Pipelines- Upgraders and Refineries

[Goober]

Pipeline- Upgraders and Refineries.
Time to get these on the move. It is costing Canada 10s of billions per year with the bottleneck at the US border and high discount on heavy crude from AB.
Pipelines to the East cost- same as to the West coast.
Upgrade and refine a substantial - significant amount of the product in Canada.

 

[Trex]

Your numbers are way out of whack.
Northern Gateway alone would provide quoting Macleans:
"would yield about half a percentage point in added annual GDP between the pipeline’s opening and 2048; about 900,000 man-years of employment, including 400,000 in Alberta and a quarter-million in B.C.; and over $98 billion in government revenue, almost half of which would go to Ottawa".
If the BC natural gas pipelines and associated LNG plants fail to materialize, Northern Gateway gets scrubbed and XL and a few other pipelines are blocked the long term numbers could literally hit the trillions.
Lost man years of labour would eventually be off the chart as other competing countries continously ramp up infrastructure while ours withers and crumbles.
This is a race to market salable, deliverable assets in return for a higher standard of living.
We are competeing against countries like Norway, Australia and the USA.
There is a reason Norway and Australia are both in the top 4 countries in the world to live in.
And there is a good reason why Canada isn't.
Time for folks to get off their asses and get busy developing what we are blessed with.

Or perhaps we could turn the whole vastly unpopulated and as yet undeveloped nation into a giant world national park and playground.
We could all sell espressos and trinkets to the rich foreign tourists

 

[Goober]

Your numbers are way out of whack.
Northern Gateway alone would provide quoting Macleans:
"would yield about half a percentage point in added annual GDP between the pipeline’s opening and 2048; about 900,000 man-years of employment, including 400,000 in Alberta and a quarter-million in B.C.; and over $98 billion in government revenue, almost half of which would go to Ottawa".
If the BC natural gas pipelines and associated LNG plants fail to materialize, Northern Gateway gets scrubbed and XL and a few other pipelines are blocked the long term numbers could literally hit the trillions.
Lost man years of labour would eventually be off the chart as other competing countries continously ramp up infrastructure while ours withers and crumbles.
This is a race to market salable, deliverable assets in return for a higher standard of living.
We are competeing against countries like Norway, Australia and the USA.
There is a reason Norway and Australia are both in the top 4 countries in the world to live in.
And there is a good reason why Canada isn't.
Time for folks to get off their asses and get busy developing what we are blessed with.

Or perhaps we could turn the whole vastly unpopulated and as yet undeveloped nation into a giant world national park and playground.
We could all sell espressos and trinkets to the rich foreign tourists

Numbers out of whack - Nope. From the OP
It is costing Canada 10s of billions per year

 

[earth_as_one]

Hopefully Canada builds the Northern Gateway pipeline... then our crude is sold at int'l prices. The current situation is costing the Canadian economy 10's of billions a year in lost revenue.:

Monday, Dec. 17 2012

...A barrel of Western Canadian Select is worth $47.20 (U.S.) a barrel right now – a whopping $40 discount to the North American benchmark, known as West Texas intermediate (WTI). Further, the global benchmark, known as Brent crude, sits at $109.62 a barrel, giving it a gaping $62.42 advantage over much of the oil coming out of Western Canada....

...Canada will lose billions of dollars in revenue per month, economists calculate, because of the price difference....

Crude discount seen continuing for Canadian producers - The Globe and Mail

 

[Trex]

Numbers out of whack - Nope. From the OP
It is costing Canada 10s of billions per year

I believe you missed the implied sarcasm while in agreement with the tone of your post.

Its costing Canada 100's of billions and measurable points off its GDP.

 

[taxslave]

Certain foreign financed eco groups have been trying to destroy B.C.'s economy for the past several decades. They want to turn the province into a playground for the idle rich while the rest of us do??? Oh yea ask if they want fries with their latte.

 

[Goober]

Billions projected in savings if Quebec refiners switch to Alberta oil - The Globe and Mail

Quebec could save up to $3-billion a year buying Alberta’s oil instead of importing all the fuel it consumes from Europe or North Africa, according to a new projection.

The savings estimate by National Bank Financial assumes Alberta’s oil could physically get to Quebec, which currently isn’t the case. But with two projects under consideration, buying Albertan oil is no longer a far-fetched scenario for Quebeckers.

 

[taxslave]

Once more tru dough's legacy is coming back to bite Canadians in the a$$. If not for his NEP there would already be oil and gas lines running East instead of South.

 

[Goober]

Once more tru dough's legacy is coming back to bite Canadians in the a$$. If not for his NEP there would already be oil and gas lines running East instead of South.

Canada needs an energy and off topic food security policy. We need to upgrade to as close as possible the finished product regarding natural resources.
Another reason to protect the potash industry- It is a strategic resource.

 

[taxslave]

In reality making natural resources a provincial domain rather than federal was a stupid move. We have a dozen little fiefdoms instead of any coherent national policy.

 

[Goober]

In reality making natural resources a provincial domain rather than federal was a stupid move. We have a dozen little fiefdoms instead of any coherent national policy.

Not sure on this but do exports require Federal approval?

 

[Cliffy]

Yup! Lets pump out all the oil as fast as we can so there is nothing left for our rotten ingrate grandchildren. I want a skidoo, ATV and a seadoo now. Screw the little retards. Me! Me! Me! And while we are at it, screw all the starving people of the world. I have a right to buy endless amount of stuff at Cosco and Walmart, All those bleeding hearts standing in the way of progress - phuque 'em all!

 

[damngrumpy]

It costs us nothing if we leave it in the ground for ourselves. In fact it would be
more valuable if we waited. For some reason we are compelled to share our
resources with the world, Oh its called Greed.
I am against pumping crude or heavy tar sands and shipping it to foreign countries.
except as some finished product with added value.