Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Locutus

#1Oct 6th, 2012

PC'ers run amok.

Does the Toronto District School Board’s latest policy make it OK for a boy to enter the girl’s washroom whenever he ‘feels’ like it?

In another controversial move, the Toronto District School Board (TDSB) has declared that transsexual and ‘gender non-conforming’ students and staff have the right to use whichever washroom they please.

Since the TDSB’s use of the term of ‘gender’ is all about how one feels, this means that any student could enter any student washroom whenever they like – and it would be against the human rights policy to question it. The same goes for staff and their respective washrooms.

While transgender or ‘gender neutral’ bathrooms have popped up across the country – most notably on university campuses – the TDSB isn’t offering an alternative restroom for students.

Instead, customary ‘boys’ and ‘girls’ washrooms will still be in place – and the TDSB has opened those washroom doors to all staff and students at any time.

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http://www.tdsb.on.ca/wwwdocuments/p...20FINAL_1_.pdf

In Between Man

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 6th, 2012

We have one of these in West Vancouver as a public washroom. My roommate had to use it and said it "felt wrong". LOL

Locutus

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 6th, 2012

Why have signs at all?

WLDB

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 6th, 2012

When I was in kindergarten me and a bunch of other kids used both interchangeably before the whole gender thing was explained to us. Sure took them long enough.

I think they just got one of those gender neutral bathrooms at my university. Havent seen it and wouldn't use it. I don't use public washrooms at all though.

In Between Man

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 6th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

When I was in kindergarten me and a bunch of other kids used both interchangeably before the whole gender thing was explained to us. Sure took them long enough.

I think they just got one of those gender neutral bathrooms at my university. Havent seen it and wouldn't use it. I don't use public washrooms at all though.

I'm totally jealous that you get to go to University! I alwayz wanted to but never had the opportunity.

What are you studying?

PoliticalNick

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

I can actually kind of agree with gender neutral washrooms. We don't have a boy's & girl's at home. We all use the crapper in the same way (I hope

) so what is the issue? I am not saying make a multi-stall bathroom unisex but for the individual toilets why not just a sign that says washroom (or WC as it would in England). I also think a lot of the issue people have with this is because we have stigmatized the difference between sexes. We have basically demonized the naked human form and all it's natural bodily functions to what end...so a few prudes can be shy without feeling different? We are all the same really. We all pee & poop (and yes it smells, even yours) and we fart & burp and it is all completely natural so what is the big deal?

JLM

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

How about just a single toilet and sink and a lock on the door, in a large building have two or three of them.

PoliticalNick

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

How about just a single toilet and sink and a lock on the door, in a large building have two or three of them.

That's what I'm talking about

WLDB

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between Man

I'm totally jealous that you get to go to University! I alwayz wanted to but never had the opportunity. What are you studying?

History and political science. I know, not very employable. Im looking into other alternatives at the moment though.

Also, never to late to give it a try. Even if its only part time through correspondence.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

How about just a single toilet and sink and a lock on the door, in a large building have two or three of them.

That'd be too easy.

If public washrooms were like that I'd use them.

PoliticalNick

#10

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

History and political science.

Colpy has some kind of history degree I think, he might be able to tell you how useless....er, I mean useful it is. Pol Science is definitely a 1 way ticket to thinking you know whats best and getting yourself elected in order to assist in the further erosion and destruction of the rights & freedoms of individual citizens. I would avoid the Pol Science thing until after the citizenry decides we have had enough and revolts against the present form of govt.

Have you considered basket weaving as a major?

CDNBear

+1 / -1

#11

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

That'd be too easy.

Plumbing is expensive, changing an existing structure is expensive.

It's only as easy as the funds allow.

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick

Colpy has some kind of history degree I think, he might be able to tell you how useless....er, I mean useful it is.

It seems to have served him well during his working like, and equally so schooling you people that think you know history, here.

Quote:

Pol Science is definitely a 1 way ticket to thinking you know whats best and getting yourself elected in order to assist in the further erosion and destruction of the rights & freedoms of individual citizens.

You're such an idiot.

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I would avoid the Pol Science thing until after the citizenry decides we have had enough and revolts against the present form of govt.

I love it when you get all nutty.

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Have you considered basket weaving as a major?

No one here, bar the wiz, wants to follow in your footsteps.

SLM

#12

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Am I the only who thinks that horny teenage boys all across the GTA are very excited by this policy change?

That aside, who cares really? A bathroom is a bathroom, we are going in there to do one of two things, irrespective of gender. Well hopefully only one of two things anyway.

IdRatherBeSkiing

#13

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Adding a 3rd washroom costs money. They would have less money to waste on curriculum officers, schools for black women in wheelchairs with a lisp, and the such if they had to build a 3rd washroom.

captain morgan

#14

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

Am I the only who thinks that horny teenage boys all across the GTA are very excited by this policy change?

That's probably more in anticipation of expecting there to be a unisex change room to be instituted on the heels of this policy.

Colpy

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Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing

Adding a 3rd washroom costs money. They would have less money to waste on curriculum officers, schools for black women in wheelchairs with a lisp, and the such if they had to build a 3rd washroom.

Exactly.

And in about 45 seconds of research, the most liberal estimate of the number of transgender individuals I could find was 1 in 20,000.

The TDSB has long ago proven that it is run by the psychologically disadvantaged............

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

History and political science. I know, not very employable. Im looking into other alternatives at the moment though.

.

Yeah.

Me too, with a B. Ed thrown in as a bonus.

I'm sure you could have a bright future as underpaid security.

Do you like guns??

Well, at least I don't have a career in the increasingly insane education system......

WLDB

#16

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

Am I the only who thinks that horny teenage boys all across the GTA are very excited by this policy change?

Maybe if they have some sort of toilet fetish. Seeing the opposite sex (or the same for that matter) in the bathroom isnt particularly appealing.

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick

Colpy has some kind of history degree I think, he might be able to tell you how useless....er, I mean useful it is. Pol Science is definitely a 1 way ticket to thinking you know whats best and getting yourself elected in order to assist in the further erosion and destruction of the rights & freedoms of individual citizens. I would avoid the Pol Science thing until after the citizenry decides we have had enough and revolts against the present form of govt.

While history may not be employable outside of the education system it is pretty useful stuff to know.

I avoided poli-sci for awhile but not for the reasons you put forward. I avoided it because I thought that if I was forced to learn about it I may lose interest in politics. Fortunately that hasn't happened yet. It is also a useful field to understand even if its not particularly employable. Its nice to know how the system works and how it came to be that way. I cant really think of any rights we've lost recently (if ever). The trend seems to be the opposite. As time goes by democratic governments are giving people more rights, not less. Though there are a few exceptions. We are much more free now than we were 50-100 years ago.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Exactly.

Do you like guns??

Guns - I like to look at them. I've never fired one though.

I thought about teaching but then I discovered I don't like kids. I imagine I'd like the parents and bosses even less.

Liberalman

#17

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

With the trans-gender showers one can tell if they are.

taxslave

#18

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

History and political science. I know, not very employable. Im looking into other alternatives at the moment though.

Also, never to late to give it a try. Even if its only part time through correspondence.

That'd be too easy.

If public washrooms were like that I'd use them.

Polisci can get you a job as a political hack. And perhaps with training a job at a self serve gas bar. History, along with a teaching certificate might put you on the the road to riches and a solid gold pension.

karrie

#19

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

The number of students who are transgendered is so small as to be a non-issue if this is put through anyhow.

And if a woman walked into a men's room, or vice versa, let's be honest, it should be a non-issue too. I mean seriously, women aren't copping a squat with the stall door open and their junk on display, and I'm sure men aren't doing it either.

Liberalman

#20

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

The number of students who are transgendered is so small as to be a non-issue if this is put through anyhow.

And if a woman walked into a men's room, or vice versa, let's be honest, it should be a non-issue too. I mean seriously, women aren't copping a squat with the stall door open and their junk on display, and I'm sure men aren't doing it either.

For a man it would be harder to urinate if a woman walked in.

Ron in Regina

#21

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie

The number of students who are transgendered is so small as to be a non-issue if this is put through anyhow.

And if a woman walked into a men's room, or vice versa, let's be honest, it should be a non-issue too. I mean seriously, women aren't copping a squat with the stall door open and their junk on display, and I'm sure men aren't doing it either.

Copping a squat? No. But I'm assuming these Trans-gender washrooms
don't have urinals then, as those (as far as I've ever seen, & I've never
been in a 'Trans-gender' washroom labeled as such to the best of my
knowledge) aren't tucked into stalls.

A nastier example of the urinal would be the old school piss troughs in
our dilapidated football stadium that's in the centre of the room with 25
drunks circling it and letting loose during 1/2 time and between beer
purchases. That would be one that I'm assuming most woman (and
many men) would avoid if possible. The 'water' (I hope it's mostly
water) is usually about an inch deep on the floor by the end of 1/2 time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

For a man it would be harder to urinate if a woman walked in.

Speak for yourself. I've had a woman write her own name in the snow
in my presence, and she didn't do it using her own factory equipment.

karrie

#22

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

For a man it would be harder to urinate if a woman walked in.

For a woman it would be harder too. Make all the policies you want, most north americans aren't going to use the washrooms in a unisex fashion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

Speak for yourself. I've had a woman write her own name in the snow
in my presence, and she didn't do it using her own factory equipment.

Bahahahaha!!!

PoliticalNick

#23

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 7th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

Maybe if they have some sort of toilet fetish. Seeing the opposite sex (or the same for that matter) in the bathroom isnt particularly appealing.

You should spend less time on Can Con and more time in the seedier parts of the web. Apparently, by the number of sites out there, it is quite appealing to a lot of people.

Quote:

I cant really think of any rights we've lost recently (if ever). The trend seems to be the opposite. As time goes by democratic governments are giving people more rights, not less. Though there are a few exceptions. We are much more free now than we were 50-100 years ago.

A sure sign you education was wasted or you were taught by some government hack. Every time another piece of legislation passes we lose some freedom and rights. I have never seen or heard a law that says you 'can' do this. We only have laws to tell us what we are not free to do so each one erodes freedom. May I bring to your attention such items as the 'Patriot Act', the 'Anti-terrorism Act', Bill C-35 etc. All these stripped away our freedoms and gave the govt advanced powers to monitor and watch the citizens. Powers such as rendition which deny all rights are now used commonplace.

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I thought about teaching but then I discovered I don't like kids. I imagine I'd like the parents and bosses even less.

It's gonna be like that forever...LOL

Bar Sinister

#24

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 8th, 2012

No big deal. Washrooms accessible to both sexes have been operating in Alberta schools for several years. Each washroom is divided into multiple private cubicles so it really doesn't amtter who uses the facility. Essentially it is a cost saving measure. It is simply cheaper to build one washroom serving both sexes than one for males and one for females.

TenPenny

#25

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 8th, 2012

It means you can't go in to adjust your clothing in front of the mirror, but there's nothing wrong with that I suppose.

Ron in Regina

#26

Re: Toronto school board opens all kids' washroom doors

Oct 8th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

It means you can't go in to adjust your clothing in front of the mirror, but there's nothing wrong with that I suppose.

Why not? In a mixed trans-gender/multi-gender situation, with cost savings
a one of the motivators tossed out often above with respect to the one
washroom for all....some give and take will have to be expected in
what anyone there will be exposed to, as opposed to rearranging
your junk out in the hallway. It's the compromise that's the
lesser of the two evils, isn't it?

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