Supreme Court ruling may force cities to spend millions for upkeep of rarely-used roa

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Supreme Court ruling may force cities to spend millions for upkeep of rarely-used roads

Personal injuries, paralysis and the mental health issues that arise from such ailments are sad and terrible, and society should do everything it can to help people heal from, and adapt to, such problems.
That disclaimer seems important when discussing the plight of Shannon and Erica Deering, two Ontario sisters left wheelchair-bound by a single-vehicle accident nearly a decade ago.


Both Deerings suffered partial paralysis after a 2004 crash, when Shannon drove her car into a ditch between Oshawa and the municipality of Scugog. The communities were later found two-thirds responsible for the crash because of the quality of the road.
The Toronto Star reports that the Supreme Court of Canada upheld that ruling this week, creating a possible precedent for holding municipalities at fault for accidents that happen on their roadways.

Roger Oatley, the Deerings’ lawyer, told the newspaper that the ruling states that municipalities “have to take reasonable steps to assess the safety of old rural roads and do their best to bring them up to modern standards.”
The ruling could also require the courts to establish a legal framework for how to determine whether or not a road is reasonably safe. It could force Canadian cities to invest millions of dollars into upkeep for rarely-used back roads and highways.


While we would all love to live in a utopian world where every road is paved and lined, with flashing lights and warning signs posted every 50 yards, that doesn’t come cheap.If towns are required to maintain every roadway to the level of the Trans-Canada Highway, it will mean a punishing increase in infrastructure spending and taxes. Scugog, one of the smaller communities in the Greater Toronto Area, has 200 kilometres of country road to maintain.



According to the 2010 ruling, the road had hidden dangers that required line markings and speed reduction warnings. Those changes have since been made to the roadway.
That should not be considered an admission of guilt, although that’s the way Shannon Deering sees it.

The fact that Shannon Deering admitted she was speeding at the time of the crash does not seem to bear much weight in the case. It earned her one-third responsibility, according to the court. But it also earned her an undisclosed financial settlement.
No doubt Shannon and Erica Deering would trade that settlement for the ability to walk again, but they can’t. No doubt the next person to injure themselves driving into the ditch will consider asking for the same payoff.


Supreme Court ruling may force cities to spend millions for upkeep of rarely-used roads | Daily Brew - Yahoo! News Canada


I find it hard to believe that driving beyond the posted speed limit only earned her 1/3 responsibility in the court's eyes. Can't say, at least on the surface of it, that I really agree with the SCC on this one. Anyone else heard about this case?
 

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Makes you wonder what the county does with the tax money they collect for this purpose

Shiny new cadillac for Boss Hogg?

I think if you're over the posted speed limit, all bets are off. If you're going the speed limit and the condition of the road is such that you cannot help but crash, then yes the municipality is at fault, at least partially. I don't know, maybe it was analyzed and determined that even at the posted speed limit any driver corrections for the condition of that road wouldn't help but it would have to be in egregiously bad shape then wouldn't it? Are the rural roads really that bad?
 

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Cheapest solution is a ROAD CLOSED sign. If you are not going to maintain a road, you should close it.

Often not practical!

Shiny new cadillac for Boss Hogg?

I think if you're over the posted speed limit, all bets are off. If you're going the speed limit and the condition of the road is such that you cannot help but crash, then yes the municipality is at fault, at least partially. I don't know, maybe it was analyzed and determined that even at the posted speed limit any driver corrections for the condition of that road wouldn't help but it would have to be in egregiously bad shape then wouldn't it? Are the rural roads really that bad?

I'm not sure about that.................I think driving according to road conditions trumps any signs!
 

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Rather a bizarre ruling. We must be missing some very important details of this decision. We have many joint use roads on the coast. The are off highway logging roads open to the public because there are communities at the end. How do you define reasonable condition on something like that? And perhaps more importantly who gets to decide?
 

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Rather a bizarre ruling. We must be missing some very important details of this decision. We have many joint use roads on the coast. The are off highway logging roads open to the public because there are communities at the end. How do you define reasonable condition on something like that? And perhaps more importantly who gets to decide?

Access to fires is another important consideration.
 

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From the original Ontario Court of Appeals judgement:

The core of those factual findings included: · The road had a unique feature, an “accident hill”, that presented an unusual and dangerous deflection of light that might lead even an ordinary, reasonable driver in the westbound lane to believe that eastbound traffic was in their lane as eastbound traffic crested the hill;
· The road was unlit;
· The speed limit was unposted and excessive such that even a driver going at or slightly under the speed limit would not have sufficient time to react to oncoming traffic;
· There was no centre line on the road; and
· The road was excessively narrow in light of the above factors.
[9] Put simply, at the crest of the subject hill, even a prudent driver facing nighttime eastbound traffic would have only seconds to react to an apparently directly oncoming car on a narrow, unlit, unmarked and unsigned rural road. Accordingly, the trial judge’s finding that the road was in a state of non-repair and his conclusion that the municipalities were at fault for the non-repair were entirely reasonable.

Deering v. Scugog (Township), 2012 ONCA 386



Apparently the SCC rejected to the appeal of the municipality for this ruling.
 

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From the original Ontario Court of Appeals judgement:


Deering v. Scugog (Township), 2012 ONCA 386



Apparently the SCC rejected to the appeal of the municipality for this ruling.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

I bet none of the supremes lived in the country. This is a rural road not a city street. Did they define exactly what constitutes a proper roadway in the decision? IF not all they did is leave the door open for more expensive lawsuits.
 

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If towns are required to maintain every roadway to the level of the Trans-Canada Highway,
Jesus H Christ!!! The TCH is a piece of crap that was slapped together to minimal standards.

Who wrote this? Some bicycle riding, granoloa eatiing moonbeam?
 

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The infrastructure we built has not been maintained over the past twenty years to save
tax dollars. Canada has large tracts of rural lands and though some roads are not
used that much rural society depends on them municipal does not necessarily mean
urban. We pay sooner or later and had we not all rushed to pander to politicians who
who were going to save us all that money we wouldn't have the problems in this area
we are having now. Short term solutions are usually not the best aside from emergency
situations.
Yes driving according to road conditions is important and should be considered even
so people in less populated areas are entitled to some level of service.
If we don't keep infrastructure working at efficient levels we will pay with inflated dollars
to fix it decades later. Good decision by the Supreme Court. the money wasted going
to the Supreme Court would likely have paid for a considerable portion of the upgrade
of one or more roads.
 

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It'd help if people drove properly alright. Around here (rural) everytime it snows, the center line (I mean line, not lines), where it actually has been applied, gets covered and people drive in the middle of the road. That's all nice n handy if there is no-one coming from the opposite direction. In that case, people do move over, but when their drivers' side wheels get into the rut their passenger side wheels are normally running in. The passengers side wheels kind of end up riding on a slushy, greasy mess that tugs them over to the ditch, it's a bit of a battle to keep vehicle going down the road instead of into the oncoming or the ditch.
F'n morons abound. The contractor that is hired by the guvmint to caretake the road hires drivers that are too freakin lazy to put chains on the sand/plowtrucks, too, so invariably, some of the first few vehicles in the ditches at the first snowfalls are sand/plowtrucks.

One of wife's ex-employers has a Greek restaurant in Penticton (His name's "Nikko" lol). Only time I've ever been able to stomach eating sheep. Also, they make this shrimp dish that's just stupendously delicious (among others).
 
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WTF? Andem figure this is April 1st?

F'in weird.