one to make that comment with a straight face? lmao

‘Before Mandela, South Africa was safe economic powerhouse. Now crime ridden basket case.’

Yeah. Change produces a little chaos. Before Mandela: "1811 - 1812
The Fourth War of Dispossession between the AmaXhosa and colonists takes place under the command of Commissioner John Graham. In a brutal battle against the AmaXhosa, which includes the indiscriminate shooting of women and other civilians as well as destruction of crops, the AmaXhosa are driven from the Zuurveld. Women and children are killed although the colonial authorities knew that the AmaXhosa only attack men as men are regarded as soldiers while women are not. The AmaXhosa also never attacks male missionaries" - General South African History Timeline: 1800s | South African History Online
"1812
Cape Colony: The Apprentice Ordinance is promulgated which gives any white farmer the right to apprentice the children of his labourers for a period of ten years from the age of eight" - General South African History Timeline: 1800s | South African History Online
"1820
Approximately 5 000 British settlers from economically depressed regions of Britain arrive in Algoa Bay in the eastern Cape to increase the size of the white settler population. Upon arrival it is revealed to them that they are also required to act as a civilian defence force against the indigenous people on whose land they are settled. They are allocated land in the Zuurveld, next to the Fish River" and "The rise of the kingdom of the AmaZulu continues the already violent dispersal of neighbouring political entities competing with each other and with British and Boer colonisers for land and basic resources. This troubled period goes down in official South African history as either the Mfecane (IsiZulu) or Difaqane (SeSotho) which literally means "forced dispersal" or "forced migration" because the upheavals caused thousands of refugees. The AmaMfengu, for example, flee to the eastern Cape Colony, to the lands of the AmaXhosa. The fleeing political entities engage in armed skirmishes for land with kingdoms and chiefdoms which they encounter during their flight. This conflict continues for a number of years throughout the southern African region. Until the 1990s the view that the upheavals were caused solely by the alleged tyranny of Shaka's rise to power. This view has subsequently been challenged, with some historians disputing the existence of the Mfecane or Difaqane at all. Instead historians identify increasing pressure on the various communities that populated the region as colonisers move in and colonisers and indigenous people fight each other for the dwindling resources. This phenomenon is seen as a direct result of an increase in population and a quest for power"- General South African History Timeline: 1800s | South African History Online
etc. etc. etc. Of course, everything would have been a mess before the Dutch and Brits felt the urge to introduce their own brands of mess.
Read a little more of SA's history: South African History Online
Apartheid in South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Cliffy]

Mr Griffin comes off as a white supremest knuckle dragger. I can see why Blackleaf sees him as a hero.

 

[Machjo]

Mr Griffin comes off as a white supremest knuckle dragger. I can see why Blackleaf sees him as a hero.

from I'd read before, Blackleaf considers him to be a far-right racist too, and does not support him, judging from other posts.

Well, I don't believe Mandela murdered anyone. He blew up a transmission tower, if I remember correctly.

I do not quite grasp his sainthood either. Certainly a major factor in South African politics, but I would not join those so eager to kiss the hem of his robe.

He may have been wrong to use violence to end apartheid, but I'm willing to forgive him for that considering what he was fighting for. Still wrong, but I think we can understand the circumstances nonetheless.

 

[Blackleaf]

Think what you like about Mr Griffin, but many would say he has a point regarding Mandela.

Here's what an Indian website says:

So revered is Nelson Mandela today that it is easy to forget that for decades he was considered a terrorist by many Western governments, and some of them are now his supporters.

The anti-apartheid hero was on a US terror watch list until 2008 and while still on Robben Island, Britain's late "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher described his African National Congress as a "typical terrorist organisation."

Nelson Mandela's journey from a terrorist to freedom icon

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Think what you like about Mr Griffin, but many would say he has a point regarding Mandela.

Here's what an Indian website says:

So revered is Nelson Mandela today that it is easy to forget that for decades he was considered a terrorist by many Western governments, and some of them are now his supporters.

The anti-apartheid hero was on a US terror watch list until 2008 and while still on Robben Island, Britain's late "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher described his African National Congress as a "typical terrorist organisation."

Nelson Mandela's journey from a terrorist to freedom icon

Well, you and Mr. Griffin can take the day of his death to mourn the demise of apartheid.

 

[Cliffy]

The anti-apartheid hero was on a US terror watch list until 2008 and while still on Robben Island, Britain's late "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher described his African National Congress as a "typical terrorist organisation."

Nelson Mandela's journey from a terrorist to freedom icon

To his people he was a freedom fighter, to his enemies he was a terrorist. Isn't that the usual way things go? It is a verbal dichotomy that has been around forever. He became a hero when he won. That could also be considered azz kissing.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

To his people he was a freedom fighter, to his enemies he was a terrorist. Isn't that the usual way things go? It is a verbal dichotomy that has been around forever. He became a hero when he won. That could also be considered azz kissing.

To Blackleaf, George Washington was a traitor and a terrorist.

 

[karrie]

To his people he was a freedom fighter, to his enemies he was a terrorist. Isn't that the usual way things go? It is a verbal dichotomy that has been around forever. He became a hero when he won. That could also be considered azz kissing.

To my crazy way of thinking....

Terrorists are people who use violence to try to force their political agenda.
(environmental issues, religious adherence, which party governs)

Freedom fighters are people who use violence to try to force an inarguably human rights agenda that has failed in democratic routes.
(freeing slaves, ending apartheid)

 

[WLDB]

To my crazy way of thinking....

Terrorists are people who use violence to try to force their political agenda.
(environmental issues, religious adherence, which party governs)

Freedom fighters are people who use violence to try to force an inarguably human rights agenda that has failed in democratic routes.
(freeing slaves, ending apartheid)

Id say terrorism is a tactic rather than an ideology. Using fear to intimidate the other side and targeting non-combatants. People have done that both to advance a political agenda and a human rights agenda.

 

[Cliffy]

The Sandinista were considered terrorist because they were socialist and the Contras were considered freedom fighters because they supported the US exploitation of the El Salvadorian peoples and resources. That is the kind of dichotomy I'm talking about; the one you read about in the mass sheeple media.

 

[Colpy]

from I'd read before, Blackleaf considers him to be a far-right racist too, and does not support him, judging from other posts.



He may have been wrong to use violence to end apartheid, but I'm willing to forgive him for that considering what he was fighting for. Still wrong, but I think we can understand the circumstances nonetheless.

Good Lord, who wouldn't use violence if repressed under a regime such as apartheid??

No, I was not denigrating Mr. Mandela at all......I think him an honourable man.

I just don't get the cult of personality that has risen around him.......

 

[Machjo]

Good Lord, who wouldn't use violence if repressed under a regime such as apartheid??

No, I was not denigrating Mr. Mandela at all......I think him an honourable man.

I just don't get the cult of personality that has risen around him.......

So I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification, and agreed.

 

[L Gilbert]

Think what you like about Mr Griffin, but many would say he has a point regarding Mandela.

Here's what an Indian website says:

So revered is Nelson Mandela today that it is easy to forget that for decades he was considered a terrorist by many Western governments, and some of them are now his supporters.

The anti-apartheid hero was on a US terror watch list until 2008 and while still on Robben Island, Britain's late "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher described his African National Congress as a "typical terrorist organisation."

Nelson Mandela's journey from a terrorist to freedom icon

uhuh And why was he considered a terrorist? My guess would be that he was simply, actively trying to bring SA gov'ts to face the crap that they either promote or ignore and other gov'ts tend to dislike enemies of a state whether that state is despicable or not.
One of my favorite examples of this is Reagan and US interference in El Salvador. Another is the UK interference in Ethiopia (mid 1800s). There are dozens of such examples and they are not all for humanitarian reasons.

To my crazy way of thinking....

Terrorists are people who use violence to try to force their political agenda.
(environmental issues, religious adherence, which party governs)

Freedom fighters are people who use violence to try to force an inarguably human rights agenda that has failed in democratic routes.
(freeing slaves, ending apartheid)

Good way to put it.

The Sandinista were considered terrorist because they were socialist and the Contras were considered freedom fighters because they supported the US exploitation of the El Salvadorian peoples and resources. That is the kind of dichotomy I'm talking about; the one you read about in the mass sheeple media.

Exactly one of my points.

 

[WLDB]

Good Lord, who wouldn't use violence if repressed under a regime such as apartheid??



I just don't get the cult of personality that has risen around him.......

Agreed on the first point.

As for the personality thing, im not too sure. Ive never read much about him. Maybe its because he seems to be in a good mood all the time and didnt seem to hold a drudge after being released from prison. Most people who go through the things he has dont come out happy and willing to try and work with those who locked them up. When he dies I imagine that personality cult thing will only grow. That tends to happen with most popular leaders when they die.

 

[Nuggler]

stroke induced dementia?

The "eyes" have it.