Regina man gets jail for racist messages.


petros
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Hooray for Free Speech!

Saskatchewan man who refused to stop posting racist messages on websites is going to jail.

On Wednesday, a Federal Court judge sentenced Terry Tremaine of Regina to at least 30 days in jail for acting in contempt of an order of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.

Tremaine, a former University of Saskatchewan math instructor, was found in 2007 to have posted messages online that attacked people of various races.

"The theme of Mr. Tremaine's messages was that Jews, blacks and other non-whites are destroying Canada and they should either be deported or segregated," Justice Sean Harrington said.

"They were described as vermin, a disease, parasites, criminals, scoundrels, embezzlers and liars. They were portrayed as dangerous and in some cases intellectually inferior."

Tremaine was ordered to stop posting such messages and when he failed to do so, he was slapped with a contempt order.

In a sentencing decision released Wednesday, Harrington ordered Tremaine to take steps to remove his posting from two websites Stormfront.org and the National Socialist Party of Canada website.

If Tremaine complies with the order, his jail sentence is 30 days. If he refuses, he faces another six months behind bars, the judge said.

"Mr. Tremaine has clearly intended to flout the law, to demean the Tribunal and this Court," Harrington wrote in his decision, adding that Tremaine apologized at one point, but later recanted.

"I do not expect Mr. Tremaine to apologize," Harrington said. "He is a true believer. He is free to flout the order I am about to issue, but he must remember that freedom has its price."

Tremaine has been in and out of court in Saskatchewan, on matters relating to his online activity, for several years.

In September, a Queen's Bench judge stayed a criminal code charge of promoting hatred, because the case was taking too long to get to trial.

Justice Fred Kovach said the case had been dragging through the courts for more than four years and any trial date would still be several months ahead.

He ruled Tremaine's constitutional right to a trial within a reasonable time had been violated and as a result, the case couldn't go ahead.

At that court proceeding it was learned that Tremaine was living on welfare.

More including disclosure: Regina man gets jail for racist messages - Saskatchewan - CBC News
 
gopher
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God punishes!

~ Tremaine was living on welfare ~

No surprise!
 
petros
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That is indeed punishment.
 
B00Mer
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He was jailed for contempt of a court order... not jail for being a racist slime ball..

I'm sure he will have a good education in jail and come out with a bunch of new contacts of people with the same opinions as he has..
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

He was jailed for contempt of a court order... not jail for being a racist slime ball..

I'm sure he will have a good education in jail and come out with a bunch of new contacts of people with the same opinions as he has..

He was ordered to stop posting racist remarks, didn't and was toss in the hoosegow. They didn't toss him in for breaking curfew. It was what he said and did....again.

Come out twith the same opinion and contacts? SK hoosegows are 90%+ non-whites. He'll be in Seg the entire time, 23 hour lock down and no contact with anyone but corrections staff.
 
PoliticalNick
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Not the first person to go to jail for disobeying a judges order, won't be the last.
 
karrie
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Freedom of speech does not extend the abuse of someone else's rights. Promoting the deportation of fellow Canadians because one doesn't like their looks is bound to get you into hot water.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Promoting the deportation of fellow Canadians because one doesn't like their looks is bound to get you into hot water.

If we deported all the ugly people, I'd be lonely but apparently I'd have the hot tub all to myself.
Last edited by petros; Nov 8th, 2012 at 02:07 AM..
 
damngrumpy
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Some people did anyone tell them its the twenty first century and most of their beliefs and
theories no longer applicable. Oh well someone is always to blame but not the person in
the mirror right.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

did anyone tell them its the twenty first century and most of their beliefs and
theories no longer applicable.

Somehow I don't think so, No.
Last edited by petros; Nov 8th, 2012 at 03:06 AM..
 
B00Mer
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What happen to the good'ole days when they would just get a bar of soap and wash his mouth out..



Any volunteers to holding this guy down??
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

What happen to the good'ole days when they would just get a bar of soap and wash his mouth out..



Any volunteers to holding this guy down??

I'll get the Irish Spring
 
DaSleeper
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One reader said it best when he quoted Noam Chomsky.......

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Freedom of speech does not extend the abuse of someone else's rights. Promoting the deportation of fellow Canadians because one doesn't like their looks is bound to get you into hot water.

Yep, I think he made one major mistake in generalizing that Jews, blacks etc. are destroying the country and should be deported, instead of saying the ones THAT are destroying the country should be deported.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Promoting the deportation of fellow Canadians because one doesn't like their looks is bound to get you into hot water.

It shouldn't.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

It shouldn't.


So, where would you like to go,? Ugly................


Being a math instructor, doesn't make someone, however intelligent, a good person. I read about this nutbar circa 2005-7 . Not impressed. Neither are the courts. Good thing.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

If we deported all the ugly people, I'd be lonely but apparently I'd have the hot tub all to myself.

The one in Siberia???
 
taxslave
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It would appear from this that we can either have free speech, no matter how vile or we can have PC kangaroo courts aka Human Rights Tribunals. I would rather have free speech.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

It would appear from this that we can either have free speech, no matter how vile or we can have PC kangaroo courts aka Human Rights Tribunals. I would rather have free speech.

Yep, there is a downside to every benefit!
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

So, where would you like to go,? Ugly................

I'm already home.

Quote:

Being a math instructor, doesn't make someone, however intelligent, a good person. I read about this nutbar circa 2005-7 . Not impressed.

Neither am I.

But that isn't the point.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

It shouldn't.

I'm torn on the issue.

I think anyone should be free to be as stupid as they want. But, there's a line crossed when they advocate doing something to someone else because of that stupidity.

Talk politics, talk policy, talk about your dislikes, fine. It's such a fine line though that I really don't know where it lies, but at some point between 'our country should limit Muslim immigration', and 'Let's round up all the Muslims'.... it gets crossed.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I'm torn on the issue.

I think anyone should be free to be as stupid as they want. But, there's a line crossed when they advocate doing something to someone else because of that stupidity.

Talk politics, talk policy, talk about your dislikes, fine. It's such a fine line though that I really don't know where it lies, but at some point between 'our country should limit Muslim immigration', and 'Let's round up all the Muslims'.... it gets crossed.

That line is between...

We should...

and...

Go do.
 
EagleSmack
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Should we say typical? What do you expect? Must be a red province? Same ol same ol?
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Should we say typical? What do you expect? Must be a red province? Same ol same ol?

It's odd to me for anyone in the prairie provinces to have an issue with 'the jews'. Now, racism against natives and immigrants, that I'm used to from Sask, but not anti-semitism.

As for it being a red province..... more purple than anything, pretty dead centre.
 
SLM
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For as long as Tremaine continues to post such things online he shows himself to be the very epitome of many of the things he hates in others.

Quote:

"They were described as vermin, a disease, parasites, criminals, scoundrels, embezzlers and liars. They were portrayed as dangerous and in some cases intellectually inferior."

Pick any sentiment I think it probably would fit him to a T. So why stop him? He's only injuring himself really, in the end. It's not as if someone who is not already racist is going to read them and say "My God, I think he's right!". That'll never happen. And I'd personally much rather they have a place to spew their venom where it can be watched, so that if a call to actually do something as opposed to say something ever happens, we can know and maybe cut it off before it happens.

I have a lot of pity for this guy. He's quite pathetic.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

For as long as Tremaine continues to post such things online he shows himself to be the very epitome of many of the things he hates in others.



Pick any sentiment I think it probably would fit him to a T. So why stop him? He's only injuring himself really, in the end. It's not as if someone who is not already racist is going to read them and say "My God, I think he's right!". That'll never happen. And I'd personally much rather they have a place to spew their venom where it can be watched, so that if a call to actually do something as opposed to say something ever happens, we can know and maybe cut it off before it happens.

I have a lot of pity for this guy. He's quite pathetic.

Actually you are right, if his message was just directed toward specific members who have harmed him, I think he's within his rights AS LONG as he makes it clear he is denigrating people not races (which he didn't do). If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!

What about an entire country, do they get the same protections?
 
The Old Medic
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You either have "Free Speech" or you do not. Canada does NOT have "Free Speech", it limits your speech to what is considered to be politically correct.

Yes, technically he was not sent to jail for what he said, he was sent to jail for violating a Judges order. BUT, that order limited his right to "Free Speech".

I find people like this Neo-Nazi to be vile and horrible, but I would support their right to freely express whatever they wish, so long as they are not inciting to violence.

It is FAR better that people like this be allowed to express their sickness, than to bottle it up, and encourage them to actually act it out. Limiting their speech just drives them underground, increasing their chances of becoming violent in the future.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Actually you are right, if his message was just directed toward specific members who have harmed him, I think he's within his rights AS LONG as he makes it clear he is denigrating people not races (which he didn't do). If he is painting an entire race with same brush, then the guy is obviously nuts and probably the least attention paid to him the better!

Actually if he is directing his message towards specific people then we're venturing into libel/slander which is a whole different ball of wax.

If he wants to hate all black people, hate all native people, hell if he wants to hate all blonde hair, blue eyed people that walk with a limp nothing anybody can say or do is going to change his mind. It's superficial these judgements, when they are used to paint with a broad stroke especially.

As vile as I think his messages are I think it's far more dangerous to turn him into some kind of martyr, which could easily happen if it appears too much that he's being victimized by 'the system'. Because then some of that pity could migrate into sympathy, and this person is not a sympathetic character. He's sad and pathetic.

So let him spew his venom and ignore him. Or, better yet, counter it with some of our own. That's far better than leaving people to hate in some dark corner somewhere.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

You either have "Free Speech" or you do not. Canada does NOT have "Free Speech", it limits your speech to what is considered to be politically correct.

Yes, technically he was not sent to jail for what he said, he was sent to jail for violating a Judges order. BUT, that order limited his right to "Free Speech".

I find people like this Neo-Nazi to be vile and horrible, but I would support their right to freely express whatever they wish, so long as they are not inciting to violence.

It is FAR better that people like this be allowed to express their sickness, than to bottle it up, and encourage them to actually act it out. Limiting their speech just drives them underground, increasing their chances of becoming violent in the future.





Old Medic, Bear- I certainly don't have the answers. In general terms if one man's "freedoms" compromises anothers man's freedoms, then "freedoms" become a mute point. Now if you spread it all over town that one person is a thief (when he isn't), that is probably much worse than saying an entire demography are thieves. J.M.H.O.
 

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