Myself I will stay away from Farmed Salmon for a tad.


Goober
#1
Myself I will stay away from Farmed Salmon for a tad

No consider all the special handling for these fish. Now go eat them. Not Freaking Likely.

Quarantined Nova Scotia salmon headed to New Brunswick for processing - The Globe and Mail

Cooke is the first company to process salmon with the disease under new protocols set out by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, company spokeswoman Nell Halse said.

The federal agency said the virus does not pose a risk to human health and is safe for consumption.

“They’re perfectly safe to eat,” said Ms. Halse. “In this case we’ve got fish that are market size. There’s nothing wrong with them from a human health perspective.

“It’s really only an issue for fish health. It’s nothing to do with human health.”

Ms. Halse said Canadian Food Inspection Agency officials have been at both sites over the past six months developing proper guidelines for the processing.

That includes disinfecting the fish plant and setting protocols for managing the waste water in the tanker trucks that transport the fish.

Ms. Halse said everyone involved has gone through strict training on how to handle the fish to prevent the virus from spreading.

“All of the boat captains, the truck drivers, the plant workers have all been trained to know how to handle these fish so that there’s no possibility of the virus getting back out into the ocean or going to other farms.”

Last spring, Cooke had to kill hundreds of thousands of salmon because of an outbreak of infectious salmon anemia in pens outside Nova Scotia’s Shelburne Harbour.

Ms. Halse said those fish were killed because they were only halfway through production and too small to be marketed.

She said a different strain of the virus was detected at its Coffin Island farm last June, so the site was quarantined and the salmon were grown to full market size.

If the federal agency doesn’t order the fish to be killed off, the farmer is obligated to process and market the fish, Ms. Halse said. The government compensates salmon growers in instances that a cull is ordered.
 
petros
#2
Eat SK pickerel available at your local supermarket!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Eat SK pickerel available at your local supermarket!

They are rather bony are they not? I had them decades ago, tasty as hell.
 
petros
#4
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They are rather bony are they not? I had them decades ago, tasty as hell.

Not really, if you're good at cooking fish, the spine and all the bones pull out nicely, if you aren't good at cooking fish cut it into steaks.
 
Goober
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Not really, if you're good at cooking fish, the spine and all the bones pull out nicely, if you aren't good at cooking fish cut it into steaks.

I like mine on the BBQ- I make a blackened trout that is tasty. Imagine you could do the same with pickerel. Or if you have some tips will to try.
 
Spade
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In Alberta, the sport fishery for pickerel (and even the lowly jackfish) has collapsed.

PS
Cook well.
 
Goober
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

In Alberta, the sport fishery for pickerel (and even the lowly jackfish) has collapsed.

PS
Cook well.

Overfishing? Lake contamination?
 
Spade
#8
Fish Tapeworm in Man
Both
 
Goober
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Fish Tapeworm in Man
Both

So stay away from Sushi?
 
Spade
#10
Freshwater sushi for sure!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Freshwater sushi for sure!

Raw fish- salt or fresh- Yuck.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Fish Tapeworm in Man
Both

Ah, tapeworms. Eat all you want and never get fat.
 
Spade
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#13
And, inside 20 metres of weight control...
 
Goober
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

And, inside 20 metres of weight control...

How do they get rid of those puppies.
 
Tonington
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Just so we're clear...the salmon weren't clinically diseased, they tested positive for ISA virus. This past year there have been a couple positive tests at different sites across the Atlantic region, coinciding with returning wild Atlantic salmon. All for the variant of ISA called HPR0, think of it like the H in H_N_ influenza. HPR0 is a low pathogenicity strain of the ISA virus. It doesn't normally cause infection in the salmon, but it can mutate like the influenza virus does. Depopulation is the standard procedure these days because if it does mutate into a more pathogenic strain, it can cause massive mortality. Even when a fish is vaccinated, it can and will still test positive for the virus. The vaccine doesn't stop the virus from entering the body, it just provides an immune response so that the body has stored antibodies ready to aid in preventing clinical disease from the virus when and if it does enter the body.

And as for salmon, the wild salmon you eat will test positive for all sorts of viruses, as will most of the food you bring home from the grocery store. There are millions of viruses in a tea spoon of seawater. Most are inert and do nothing. All of the fish pathogenic viruses will do nothing to a human. In this case the site gets quarantined and then they monitor the health of the fish, and they were able to harvest them.

If it were the strain we use at work for testing vaccines, many of the fish would be sick, and some would die. With time the infection clears.

It's not surprising at all that farm fish will test positive for virus after entering the ocean. They are raised in water treated to make it virus and bacteria free. The ocean is not, there are fish swimming around all the time carrying viruses, bacteria, and parasites. The farmed fish you could think of as being raised in a bubble, given some vaccinations, and then sent out into the wide world.
 
damngrumpy
#16
It makes me happy I don't like fish period except for Lobster. Fish farms are not the
way to go in my opinion and I don't support industries I disagree with/
 
Spade
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

How do they get rid of those puppies.

Your doctor will wind it on a stick until it breaks.
Fish tapeworm
 
Sal
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Raw fish- salt or fresh- Yuck.

it all tastes too fishy for me...even the stuff that isn't supposed to taste fishy... give me some prime rib...I'll stick to that
 
Goober
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Just so we're clear...the salmon weren't clinically diseased, they tested positive for ISA virus. This past year there have been a couple positive tests at different sites across the Atlantic region, coinciding with returning wild Atlantic salmon. All for the variant of ISA called HPR0, think of it like the H in H_N_ influenza. HPR0 is a low pathogenicity strain of the ISA virus. It doesn't normally cause infection in the salmon, but it can mutate like the influenza virus does. Depopulation is the standard procedure these days because if it does mutate into a more pathogenic strain, it can cause massive mortality. Even when a fish is vaccinated, it can and will still test positive for the virus. The vaccine doesn't stop the virus from entering the body, it just provides an immune response so that the body has stored antibodies ready to aid in preventing clinical disease from the virus when and if it does enter the body.
And as for salmon, the wild salmon you eat will test positive for all sorts of viruses, as will most of the food you bring home from the grocery store. There are millions of viruses in a tea spoon of seawater. Most are inert and do nothing. All of the fish pathogenic viruses will do nothing to a human. In this case the site gets quarantined and then they monitor the health of the fish, and they were able to harvest them.
If it were the strain we use at work for testing vaccines, many of the fish would be sick, and some would...

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We are crawling with bacteria and viruses. We have approx 4 to 5 k differing types of bacteria in out stomachs. What is the name of that specialist that due to a patients treatments must have shxt from a close relative inserted.
Then we get to this.
And all those precautions make me feel warm all over.
 
Sal
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Your doctor will wind it on a stick until it breaks.
Fish tapeworm

you could not pay enough to click on that link...
 
Cliffy
#21
I thought that fish farming was moving inland and getting out of our oceans, at least that is what I heard about BC fish farms. These farms pollute our oceans and contaminate wild stock. Raising fish in a sterile environment and then sticking them in a wild environment is just crazy. They have no immunity to what is out there, kinda like bringing European diseases to the Americas, and we all know how disastrous that was.
 
Goober
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Your doctor will wind it on a stick until it breaks.
Fish tapeworm

So it comes out in the end.
 
Spade
+1
#23
Most of it...
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Most of it...

WTF is most.
 
Sal
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#25
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Most of it...

scuse me? WTF does that mean
 
Cliffy
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#26
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scuse me? WTF does that mean

Tape worms are segmented. Some of those segments can remain inside you.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

scuse me? WTF does that mean

What the Fuk
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

We are crawling with bacteria and viruses.

And some is beneficial. And some is not. The point is finding a virus in a PCR lab test doesn't mean the fish are sick. It definitely does not mean you will get ill. I'm not wearing a Level 4 biosafety suit at work...
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We have approx 4 to 5 k differing types of bacteria in out stomachs. What is the name of that specialist that due to a patients treatments must have shxt from a close relative inserted.

It's called a fecal transplant, and it's needed now because we've used ridiculous amounts of antibiotics, sometimes at sub-clincal doses which is insane, and now there a whole bunch of bacteria that we can't treat with even the most harshest intravenous antibiotic courses.

Quote:

Then we get to this.

Comparing antibiotic resistance due to proliferated and widespread abuse of antibiotics doesn't belong in the same discussion as a fish in the ocean carrying a virus that it has evolved with, and a strain of which is practically benign. Though if you want to get down to tacks, the other food you eat like chicken, beef, pork, or dairy, they definitely belong in a discussion about antibiotic resistance. There is very little cross-over between marine bacteria and those on land and in warm blooded animals like those we eat. Whereas there is a great deal of cross-over between the bacteria in terrestrial animals and ourselves.

Quote:

And all those precautions make me feel warm all over.

Hey I'm just giving you the facts. This is my trade afterall.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

They have no immunity to what is out there

Vaccines...provide an immune response...
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

In Alberta, the sport fishery for pickerel (and even the lowly jackfish) has collapsed.

PS
Cook well.


That's a sad state of affairs.

Round here (Rideau system),the average keeper pike used to be 5lb. We threw back everything under, and released everything over, to spawn again.

Now you can fish all season and not catch one over 3lb.

Bass are being decimated, and the prov. govt. in their wisdom, took the size limit off.

Pickerel, as always, few and far between.

Lots of Lake Trout but we are forbidden to catch them through the ice. They collapsed years ago and it took a decade to revive the species for the American tourist to catch in the summer.

Crappie have been seriously threatened.

Lots of Sunfish (for now)

Most frozen fish come from China and I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

Doesn't leave a whole lot.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Vaccines...provide an immune response...

Oh, that is good for the pharmaceutical giants, but bad for the fish. Don't you think that fish will eventually develop an immunity to vaccines and anti-biotics the way land animals have? Crazy game of god playing, IMO.
 

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