Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Locutus

#1Nov 15th, 2012

Derp.

Canadian Mom on Mission to Get City to Chop Down Oak Trees…Because They Threaten Kids’ Allergies & Can Be Used to ‘Bully & Torment’

Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies, Vaughan mother claims - thestar.com

h/t The Blaze

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karrie

#2 Top Rated Post

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 15th, 2012

is it legal to pelt a woman with acorns? Because she deserves it.

SLM

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 15th, 2012

I bet you this is the same woman who tries to ban street hockey year after year too!

Cannuck

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 15th, 2012

As usual, I'm not a bandwagon jumper. My first question would be, have there been incidents of bullying with acorns?

Serryah

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

...

No words, just... no words.

shadowshiv

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

So basically let's get rid of everything, because a bully will use anything they can get their grubby little hands on to bully someone. Getting rid of oak trees? Show some common sense lady! We've already lost the Ash trees because of a stupid insect, and now she wants to cut down another species of tree?

SLM

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Bubble wrap people! Protection against almost everything if you use enough of it.

It's the investment choice for the future!!!

shadowshiv

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

Bubble wrap people! Protection against almost everything if you use enough of it.

It's the investment choice for the future!!!

Are you a Stock-Holder of Bubble Wrap(tm)?

SLM

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshiv

Are you a Stock-Holder of Bubble Wrap(tm)?

I should be, I really should be. But no, all my money goes into my mortgage, lol.

captain morgan

#10

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by shadowshiv

So basically let's get rid of everything, because a bully will use anything they can get their grubby little hands on to bully someone. Getting rid of oak trees? Show some common sense lady! We've already lost the Ash trees because of a stupid insect, and now she wants to cut down another species of tree?

What is this lady going to do when some bully throws a rock at snookums?... Ban all geologic formations that may produce rocks?

This individual defies all levels of stupidity

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

Bubble wrap people! Protection against almost everything if you use enough of it.

It's the investment choice for the future!!!

Get with the times SLM.... Bubble wrap is sooo yesterday.

SLM

#11

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

This individual defies all levels of stupidity

Probably not the success story her parents hoped she'd become.

But, then again, they knew her so maybe they had more realistic expectations.

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Get with the times SLM.... Bubble wrap is sooo yesterday.

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Pffft!!!! Fancy-schmancy air filled plastic in 'fashion colours'. Nothing more.

Just bubble wrap for the private school crowd.

Cannuck

#12

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

As usual, I'm not a bandwagon jumper. My first question would be, have there been incidents of bullying with acorns?

Anybody?

taxslave

#13

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

As usual, I'm not a bandwagon jumper. My first question would be, have there been incidents of bullying with acorns?

Well there was this squirrel..

IdRatherBeSkiing

#14

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

Bubble wrap people! Protection against almost everything if you use enough of it.

It's the investment choice for the future!!!

People would just bully everybody with that incesant and non stop popping sound.

karrie

#15

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Anybody?

Would it matter if there were? Why remove the acorns rather than deal with the bullying.

She said they 'can' be used for bullying, so it sounds pretty theoretical.

taxslave

#16

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Ir teally sound like the only nut in this story is the woman doing all the complaining.

captain morgan

#17

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Anybody?

The other side of this coin is that the fledgling oaks-to-be have been mercilessly abused.

Where's Suzuki when you really need him.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

Well there was this squirrel..

How many poor wee, acorns are to be kidnapped and slain until someone takes action? Why are none of the pictures of these poor acorn-victims on milk cartons?

For once, won't someone please think of the children!

Corduroy

#18

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

When I was a student, my school wasn't nut free. Everybody ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and I don't remember anyone going to the hospital for an allergy. I'm not saying nut allergies aren't a real thing, but what happened between now and when I was in school? Why are more children deathly allergic to nuts these days?

darkbeaver

#19

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy

When I was a student, my school wasn't nut free. Everybody ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and I don't remember anyone going to the hospital for an allergy. I'm not saying nut allergies aren't a real thing, but what happened between now and when I was in school? Why are more children deathly allergic to nuts these days?

It's the pseudo food.

karrie

#20

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy

When I was a student, my school wasn't nut free. Everybody ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and I don't remember anyone going to the hospital for an allergy. I'm not saying nut allergies aren't a real thing, but what happened between now and when I was in school? Why are more children deathly allergic to nuts these days?

kids are kept too clean, which leads to under developed immune systems that don't know how to react appropriately to stressors. There is also more asthma, more arthritis, and more overall allergies and sensitivities in the upcoming generation.

Cannuck

#21

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

Would it matter if there were?

Possibly

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

Why remove the acorns rather than deal with the bullying.

Yes, why indeed. The reason I asked the question is that a good friend of mine yanked her kids out of one school and placed them in another because her son was terribly afraid to go to school. This happened two weeks ago. Not only did the school make no effort to deal with the situation, the boy's teacher was not even aware that the parents made multiple visits to the principal. Schools and school boards love to talk the talk. The reality is that engineering controls are far more effective than administrative controls.

I would like to know the whole story before I start throwing labels at the woman. I'm kinda funny that way.

earth_as_one

#22

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 16th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

kids are kept too clean, which leads to under developed immune systems that don't know how to react appropriately to stressors. There is also more asthma, more arthritis, and more overall allergies and sensitivities in the upcoming generation.

I've heard that explanation.

Another is that our environment is more polluted and allergies may be a symptom of complex interactions between man made pollutants.

But without a doubt allergies are a bigger problem than they were a generation ago.

CDNBear

#23

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

A little fact for the perpetually contrary and obviously oblivious...

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

Both acorns and chestnuts are a member of the plant family called Fagaceae. This family is different from those of tree nuts (almond, walnut, hickory, pecan, cashew). The substances that produce allergy in acorns and chestnuts are therefore different than those that produce allergy to the other tree nuts. To my knowledge, there is no risk of a patient with nut allergy having a reaction to contact with acorns or with leaves of any sort. I could not find any evidence for such risk on an Internet search.

The only allergy reaction to acorns that I am aware of occurs in areas of the world where they are eaten, and occurs to the ingestion of the acorn. In this instance the allergy is separate from nut allergy.

Should you wish to read about this in a little more detail, there is an excellent and concise summary written by Lynn Christie, M.S.R.D. for the Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network. It is available free of charge online. You can "Google" a search using Ms. Christie's name, or the website is: http://www.schoolhealthservicesny.com/uploads/Acorns%20Pinecones.pdf.

Thank you again for your inquiry and we hope this response is helpful to you.
Thank
Sincerely,
Phil Lieberman, M.D.

And if you're interested in what Lynn Christie MD has to say on it...

"There is no information in the literature that suggests that individuals with a nut allergy should avoid skin contact with acorns. Acorns are the fruit or nut of the oak tree. Like tree nuts that cause allergic reactions in some individuals, acorns have a hard shell or outer coating and the "meat" of the nut is inside.

Fortunately, we do not use acorns as a part of our diets like the Native Americans did over 400 years ago. The meat of the acorn is very bitter and requires intense labor to make it palatable.

When someone is diagnosed with a tree nut allergy, they may be allergic to one or more types of tree nuts. They are usually counseled to avoid all tree nuts: almond, Brazil nut, cashew, chestnut, filbert/hazelnuts, hickory nuts, macadamia nuts, pecan, pine nuts, pistachios, and walnuts. This is because of the difficulty in determining if one type of nut is substituted for another in a recipe, cross-contact during processing or shipping, and unlikely potential of cross-reactivity. These situations put one at risk of an accidental ingestion.

If one has skin contact with the "meat" of the specific tree nut to which they are allergic, they may experience hives or contact dermatitis.

This is very individualized. There were no scientific papers or case reports of allergic reactions associated with skin exposure to acorns or pinecones. After consulting with my peers, we comfortably recommend that if one has a nut allergy, they should be able to have contact with acorns or pinecones without risk of an allergic reaction."

Lynn Christie, M.S., is a registered dietitian and clinical coordinator for the Pediatric Allergy and Immunology Division at Arkansas Children's Hospital, University of Arkansas Medical Science, Little Rock, AR. She is also a member of FAAN's Program Committee."

There you go, the facts. I like to know the facts before I'm willing to not jump on the 'bandwagon'. I'm kind of funny that way.

Mrs. Giustizia is a nut. How she managed to get to chair her childs school allergy committee, is probably a better question to be asking.

I have a serious issue with people lobbying about things they obviously have limited to no education in. Especially when they use emotion to do so. Playing the 'bullying' card was a nice emotional touch, although not surprising, since her position has no standing in reality.

Last edited by CDNBear; Nov 17th, 2012 at 11:09 AM..

Dexter Sinister

#24

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

"A York Region mother is fighting to have oak trees removed near her child’s school, fearing that acorns could pose a deadly threat to students with severe allergies."
Sorry lady, but if exposure to acorns can kill your kid, your kid isn't going to make it.

Cannuck

#25

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Sorry lady, but if exposure to acorns can kill your kid, your kid isn't going to make it.

I don't think it was exposure she was worried about.

karrie

#26

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

"A York Region mother is fighting to have oak trees removed near her child’s school, fearing that acorns could pose a deadly threat to students with severe allergies."
Sorry lady, but if exposure to acorns can kill your kid, your kid isn't going to make it.

"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

I don't think it was exposure she was worried about.

I'm sorry, this statement confused me, can you explain?

SLM

#27

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.

Yes! I saw that one, Tim something or other. Nutt maybe? Suggest a plastic bubble? Lol. Fantastic bit!!

Cannuck

#28

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

I don't think it was exposure she was worried about.

She made reference to bullies. I know of a kid (actually he is 21 now) with a severe peanut allergy and he was bullied in his younger days. Some kids would tell him that they were going to hold him down and fill his mouth with peanut butter. I just think that goes a little beyond "exposure". It's kind of like telling someone on the Titanic that they may experience some wetness.

Dexter Sinister

#29

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 17th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.

Ah, that tweaked my memory. Took me a while to find it, but I guess now I have to confess to plagiarism. Starts around 6:20 in this little video. though I think it's worth watching the rest of it to get there, this guy's pretty good. In my defense, it was 11 years ago, I can't be expected to remember who said everything I've ever heard anybody say.

Simon B Cotter - Just For Laughs 2001 - YouTube

karrie

#30

Re: Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Nov 18th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

She made reference to bullies. I know of a kid (actually he is 21 now) with a severe peanut allergy and he was bullied in his younger days. Some kids would tell him that they were going to hold him down and fill his mouth with peanut butter. I just think that goes a little beyond "exposure". It's kind of like telling someone on the Titanic that they may experience some wetness.

uhm, no, her primary complaint was allergies if you read the article and her statements.

Taking away the acorns wouldn't stop a bully from threatening to come shove a kids mouth full of peanut butter anyway.

Bullies will bully regardless of the tools at their disposal.

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