Boy, 12, guilty of killing neo-Nazi dad

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Boy, 12, guilty of killing neo-Nazi dad
By Dan Whitcomb, Reuters

RIVERSIDE, CALIF. - A California boy, now 12, was convicted of second-degree murder on Monday for shooting dead his neo-Nazi father, following a juvenile trial that centered on allegations of abuse and the young defendant’s grasp of right and wrong.
The verdict by Superior Court Judge Jean Leonard means that Joseph Hall, who was 10 years old when he shot his father to death at point-blank range in May of 2011, could be sentenced to a juvenile facility until he is 23.
He faces a disposition hearing on February 15 to determine where he will be placed.
Jeffrey Hall, 32, was a regional director of the National Socialist Movement, a white separatist group. The case in Riverside, 60 miles east of Los Angeles, has made headlines because of his neo-Nazi ties and the rarity of a parent being killed by a child so young.
In rendering her verdict, Leonard said she weighed evidence that the boy had suffered a lifetime of abuse. “He was abused and neglected from the womb,” she said. “The NSM taught him things a minor should not know about.”
The judge, who heard the case without a jury, said she had determined that at the time of the shooting Joseph Hall understood that what he was doing was wrong, a key finding in the juvenile court case.


“The minor chose his own way and made his own rules,” she said. The boy showed little reaction as the verdict was read.
Because Hall is a minor, the purpose of the trial was not to determine guilt or innocence, but whether allegations about his motives and grasp of right and wrong were true.
’NO HAPPY ENDING’
Defense attorneys had argued during the trial that Hall should not be held responsible for his actions because a lifetime of abuse and his father’s neo-Nazi activities had conditioned him to violence.
But prosecutors said that the boy, who lived with four siblings, shot his father because he thought he was planning to divorce his stepmother and break up the family. Hall shot his father with the man’s own gun.
“This was a very difficult case to prosecute. I have very mixed emotions. There’s a lot of sadness in it. Joseph is a little boy and his life has been very very sad,” Riverside County Deputy District Attorney Michael Soccio said.
“My position is that the NSM had very little if anything to do with the killing,” Soccio said. “The question is, what do we do now?”
Hall’s lead defense attorney, Matthew Hardy, called the second-degree verdict a “tragedy” and said it could lead to his client’s incarceration in a California Division of Juvenile Justice facility with the “worst of the worst” young offenders.
“If we create a monster, I’m not saying Joseph is a monster but as a society if we create a monster we have some responsibility for what that monster does,” he said, adding that he was considering an appeal of the verdict.
Experts say the murder of a parent by a child so young is extremely rare.
Kathleen Heide, a criminologist who specializes in juvenile offenders, has told Reuters that 8,000 murder victims over the past 32 years were slain by their offspring, but only 16 of those crimes were committed by defendants aged 10 or younger.
“There can be no happy ending for our family,” Hall’s grandmother, JoAnn Becker, told Reuters following the verdict.

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I have a difficult time with this one. If he were not raised in an environment of such heavy abuse and violence would it have been a viable option for him, at the age of 10, to deal with his emotions regarding his father? The same father who apparently raised him in an environment of abuse and violence.

I mean if this is true:
Court records show the boy went hungry and lived in poor conditions for the first two years of his life while his parents went through a divorce.
Both parents accused each other of child abuse.
After the divorce, he lived with his mom, but social workers took him away when he was two, after finding he and his siblings were hungry and dirty, living in a home with maggots on the dishes and curdled milk in the babies' bottles.
from this previous article Boy, 10, accused of killing his neo-Nazi dad - World - Canoe.ca


and he did fear losing his step-mother in a divorce, can anyone really blame him for what he did?



I don't know, but on the surface at least it definitely seems that the father has reaped what he has sown. And I fear this boy will come out of detention a confirmed monster, he won't be helped by incarceration.
 

Walter

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Two sayings come to mind:

1. Do the crime, do the time.

2. No good deed goes unpunished.
 

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This is one of those "crimes" where the defendent should be fined one dollar, payment of which is suspended indefinitely!
 

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In rendering her verdict, Leonard said she weighed evidence that the boy had suffered a lifetime of abuse. “He was abused and neglected from the womb,” she said. “The NSM taught him things a minor should not know about.”
Yes so where was child protective services in all of this?

“The minor chose his own way and made his own rules,” she said.
Yes he did, but he was TEN. Most kids think they know everything. It's part of youth. So once again, where was child protective services.
The boy showed little reaction as the verdict was read.
Because he is too young to comprehend what is going on.
Defense attorneys had argued during the trial that Hall should not be held responsible for his actions because a lifetime of abuse and his father’s neo-Nazi activities had conditioned him to violence.
Bingo.
Hall shot his father with the man’s own gun.
Wow now here IS justification for no gun control.

“This was a very difficult case to prosecute. I have very mixed emotions. There’s a lot of sadness in it. Joseph is a little boy and his life has been very very sad,” Riverside County Deputy District Attorney Michael Soccio said.
“My position is that the NSM had very little if anything to do with the killing,” Soccio said.
Baloney.

Hall’s lead defense attorney, Matthew Hardy, called the second-degree verdict a “tragedy” and said it could lead to his client’s incarceration in a California Division of Juvenile Justice facility with the “worst of the worst” young offenders.
“If we create a monster, I’m not saying Joseph is a monster but as a society if we create a monster we have some responsibility for what that monster does,” he said, adding that he was considering an appeal of the verdict.
Agree

Experts say the murder of a parent by a child so young is extremely rare.
From a gene pool of crazy and an environment of crazy...it doesn't look too good for little Joseph, except that he killed him to keep his family together...I think actually strangely enough...that shows heart.
I mean if this is true:

from this previous article Boy, 10, accused of killing his neo-Nazi dad - World - Canoe.ca


and he did fear losing his step-mother in a divorce, can anyone really blame him for what he did?
I agree.
 

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I'm thinking that, one, there's one less piece of crap on this world, and two, that perhaps this will be getting an appeal(if that's possible in this case)?
 

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Alright he was neglected and he didn't have a home life if everyone reacted that way
that had this treatment the streets would be littered with bodies, sort of like Syria.
On the other hand he made a judgement on right and wrong based of what he had
learned what was right and wrong which was a skewed vision at best.
I think this is a case of where he needs some counselling and a chance at a normal
life. Putting him in a facility under these conditions is like punishing him for being
alive twice.
 

Kreskin

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A freakin 10-year old guilty of 2nd degree murder and now incarcerated? The justice system is nuts.
 

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A freakin 10-year old guilty of 2nd degree murder and now incarcerated? The justice system is nuts.

Age is only one consideration here. There was that little bastard in England years ago who was about 10 that murdered a couple of 3 year old kids. He was totally f**ked, albeit probably not all his fault, but still he has to be put somewhere for an extended period for everyone's safety. This case is probably much different by the sounds of it.