Go West Old Man


Spade
#1
No talk of soylent green in Wild Rose country. Their elders have found refuge in workhouses.
Workers over 55 nearly half of Alberta labour force - Edmonton - CBC News
What ever happened to Freedom 55?
 
taxslave
+2
#2
Cause other than rich government employees few can afford to retire at 55. The job situation in the rest of Canada is such that many are forced to commute to Alberta to finish out their work career.
 
Cliffy
+1
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

No talk of soylent green in Wild Rose country. Their elders have found refuge in workhouses.
Workers over 55 nearly half of Alberta labour force - Edmonton - CBC News
What ever happened to Freedom 55?

I knew that was a scam the first time I heard about it. The way my older brother talked about it (like he was having a wet dream) I knew it was pie in the sky.
 
Spade
#4
Gooseberry pie!
 
JLM
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Cause other than rich government employees few can afford to retire at 55. The job situation in the rest of Canada is such that many are forced to commute to Alberta to finish out their work career.

From what I can gather from the news, Sask. or Newfy may be the place to go, Alison is screaming "poverty".
 
Spade
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

From what I can gather from the news, Sask. or Newfy may be the place to go, Alison is screaming "poverty".

A self-imposed poverty of royalty structures, the flat tax, and no sales tax.

Also
"Western Canada Select traded $42.50 a barrel less than U.S. crude on Dec. 14, the most since Bloomberg began keeping records. Canadian companies are forgoing about C$2.5 billion a month because of the lower prices, according to an estimate by Houston-based investment bank PPHB Securities LP. The differential is costing the Canadian economy C$27 billion a year, Horner said. "
-BloombergBusiness Week
 
Goober
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

A self-imposed poverty of royalty structures, the flat tax, and no sales tax.

Also
"Western Canada Select traded $42.50 a barrel less than U.S. crude on Dec. 14, the most since Bloomberg began keeping records. Canadian companies are forgoing about C$2.5 billion a month because of the lower prices, according to an estimate by Houston-based investment bank PPHB Securities LP. The differential is costing the Canadian economy C$27 billion a year, Horner said. "
-BloombergBusiness Week

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Spade
+1
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

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Epithet?
 
Goober
+2
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

A self-imposed poverty of royalty structures, the flat tax, and no sales tax.

Also
"Western Canada Select traded $42.50 a barrel less than U.S. crude on Dec. 14, the most since Bloomberg began keeping records. Canadian companies are forgoing about C$2.5 billion a month because of the lower prices, according to an estimate by Houston-based investment bank PPHB Securities LP. The differential is costing the Canadian economy C$27 billion a year, Horner said. "
-BloombergBusiness Week

And the oil is landlocked- Pipelines or bust is what it comes down to.

Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Epithet?

No a duplicate post on over 55 aged workers
 
Spade
#10
And progressive taxes.
 
Goober
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

And progressive taxes.

Yes- the 10% tax is BS. From what I understand it benefits those over the 100 K mark.
 
karrie
+4
#12
Most people I know over 55 still choose to work. Do people have so little faith in the intelligence and wherewithal of 'the old folks' as to think the government runs their lives?

Hubby's dad is a prime example. He retired at 60, and now works three jobs by choice. He's enjoying this form of retirement more than he ever enjoyed working before, because he can afford to tell his employers to pound sand at any given moment. He sets his own hours, his own limits, and does only the jobs he wants to do. For example, he's on 'days off' from the lumber yard right now because it's winter and he doesn't want to work the winter there.

He takes home a pay cheque, pays taxes, and shows up on these stats. That doesn't mean he 'has' to work.

My dad's gearing up for his 60th birthday, and aiming for a similar retirement for sanity and health sake. With arthritis in his back and hands, it's healthier than sitting at home, where he knows he won't move enough to keep ahead of the stiffness.
 
captain morgan
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Yes- the 10% tax is BS. From what I understand it benefits those over the 100 K mark.


Progressive taxation has absolutely no benefit as your income as it gets higher
 
Spade
#14
Hypothetical argument #1
If I were over 55, I would continue working because I am the only one on this planet who could do my job. However, that is not the case for all seniors of retirement age. Do you not think the elders are robbing youth of their rightful patrimony?
 
Goober
+2
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Hypothetical argument #1
If I were over 55, I would continue working because I am the only one on this planet who could do my job. However, that is not the case for all seniors of retirement age. Do you not think the elders are robbing youth of their rightful patrimony?

I will be 56 in Mar. Plan is for my wife to retire earlier than I- And like you i am the only one on the planet that can do my job.
And I like staying busy. So if my health stays OK I will be working well into my 60's. Pending a large Lotto Win.
 
Spade
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I will be 56 in Mar. Plan is for my wife to retire earlier than I- And like you i am the only one on the planet that can do my job.
And I like staying busy. So if my health stays OK I will be working well into my 60's. Pending a large Lotto Win.

And, there's the key. Money is freedom; work is slavery.
 
JLM
+2
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Hypothetical argument #1
If I were over 55, I would continue working because I am the only one on this planet who could do my job. However, that is not the case for all seniors of retirement age. Do you not think the elders are robbing youth of their rightful patrimony?

First of all no one has an automatic "right" to a job. That comes through successful competition. I doubt if there is any right or wrong answer. If you can provide a service better than anyone else then hanging in there is justified. Quite often an older person can afford to work cheaper than a younger person. However I would add that if a person is working solely because he/she is bored not working, they have a problem.
 
Spade
+3
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

First of all no one has an automatic "right" to a job. That comes through successful competition. I doubt if there is any right or wrong answer. If you can provide a service better than anyone else then hanging in there is justified. Quite often an older person can afford to work cheaper than a younger person. However I would add that if a person is working solely because he/she is bored not working, they have a problem.

Hypothetical #2
Suppose the old curmudgeon has a pension and therefore can work for less than a youth with family. Is that not like financial ethnic cleansing?
 
Mowich
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Most people I know over 55 still choose to work. Do people have so little faith in the intelligence and wherewithal of 'the old folks' as to think the government runs their lives?

Hubby's dad is a prime example. He retired at 60, and now works three jobs by choice. He's enjoying this form of retirement more than he ever enjoyed working before, because he can afford to tell his employers to pound sand at any given moment. He sets his own hours, his own limits, and does only the jobs he wants to do. For example, he's on 'days off' from the lumber yard right now because it's winter and he doesn't want to work the winter there.

He takes home a pay cheque, pays taxes, and shows up on these stats. That doesn't mean he 'has' to work.

My dad's gearing up for his 60th birthday, and aiming for a similar retirement for sanity and health sake. With arthritis in his back and hands, it's healthier than sitting at home, where he knows he won't move enough to keep ahead of the stiffness.

Good for both of them, Karrie. I'll be turning 64 in a couple of months and have my own house-cleaning and house-sitting business. The cleaning gets me out and exercising and the house-sitting gives me a chance to help others - both provide me with a decent wage.
 
Spade
#20
Do you do windows? Travel?
 
Goober
+2
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

First of all no one has an automatic "right" to a job. That comes through successful competition. I doubt if there is any right or wrong answer. If you can provide a service better than anyone else then hanging in there is justified. Quite often an older person can afford to work cheaper than a younger person. However I would add that if a person is working solely because he/she is bored not working, they have a problem.

No - People are like that. I enjoy work- I have fun at work- no one bothers me - and those that do should have a good reason- People that get in my face I look after.
The managers and staff where I work are great.
And I do security work - contracted thru a security company. Dealing with some idiots is part of the job. Cleaned out the rednecks some time ago.
I work 4 on - 4 off - that is 6 months of the year- take approx 6 weeks vacation - only 3 paid - down to 4 1/2.

Life is good.
 
L Gilbert
+5
#22  Top Rated Post
Why quit working if you find stuff you like to do and people still find you useful? If you have skill sets to do jobs that kids can't handle, you can keep working and train them. I like sharing my knowledge with kids. Gawd knows they can't get everything from formal education and I can gain new techniques that they are taught in school that I didn't get.
So as long as I can still be of use in the workforce, I'll be in it and keep puttering away at stuff wifey and I find to do at home.
And boredom is for people with no imagination.
 
captain morgan
+1
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

First of all no one has an automatic "right" to a job. That comes through successful competition. I doubt if there is any right or wrong answer. If you can provide a service better than anyone else then hanging in there is justified. Quite often an older person can afford to work cheaper than a younger person. However I would add that if a person is working solely because he/she is bored not working, they have a problem.

Very well said

Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Hypothetical #2
Suppose the old curmudgeon has a pension and therefore can work for less than a youth with family. Is that not like financial ethnic cleansing?

Financial ethnic cleansing?

... And the award for best over dramatization goes to... (envelope please).....

Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Why quit working if you find stuff you like to do and people still find you useful? If you have skill sets to do jobs that kids can't handle, you can keep working and train them. I like sharing my knowledge with kids. Gawd knows they can't get everything from formal education and I can gain new techniques that they are taught in school that I didn't get.
So as long as I can still be of use in the workforce, I'll be in it and keep puttering away at stuff wifey and I find to do at home.
And boredom is for people with no imagination.

I know of a few former businessmen that remain engaged in the community by assuming informal roles (and unpaid I might add) with young, local companies that need their level of experience and expertise.

These guys do this for the very reasons that you mentioned - keeps them busy, involved, provides the cognitive stimulation that they want, etc.

A win win for everyone
 
karrie
+3
#24
Just a thought...

In 1990, this article states that only 30% of the workforce was over 55. Baby boomers at this time were between approximately 46 and 26 years old.

Now, lo and behold, almost 50% of the work force is made up of people over 55. I wonder why?
 
Goober
+2
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Just a thought...

In 1990, this article states that only 30% of the workforce was over 55. Baby boomers at this time were between approximately 46 and 26 years old.

Now, lo and behold, almost 50% of the work force is made up of people over 55. I wonder why?

The financial meltdown affected many. Many retired with debt- as in substantial mortgages- personal debt.
 
JLM
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Why quit working if you find stuff you like to do and people still find you useful? If you have skill sets to do jobs that kids can't handle, you can keep working and train them. I like sharing my knowledge with kids. Gawd knows they can't get everything from formal education and I can gain new techniques that they are taught in school that I didn't get.
So as long as I can still be of use in the workforce, I'll be in it and keep puttering away at stuff wifey and I find to do at home.
And boredom is for people with no imagination.

One of the main reasons I quit working, is a compulsion to perform when people are depending on me, hence my absenses or tardiness over a year could probably be counted on one finger if at all. Hence I have a problem with calendars and clocks, which doesn't work very well in work situations. I might not feel like working at 7AM Tues. but I may feel like working 2PM Tues. or I might not feel like working at all on Tues. Wed. or Thurs.- Bosses don't like that sh*t. Sometimes I get anxiety attacks about an upcoming task, and may get up at 4 AM. to get it done and over with. Everything that has to be done on a certain day I like to it over with so for the rest of the day I can relax.

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Just a thought...

In 1990, this article states that only 30% of the workforce was over 55. Baby boomers at this time were between approximately 46 and 26 years old.

Now, lo and behold, almost 50% of the work force is made up of people over 55. I wonder why?

I sure questioned that one.............mathematics just doesn't bear it out, unless there are a hell of a lot of unemployed people between 15 and 55...............Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

The financial meltdown affected many. Many retired with debt- as in substantial mortgages- personal debt.

There's two kinds of debt- the bad one which you haven't got covered and the interest is high and the good one which you do have covered at interest rates or dividends as high or higher than that on the debt. -
 
karrie
+1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

The financial meltdown affected many. Many retired with debt- as in substantial mortgages- personal debt.


Even without that, just basic population dynamics would dictate that as babyboomers hit over 55, we'd have more people over 55 working than we had when babyboomers were under 55.

Even before the market tanked retirement funds, most people I know wouldn't have retired out of the workforce. Working retirement is just too perfect for many.
 
L Gilbert
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

One of the main reasons I quit working, is a compulsion to perform when people are depending on me, hence my absenses or tardiness over a year could probably be counted on one finger if at all. Hence I have a problem with calendars and clocks, which doesn't work very well in work situations. I might not feel like working at 7AM Tues. but I may feel like working 2PM Tues. or I might not feel like working at all on Tues. Wed. or Thurs.- Bosses don't like that sh*t. Sometimes I get anxiety attacks about an upcoming task, and may get up at 4 AM. to get it done and over with. Everything that has to be done on a certain day I like to it over with so for the rest of the day I can relax.

Well, it's probably a good thing that you quit if you can't be counted upon until you feel compelled.

I show up because I don't want to let down the kid I train regardless of whether I feel like working or not. If I show up and see that everyone's managing I leave. The dude I contract to or the kid can phone if they need me.
 
JLM
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Well, it's probably a good thing that you quit if you can't be counted upon until you feel compelled.

.

It's not a matter of "can't", but more a matter of not feeling like it not enjoying it so don't want Monday - Friday, 8-5 routine. Did that sh*t for over 35 years.-
 
Goober
+3
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

It's not a matter of "can't", but more a matter of not feeling like it not enjoying it so don't want Monday - Friday, 8-5 routine. Did that sh*t for over 35 years.-

And you have no problem- yet people who choose to work past retirement have a problem. Why is that?
 

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