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Goober
#1Feb 21st, 2013
Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Nurse says hospital granted dad

An African-American nurse claims a Michigan hospital agreed to a man’s request that no black nurses care for his newborn.

Forty-nine-year-old Tonya Battle tells the Detroit Free Press she didn’t know how to react when she learned about the request in October at Hurley Medical Center in Flint. Battle sued last month in Genesee Circuit Court seeking punitive damages.

Battle’s lawsuit claims a note was posted on an assignment clipboard reading “No African American nurse to take care of baby.” She says it was later removed, but claims black nurses weren’t assigned to the baby’s care for about a month.

Hurley President Melany Gavulic said in a statement Tuesday the father showed Battle’s supervisor a swastika tattoo, which angered the staff. She says supervisors were concerned for the staff’s safety.

‘No Black Nurses’ Lawsuit: Tanya Battle Sues Hospital Alleging Supervisor-Supported Discrimination : Home : Lawyer Herald
 
taxslave
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
If I was running the hospital I would tell him to take his business elsewhere.
 
captain morgan
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

If I was running the hospital I would tell him to take his business elsewhere.


You could have a lot more fun with this than schooling this idiot... Go to the HR dept and issue all the attending nurses name tags with full-on Jewish names... Think of the extra fun when the padded invoice gets submitted.

That'd fix his wagon
 
Cliffy
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Feb 21st, 2013
If you want to mess with this clown, explain that black just means there is no colour reflected so the person is actually white and a white person reflects all the colour so is actually black. If he can't follow that logic, I hear a ball peen hammer works well too.
 
Goober
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Feb 21st, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

You could have a lot more fun with this than schooling this idiot... Go to the HR dept and issue all the attending nurses name tags with full-on Jewish names... Think of the extra fun when the padded invoice gets submitted.

That'd fix his wagon

Reminds me of that MASH episode where a racist receives a transfusion from a black man. Oh yes the man who invented this was black.
 
Angstrom
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
It's still his right. Is it wrong? Maybe. Still I think the hospital did the right thing.
 
Goober
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

It's still his right. Is it wrong? Maybe. Still I think the hospital did the right thing.

Could you provide a link where he has this right. Looking for that legal right should keep you busy till well after I die.
 
jariax
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
Option 1: Accomodate racist request.
Result: Get sued.

Option 2: Put black nurses in the same room as the racist, risking violent confrontation.
Result: Get sued.

Option 3: Send mother and child out of hospital, putting their lives in danger, due to racist father.
Result: Get sued.

You can't win.
 
SLM
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 21st, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

It's still his right. Is it wrong? Maybe. Still I think the hospital did the right thing.

It's his right to discriminate against someone based on their skin colour????

And there's no maybe about it being wrong, it's racist stupidity, pure and simple.
 
shadowshiv
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Feb 21st, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

It's still his right. Is it wrong? Maybe. Still I think the hospital did the right thing.

No one has the "right" to be a racist. That is an active choice, nothing more.
 
CDNBear
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshivView Post

No one has the "right" to be a racist.

Yes they do.
 
Goober
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yes they do.

Yes they do. But their ability or lack of ability to practice it is restricted and covered by numerous laws.

But everyone has the right to hate.
 
DaSleeper
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
You have the right to choose who will work on your car, you have the right to pick your own dentist or doctor...
The guy may be racist but he has the right to chose who will look after his child, and if the hospital refuses he has the right to sue, or move to another hospital.....
 
Goober
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

You have the right to choose who will work on your car, you have the right to pick your own dentist or doctor...
The guy may be racist but he has the right to chose who will look after his child, and if the hospital refuses he has the right to sue, or move to another hospital.....

He does not have the right in the Hosp when using race as a determining factor.
 
damngrumpy
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Feb 22nd, 2013
It is so comforting to know there are small minded people who hate for skin colour or because
they are different like Gay or what ever. Here is a guy who hates so bad that a black person
not be part of his child's care. We think that is terrible yet it applies to other parts of a modern
society as well.
Here is another situation Churches have a tax free ride on properties and so on. It is really
getting a pass by government itself. Yet, at the same time they can hate Gay people and not
let them marry in the church or in some cases even attend the service there.
It is different than this case but the hatred displayed is the same thing. Oh I know the church
folk all do the song and dance about sin ya da ya da but its still hate and they call it something
else.
I think we are living in a society that still has to come to grips with ignorance but it will be a long
time before this changes
 
DaSleeper
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

He does not have the right in the Hosp when using race as a determining factor.

The law says that you cannot descriminate while providing a service.....
Find me the case law that that says that you cannot discriminate in who provides you with a service.
 
SLM
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

You have the right to choose who will work on your car, you have the right to pick your own dentist or doctor...
The guy may be racist but he has the right to chose who will look after his child, and if the hospital refuses he has the right to sue, or move to another hospital.....

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. He has the right to be a racist, he can think whatever he wants to. But he can't act on whatever he wants to. Thinking and having an opinion doesn't infringe on anyone else, but actions do.

If the hospital, without outside intervention of any kind, were to base it's staffing policies on race, that would be discriminatory would it not? So how does he have the right to demand the hospital discriminate? He absolutely has the right to go elsewhere for service though.
 
CDNBear
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
You can choose your nurse or doctor on the basis of gender.

How is race any different?
 
Goober
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

You can choose your nurse or doctor on the basis of gender.

How is race any different?

This was not a free choice of Doctor etc. This is a case of those trained to attend to persons under the care of that Doctor/Hospital.
The question and or point is not relevant.
 
CDNBear
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

This was not a free choice of Doctor etc.

Yes it is.

I have an inalienable right to decide who can or can not touch me or my minor children.

Based on anything I so desire.
 
SLM
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

You can choose your nurse or doctor on the basis of gender.

How is race any different?

Wasn't aware that you had the right to do that. My understanding was that they can be accommodating on a gender selection if they so choose and if it doesn't cause difficulty, but it's not a right.


Honestly it wouldn't occur to me to even ask such a thing anyway.
 
CDNBear
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Wasn't aware that you had the right to do that. My understanding was that they can be accommodating on a gender selection if they so choose and if it doesn't cause difficulty, but it's not a right.

The only time I can see it not being a consideration, is when there is implied consent.

Quote:

Honestly it wouldn't occur to me to even ask such a thing anyway.

It wouldn't occur to most people. But some people are more comfortable with same gender attending to them.
 
SLM
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The only time I can see it not being a consideration, is when there is implied consent.

I'm really tired tonight so I know I'm not articulating this properly, lol. I completely get the part of him having a right to want whatever he wants, the part that I don't get is where they have to accommodate that.

Take that waiter in Texas that was in the news recently, who refused to serve a family that demanded to be seated away from a Downs child. Obviously, to my sensibilities, that family (like the guy in this article) was wrong. But I acknowledge they have the right to be bigoted towards people with developmental difficulties. But they didn't have the right to force the service establishment to accommodate their attitudes.

You see what I mean?


Quote:

It wouldn't occur to most people. But some people are more comfortable with same gender attending to them.

I guess I just associate that with my grandparents generation.
 
CDNBear
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

I'm really tired tonight so I know I'm not articulating this properly, lol. I completely get the part of him having a right to want whatever he wants, the part that I don't get is where they have to accommodate that.

I don't know if they actually have to.

I can see how in some demographics it could be hard to accommodate.

Quote:

Take that waiter in Texas that was in the news recently, who refused to serve a family that demanded to be seated away from a Downs child. Obviously, to my sensibilities, that family (like the guy in this article) was wrong. But I acknowledge they have the right to be bigoted towards people with developmental difficulties. But they didn't have the right to force the service establishment to accommodate their attitudes.

Why not?

I always ask to be seated in a corner facing an exit. If I can't be accommodated, i leave.

Quote:

You see what I mean?

Yep.

Quote:

I guess I just associate that with my grandparents generation.

I know guys that won't go to a female GP.
 
Goober
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yes it is.

I have an inalienable right to decide who can or can not touch me or my minor children.

Based on anything I so desire.

Well show me that you have that right when the decision is and made based upon race and not upon qualifications of the Nurses. This is not a personal opinion on Hosp care.
 
CDNBear
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Well show me that you have that right when the decision is and made based upon race and not upon qualifications of the Nurses.

Show me I can't.

The article clearly shows it can be done.
 
SLM
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Show me I can't.

The article clearly shows it can be done.

But it was done because the hospital allowed it be done, their choice not his right.
 
CDNBear
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Feb 22nd, 2013
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

But it was done because the hospital allowed it be done, their choice not his right.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to request it.

If he doesn't get what he wants there, he's also free to go elsewhere.
 
damngrumpy
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Feb 22nd, 2013
CDNBear is likely right in the formal sense of the word. The fact is that even legislation
carved in stone cannot control the human condition. It is sad to think we have to make
such laws in the first place.
 
DaSleeper
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Re: Nurse says hospital granted dad’s request for no black nurses near newborn

Feb 23rd, 2013
The rule of law doesn't have to follow "politicaly correct" guidelines even if some would wish it to be be so.
 

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