Rebellion within the lapdogs.

Goober

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Rebellion within the lapdogs. Will it spread? Or will they be vaccinated with the Party Line.

Guess Harper's little chat with caucus a few weeks back did not solve the issue.



Two more Tory MPs agitate for freedom of speech in House - The Globe and Mail

More Harper government MPs are standing in the Commons to publicly challenge the Prime Minister’s Office’s iron grip over what caucus members can say in the chamber.

One is Pierre Lemieux, an Eastern Ontario MP who is also an assistant to a cabinet minister. He’s parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Agriculture.

The other one is Michael Chong, MP for the Southern Ontario riding of Wellington-Halton Hills, who told the Commons on Monday that heavy-handed party control over who gets to speak in the House is eroding MPs’ ability to hold governments accountable.

It was unusually candid commentary from a Conservative caucus member and it speaks to the frustration among the sprawling Tory backbench. Mr. Chong once resigned from cabinet after he broke ranks with the government over whether Quebec should be recognized as a nation.

Like five fellow Conservatives before the Easter break, Mr. Chong and Mr. Lemieux are standing in solidarity with B.C. MP Mark Warawa, whom Conservative caucus bosses prevented in March from reading a statement in the Commons that would have discussed abortion.

The rebellion is a consequence of Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s heavy-handed efforts to silence Mr. Warawa, who wanted the Commons to pass judgment on sex-selective abortions by voting to condemn it.

Backbenchers are arguing for the right of members of Parliament to speak their minds in the Commons and are asking Speaker Andrew Scheer, as referee of the House, to grant them more autonomy. The MPs are asking the Speaker to effectively remove the party whip from the equation when he decides whom to call upon to deliver members’ statements each day during the 15 minutes before Question Period.

Other Conservative MPs who have risen in the House to back Mr. Warawa include New Brunswick Southwest MP John Williamson, who once served as the Prime Minister’s director of communications, Kyle Seeback, Brent Rathgeber, Stephen Woodworth and Leon Benoit.

On Monday, Mr. Lemieux said that it’s wrong to refuse to allow a vote on sex-selective abortions and wrong to deny Mr. Warawa a chance to raise the matter in the Commons if his constituents call for it.

“A member of Parliament must have maximum freedom of speech in speaking to an issue such as this, but more importantly, being able to raise it in the first place,” he said.

Mr. Chong said a change 30 years ago that put parties in charge of making lists of who would ask questions during Question Period has turned into a leash that leaders can use to control who asks questions and what they say.

“Today, members of the House of Commons no longer have that right to ask questions of the government and to hold it to account,” the MP said.

“They no longer have that fundamental right, whether they sit on that side of the aisle or on this side of the aisle,” Mr. Chong said.

“The only people who get to ask questions are those who are given approval by the House Leader or party whips.”

Mr. Lemieux, as parliamentary secretary, is the most senior ranking Conservative MP to join this group of agitators.
 

Nuggler

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There would be no "rebellion" unless THE GREAT LEADER" had given his approval. Sure beats talking about health care money transfers and all that boring stuff.
 

Cliffy

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There would be no "rebellion" unless THE GREAT LEADER" had given his approval. Sure beats talking about health care money transfers and all that boring stuff.
I know. It is hard to imagine that good little obedient cons would rock the boat, eh! Perhaps there is hope for Canada.
 

Dexter Sinister

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If the Conservative backbenchers were allowed to speak freely it would soon become clear what lightweights most of them are and Harper's majority would disappear. This is the only long lasting government in our history that's never had a major cabinet shuffle, and the reason is obvious: the people in cabinet are the best Harper's got. He has no bench strength.
 

Zipperfish

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Cracking the whip isn't peculair to the Harper Conservatives--although they have proven very good at it. The sad fact is that, despite all this Reforrrrrrm Party talk about MPs representing their constituents, the way to maintain power in politics is the same way as maintaining power in an army. Loyalty, no breaking ranks and following orders even if it means falling on your sword. That's just as true for the Liberals, the Democrats and the Republicans as it is for the Conservatives.
 

petros

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Backbenchers are arguing for the right of members of Parliament to speak
their minds in the Commons and are asking Speaker Andrew Scheer, as referee of
the House, to grant them more autonomy. The MPs are asking the Speaker to
effectively remove the party whip from the equation when he decides whom to call
upon to deliver members’ statements each day during the 15 minutes before
Question Period.
Scheer isn't going to budge.

He was created, incubated, hatched, reared and educated by the CPC and Monsanto in a lab deep under Sudbury.
 

damngrumpy

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The cracks are beginning to show and the rumours are out there that Harper
may not be running in the next election. If they let the backbench speak out
on the Tory side of the House it would empty the benches in the next election.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Cracking the whip isn't peculair to the Harper Conservatives...
It is the way Harper does it, some of them weren't even allowed to take part in all-candidates debates in their own ridings during the campaign. All parties enforce a degree of party discipline, but Harper's taken it to unprecedented extremes, to a degree that suborns the democratic process. And the fact that they took it for so long just underlines my original point, anybody of substance and principle would have resisted from the beginning.
 

Zipperfish

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Yeah, he's got it down to a fine art all right. It's all about message control. But he's been too cynical. Running around telling everyone all the great things the Conservatives are doing for the environment. Well, guess what? Reality counts too. People can see that the Conservatives are environmental laggards, despite their protestations to the contrary, and now poor Harper can't get his dilbit pipeline anywhere.

In BC: "We're going to build a world-class oil spill response system." Yeah, I guess that's why you've spent the last few years dismantling the environmental regulatory regime. That's why you're getting rid of Coast Guard bases--the guys that respond to spills and oversee clean-up. Surrrrre.
 

Dexter Sinister

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So much for the theological agenda that the usual suspects have been forecasting beneath their tin foil hats
Science? Nah, don't need it, it's an enemy of faith. Environment? Not important, the end times are near, it soon won't matter anyway. Free speech? Can't allow it, it's just as corrosive to faith as science. Democracy? Nope, there's only one right way, no need to vote on it, it's all right here in this book. If you think Christian fundamentalism is not a factor in the political right's agenda you're not paying attention.
 

Cliffy

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None of the mud slinging really has anything to do with Trudeau and everything to do with the cons spewing as much hatred as they can to keep the public eye off their failing leader and his policies. Desperation makes strange bedfellows.
 

WindWalker

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None of the mud slinging really has anything to do with Trudeau and everything to do with the cons spewing as much hatred as they can to keep the public eye off their failing leader and his policies. Desperation makes strange bedfellows.

It's dual purpose mud slinging. ;-)
 

Goober

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None of the mud slinging really has anything to do with Trudeau and everything to do with the cons spewing as much hatred as they can to keep the public eye off their failing leader and his policies. Desperation makes strange bedfellows.

They all sling mud Cliff- You know that as well as I. Just the Cons had more money.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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The other one is Michael Chong, MP for the Southern Ontario riding of Wellington-Halton Hills, who told the Commons on Monday that heavy-handed party control over who gets to speak in the House is eroding MPs’ ability to hold governments accountable.

It says a lot when government MPs are concerned about their own party's lack of accountability, something people outside the party have been concerned about from the moment Harper began his conservative crusade to rid Canada of the burden of actual democracy.

We don't elect PMs in this country we elect a Parliament who's members determine who leads. Despite seven years of trying to concentrate all the power he can in the PMO Harper is still faced with the limits of a Parliamentary democracy. I'm willing to bet that in just a few years the conservative party will be in tatters because Harper overreached, we're not ready for a constitutional dictatorship here yet apparently.
 
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