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#1Mar 17th, 2013 
Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
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#2 Top Rated PostRe: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013
why do you say that? Richmond hasn't imposed a language law. Just because 1000 people out of a population of over 200k are whining doesn't mean Richmond will.
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Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
I wasn't aware Chinese was an official languageYahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines
Looks like Richmond's taking its cue from Quebec?
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
True enough.why do you say that? Richmond hasn't imposed a language law. Just because 1000 people out of a population of over 200k are whining doesn't mean Richmond will.
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
Neither were English or French until they were.I wasn't aware Chinese was an official language
Also, should an official language not suggest a language for official purposes? I hardly call grocery shopping or eating at a restaurant to be 'official'.
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Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
What do you call it for Emergency Service people who'd have to translate to know if they're at the right place?True enough.
Neither were English or French until they were.
Also, should an official language not suggest a language for official purposes? I hardly call grocery shopping or eating at a restaurant to be 'official'.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
True enough.
So, this was just another of your troll threads then. Glad to know.
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Mar 17th, 2013Quote:
I think the 1000 have a point. Why should signs be only in Chinese in an English speaking country. I can see multi-language but why just in Chinese even if over half the population is Chinese how do they even decide upon which Chinese language to place upon the sign. It's dangerous.There are, as Starchuk indicates, neighbourhoods and blocks of commercial districts with Chinese-only si
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
That's the number on the door and the street name, not the shop sign.What do you call it for Emergency Service people who'd have to translate to know if they're at the right place?
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Mar 17th, 2013
check out how this article ends: But do we really want to see 'language police' in other parts of Canada?
Then I guess I do because I don't want to see signs in every language known to man just according to who lives in the area. Keep them consistent. I don't mind if they have signs up common to the neighbourhood but they should be in English too.
Then I guess I do because I don't want to see signs in every language known to man just according to who lives in the area. Keep them consistent. I don't mind if they have signs up common to the neighbourhood but they should be in English too.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
No. I'd used bad wording. I should have said specific residents and not the city. Sloppy wording. I'm so sorry. But I'm glad to see you're still your usual cheerful self.So, this was just another of your troll threads then. Glad to know.
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Mar 17th, 2013
I have to say there should be mandatory English signage. It is the same thing around Scott Rd on the Surrey/Delta border, all the signs are in Hindi with no English present.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Never been on the job, eh? It's not the most visible thing - even in English - but Frank's Meats looks like Frank's Meats. What does Yuck Foo Chinese Eatery look like? Not everyone who calls 911 knows the address - especially in a second storey establishmentThat's the number on the door and the street name, not the shop sign.
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Mar 17th, 2013
Quite frankly I could care less what language a sign is in chances are many of the
shops that don't speak English will not get my business anyway. Not because I
would boycott them, but because if I can't get service in English I would be able to
communicate with them.
shops that don't speak English will not get my business anyway. Not because I
would boycott them, but because if I can't get service in English I would be able to
communicate with them.
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Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Sal
Statistically, not even 80% of Canadians know English. Most don't know it in Quebec. About 15% don't know it in Nunavut. So who defines the country's language?I think the 1000 have a point. Why should signs be only in Chinese in an English speaking country.
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I guess it's in Chinese only for the same reason so many signs are in English only; the owner did not feel a comercial need to include any other language.I can see multi-language but why just in Chinese even if over half the population is Chinese how do they even decide upon which Chinese language to place upon the sign.
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How so?It's dangerous.
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
Then we could also argue it the other way: what about the Chinese who can't read the English-language sign?Never been on the job, eh? It's not the most visible thing - even in English - but Frank's Meats looks like Frank's Meats. What does Yuck Foo Chinese Eatery look like? Not everyone who calls 911 knows the address - especially in a second storey establishment
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013
They don't drive police cars, ambulances, firetrucks etc ... generally
Did you read something about a complete ban on traditional signage?
Did you read something about a complete ban on traditional signage?
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Sal
check out how this article ends: But do we really want to see 'language police' in other parts of Canada?
Then I guess I do because I don't want to see signs in every language known to man just according to who lives in the area. Keep them consistent. I don't mind if they have signs up common to the neighbourhood but they should be in English too.
Why?
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why?I have to say there should be mandatory English signage. It is the same thing around Scott Rd on the Surrey/Delta border, all the signs are in Hindi with no English present.
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
exactly, but it appears there will always be those bigoted dipshytes that would prefer to impose their own bigoted will upon others.Quite frankly I could care less what language a sign is in chances are many of the
shops that don't speak English will not get my business anyway. Not because I
would boycott them, but because if I can't get service in English I would be able to
communicate with them.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
80% of Canadians don't know English? Really! Statistically, not even 80% of Canadians know English. Most don't know it in Quebec. About 15% don't know it in Nunavut.
No you pulled that out of the air.... According to the 2011 census, English and French are the mother tongues of 56.9% and 21.3% of Canadians respectively.Give me the link please for the 80%.
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Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.So who defines the country's language?
Any comments?
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yet our official languages are English and French so I guess there needs to be some adjusting done.I guess it's in Chinese only for the same reason so many signs are in English only; the owner did not feel a comercial need to include any other language.
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This is the country they have chosen as their new home. If I were moving to Brazil I would be damn certain that I was working on learning to speak, read and write Portuguese. Wouldn't you, or do they have to adjust to me?Then we could also argue it the other way: what about the Chinese who can't read the English-language sign?
Are you studying Chinese? or if you move, you will have to study Italian or wait maybe Arabic, or hm, this area speaks Spanish.. how is that going to work? Explain please.
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.Why?.
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
Most likely do speak English and often they have product that your regular grocery stores do not stock.Quite frankly I could care less what language a sign is in chances are many of the
shops that don't speak English will not get my business anyway. Not because I
would boycott them, but because if I can't get service in English I would be able to
communicate with them.
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
yeah don't shop there gerry because they don't speak ENGLISH... oh the irony is sweet.exactly, but it appears there will always be those bigoted dipshytes that would prefer to impose their own bigoted will upon others.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013
I would like to remind all that recent changes to our immigration law require the persons to be literate in either one of our official languages. I don't support Harper on a lot of things but this is one that I do. If you want to live in this country you had better learn the common language of the area and to me that includes signs on your businesses.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 17th, 2013
Just arrived back from an afternoon's cycling around Richmond-for those of you who don't know it's flat as a pancake and easy on the knees.
The worst part of Richmond for Chinese language signs is along #3 Road and as it happens it's also the most atrocious past of the whole Lower Rainland-a butt ugly concrete jungle of the most unflattering type-and the Chinese love it the place swarms with them.
They are a unique people-twice I have seen young men of less than half my age take their bicycles on Canada Line Skytrain for two whole stops rather than cycle on the dedicated pathway.
So maybe it's best to leave the Chinese happy in their little ghetto.
The worst part of Richmond for Chinese language signs is along #3 Road and as it happens it's also the most atrocious past of the whole Lower Rainland-a butt ugly concrete jungle of the most unflattering type-and the Chinese love it the place swarms with them.
They are a unique people-twice I have seen young men of less than half my age take their bicycles on Canada Line Skytrain for two whole stops rather than cycle on the dedicated pathway.
So maybe it's best to leave the Chinese happy in their little ghetto.
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Mar 17th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Sal
Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.
Any comments?
yet our official languages are English and French so I guess there needs to be some adjusting done.
This is the country they have chosen as their new home. If I were moving to Brazil I would be damn certain that I was working on learning to speak, read and write Portuguese. Wouldn't you, or do they have to adjust to me?
Are you studying Chinese? or if you move, you will have to study Italian or wait maybe Arabic, or hm, this area speaks Spanish.. how is that going to work? Explain please.
Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.
Most likely do speak English and often they have product that your regular grocery stores do not stock.
I live in a multi cultural Country. One where new comers can keep their native language and culture. If they so wish to open a shop with signage in their native tongue only, no skin off my a$$. That's the nice thing about this great Country. They are free to market to the clientele that they want. So, I sure as hell hope I don't live to see the bigots get their way and turn this great Country into a white wash.
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal
roflmao, that's right, I have the right to decide where I shop and where I don't shop. The same as the shop owners have the right to use what ever language they wish in their signage. There is no irony. I've shopped No 3 Road and the malls on either side. This would include shops that I couldn't read what the shop was. I went in and looked. It's not me WHINING about the signage not being in english or french. I couldn't care one way or the other. Personally, I find that the different languages add to Canada's culture.yeah don't shop there gerry because they don't speak ENGLISH... oh the irony is sweet.
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Mar 18th, 2013
Any laws regarding language and signs will have to deal with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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Mar 18th, 2013
I agree with some posters commenting on the article Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city. “It's understandable if they want to have signage in their native language, but there should be an accurate English translation below or beside the Chinese seeing as this is Canada.”
Where I live we have Chinatown, Little Italy, ‘Avenue of Nations’ and many, many more areas of different nationalities. Most signs I have seen are in both English and the language of the store/restaurant owners. No I do not want to see language police in other parts of Canada. Bad enough they are in Quebec. When I was younger, we always went to this 1 café for coffee. It was Greek owned, called Hot Box; if I remember correctly their menu was in both English and Greek, that was almost 40 years ago.
I agree with damngrumpy, if I cannot read any part of the sign or menu, I’ll leave. No big deal. The way I look at it is, if you don’t want to put any English on your sign, you don’t want/need my business. That’s their choice, then… oh well…
Well, maybe there should be accurate English translation but there should not be any language law.
I do my grocery shopping at Safeway, to be totally honest, I have a problem with.. when I want to look for/at an item, the french side is facing me. In Edmonton, in Alberta.... Am I the only one?
Where I live we have Chinatown, Little Italy, ‘Avenue of Nations’ and many, many more areas of different nationalities. Most signs I have seen are in both English and the language of the store/restaurant owners. No I do not want to see language police in other parts of Canada. Bad enough they are in Quebec. When I was younger, we always went to this 1 café for coffee. It was Greek owned, called Hot Box; if I remember correctly their menu was in both English and Greek, that was almost 40 years ago.
I agree with damngrumpy, if I cannot read any part of the sign or menu, I’ll leave. No big deal. The way I look at it is, if you don’t want to put any English on your sign, you don’t want/need my business. That’s their choice, then… oh well…
Well, maybe there should be accurate English translation but there should not be any language law.
I do my grocery shopping at Safeway, to be totally honest, I have a problem with.. when I want to look for/at an item, the french side is facing me. In Edmonton, in Alberta.... Am I the only one?
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Mar 18th, 2013
Give it a generation and it'll start hurting their business. In the meantime, no language police. This ain't Quebec.
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Mar 18th, 2013
Lousy immigrants.
If they want to speak Chinese, they can go back to China!
If they want to speak French, they can go back to France!
If they want to speak English, they can go back to England!
If they want to speak Chinese, they can go back to China!
If they want to speak French, they can go back to France!
If they want to speak English, they can go back to England!
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Mar 18th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by Sal
My bad. I meant only about 80% know English. Sorry.80% of Canadians don't know English? Really!
Give me the link please for the 80%.
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The Official Languages Act was a collective power grab between English and French Canadians in collusion: I don't think very highly of it. As for knowing English before coming to Canada, plenty of immigrants to Quebec only know French, and according to Statscan2006 about 15% of Nunavummiut speak neither official language well. I wouldn't call them immigrants seeing that they'd been living up north for millennia.Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.
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English and french because we decided out oft hin air that, poof, we're 'two founding nations' and indiegenous peoples aren't included in that description. How convenient. If you read the B&B Report, it's just a bunch of pseudoscience about 'founding races' and all that jazz/yet our official languages are English and French so I guess there needs to be some adjusting done.
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Most if not all Nunavummiut are born in Canada, and if they're not, then they have a parent who is I'm sure. Hardly immigrants even if 15% of them don't know our languages.This is the country they have chosen as their new home.
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Bad example, like in Canada, some indigenous Brazilians do not speak Portuguese. Portugal might be a better example.If I were moving to Brazil I would be damn certain that I was working on learning to speak, read and write Portuguese. Wouldn't you, or do they have to adjust to me?
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An easy-to-learn auxiliary language would suffice, no? If that's your argument, and you consider that few French and English Canadians learn one anothers' languages, and that even some indigenous Canadians fail to learn our languages well, then according to your argument for the need for a common nation-wide language all can learn, then Esperanto or some other extremely easy to learn language would be preferable, no?Are you studying Chinese? or if you move, you will have to study Italian or wait maybe Arabic, or hm, this area speaks Spanish.. how is that going to work? Explain please.
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Again, many indigenous Canadians, especially in the North, do not speak our languages, or at least not very well. Are they foreigners?[/QUOTE]Our official languages are French and English. If you are not willing to learn either official language why even move to Canada?: Under the Canadian Constitution, the federal government has both English and French as its official languages in respect of all government services, including the courts, and all federal legislation is enacted bilingually. New Brunswick is the only Canadian province that has both English and French as its official languages to the same extent, with constitutional entrenchment.
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So you should learn signs on your business? I don't follow? What does putting signs on your business have to do with learning the language? I was born in Canada, am fluent in both official languages, and want the right to put up a sign in Arabic if I want to.I would like to remind all that recent changes to our immigration law require the persons to be literate in either one of our official languages. I don't support Harper on a lot of things but this is one that I do. If you want to live in this country you had better learn the common language of the area and to me that includes signs on your businesses.
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones
My sentiments exactly.Lousy immigrants.
If they want to speak Chinese, they can go back to China!
If they want to speak French, they can go back to France!
If they want to speak English, they can go back to England!
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Mar 18th, 2013
Sal
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Which English country are you talking about .Why should signs be only in Chinese in an English speaking country
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Mar 18th, 2013
Hmmm...
I quite enjoy the mystery of what the shop sells, until you enter and find out when cruising in Markham.
I've found some very fine dining establishments, where you can enjoy authentic Chinese, Laotian, Thai, Cambodian, and even Japanese cuisine that way. Hell, if you go over two blocks to the west from Markham Rd. and turn south, you can get some of the best Mediterranean and East Asian foods and Halal, you'll fined in Ontario.
I can understand what LW is getting at, but on the other hand, I know most Paramedics know their areas pretty well around these parts.
I quite enjoy the mystery of what the shop sells, until you enter and find out when cruising in Markham.
I've found some very fine dining establishments, where you can enjoy authentic Chinese, Laotian, Thai, Cambodian, and even Japanese cuisine that way. Hell, if you go over two blocks to the west from Markham Rd. and turn south, you can get some of the best Mediterranean and East Asian foods and Halal, you'll fined in Ontario.
I can understand what LW is getting at, but on the other hand, I know most Paramedics know their areas pretty well around these parts.
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Re: Group to petition Richmond, B.C., to police Chinese language signs in city
Mar 18th, 2013
I always thought that cities that a real Chinatown did have signage like that on shops? Why is everyone so up in arms about it? Xenophobes?
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Mar 18th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by SLM
Hell, in Tdot's Chinatown, they have dual street signs, English and Chinese.I always thought that cities that a real Chinatown did have signage like that on shops? Why is everyone so up in arms about it? Xenophobes?
It just adds to the wonderful mosaic that is Canada.
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Mar 18th, 2013Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I know! Some folks out there must be paranoid or something, lol.Hell, in Tdot's Chinatown, they have dual street signs, English and Chinese.
It's not like they'll turn you away if you try to get service there or anything.
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