Toews- prison Chaplains for Christians only-


Goober
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Toews- prison Chaplains for Christians only- Rest best convert

Dear Stevie- WTF

Non-Christian prison chaplains chopped by Ottawa - British Columbia - CBC News

The federal government is cancelling the contracts of all non-Christian chaplains at federal prisons, CBC News has learned.

Inmates of other faiths, such as Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jews, will be expected to turn to Christian prison chaplains for religious counsel and guidance, according to the office of Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, who is also responsible for Canada’s penitentiaries.

Toews made headlines in September when he ordered the cancellation of a tender issued for a Wiccan priest for federal prisons in B.C.

Toews said he wasn't convinced part-time chaplains from other religions were an appropriate use of taxpayer money and that he would review the policy.

In an email to CBC News, Toews' office says that as a result of the review, the part-time non-Christian chaplains will be let go and the remaining full-time Christian chaplains in prisons will now provide interfaith services and counselling to all inmates.

"The minister strongly supports the freedom of religion for all Canadians, including prisoners,” the email states. “However, the government … is not in the business of picking and choosing which religions will be given preferential status through government funding. The minister has concluded … [Christian] chaplains employed by Corrections Canada must provide services to inmates of all faiths."
88% of inmates Christian

There are nearly 15,000 inmates in federal custody and a large majority of them identify themselves as Christian:

58% are Catholic.
30% are Protestant.
7% are Muslim.
3% are Buddhist.
1% are Jewish.
1% are Sikh.

Figures obtained by CBC News show that before the contract cancellations — which will take effect by the end of March 2013 — there were about 80 full-time chaplains across the country and all but one are Christian. There are about 100 part-time chaplains, 20 of them non-Christian.

The total cost of the chaplain program is about $6.4 million a year and it's not clear what amount will be saved by the cancellations.
Chaplains concerned

The decision has raised concern among representatives of non-Christian faiths, such as B.C. Sikh chaplain Hark rat Singh.

“I believe this is discrimination,” Singh said. "How can a Christian chaplain provide spirituality to the Sikh faith, because they don't have that expertise."
 
In Between Man
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This is reasonable. With the hundreds of religions we have today, it's not practical to cater to all of them.
 
WLDB
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You either have someone for each group in prison or none of them. Doing it this way gives a right to some prisoners and takes it away from others.
 
SLM
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Don't they normally have inter-faith ministers in most institutions? Since when did they have seperate clergy?
 
gopher
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All they need is one good Wiccan priestess and all will be settled:


 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

All they need is one good Wiccan priestess and all will be settled:


What witchcraft is this!

lol
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

You either have someone for each group in prison or none of them. Doing it this way gives a right to some prisoners and takes it away from others.

I realize that someone with your worldview would say that generally speaking, all religions are the same, so therefore if we're going to cater to one it's only right to cater to them all. But I don't think it would be reasonable for the taxpayer to cater to one prisoner if he's the sole follower of a religion (or a very small minority like wiccan) within the prison system. At least with Christian chaplains there's the opportunity to hear two important messages that prisoners desperately need (and usually want) to hear - God's forgiveness and hope for the future.

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Don't they normally have inter-faith ministers in most institutions? Since when did they have seperate clergy?

I think most Christian chaplains / pastors would have reservations about "inter-faith" activity, especially worship.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

I think most Christian chaplains / pastors would have reservations about "inter-faith" activity, especially worship.

I've met quite a few interfaith chaplains, they have no reservations that I've ever been made aware of.
 
Just the Facts
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

You either have someone for each group in prison or none of them. Doing it this way gives a right to some prisoners and takes it away from others.

I'm not sure sure there's no right for clergy from any religion to come in and service inmates - they're just not on the payroll. Since the majority of inmates are Christians, the chaplins are Christian. Sounds like a pretty simple needs assessment to me.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

What witchcraft is this!

lol



Wiccans are the most unprejudiced people anywhere - Christians adopted all but one of their holidays: Beltane which is the Wiccan day of peace. Ironically, Christians claim to worship the Prince of Peace and this day reflects his teachings more than any other holiday.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Wiccans are the most unprejudiced people anywhere - Christians adopted all but one of their holidays: Beltane which is the Wiccan day of peace. Ironically, Christians claim to worship the Prince of Peace and this day reflects his teachings more than any other holiday.

Yes, I was joking.

I do that.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Yes, I was joking.

I do that.







Just for you !
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post





Just for you !

Awwww!
 
Dexter Sinister
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“However, the government … is not in the business of picking and choosing which religions will be given preferential status through government funding." Except that it just did, clearly Christians get preferential status. Mr. Toews needs to learn to think clearly.
 
PoliticalNick
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Get rid of all of them, especially the Christians. Honestly, there are only 2 reasons someone finds Jesus in prison....they are up for parole or the prison is in Tijuana...
 
TenPenny
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Far more reasonable to stop Christian chaplains as well.

Churches are already tax exempt, why do we have to pay tax money for their people to work in prisons?

Waste of money.
 
Locutus
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Big hairy deal.

The few percentage that aren't Christian should maybe be looked after by their various faiths, temples and/or volunteers.

Besides, this guy did a pretty good job:


 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Big hairy deal.

The few percentage that aren't Christian should maybe be looked after by their various faiths, temples and/or volunteers.

Besides, this guy did a pretty good job:

And so should the percentage that ARE Christians.

What's funny is that the same people who want to lock up everyone who farts in public, and electrocute anyone who commits a serious crime (because it costs money to house murderers in prison) are the same ones who want to spend money paying for some git with a wimpy book to massage the prisoners' feelings so that they can run to the comfort of pretending they care.
 
taxslave
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So when the government puts out a tender for preachers do they give the contract to the lowest bidder? Or the one that has a direct line to the most gods?
 
#juan
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quote:There are nearly 15,000 inmates in federal custody and a large majority of them identify themselves as Christian:

58% are Catholic.
30% are Protestant.
7% are Muslim.
3% are Buddhist.
1% are Jewish.
1% are Sikh.

I would have thought Catholic and protestant chaplains would be interchangeable.
 
Locutus
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There ya have it. That leaves about 1800 folks (that won't be inside long anyway). They can be ministered/imammed by volunteers from their respective mosques, temples, shacks, clubhouses and such. No biggie but they don't need to be on the public teat.
 
karrie
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I don't think we should be paying for any of them.
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I don't think we should be paying for any of them.

Im leaning towards that now as well. Let the Christian ones volunteer their time to come and see the inmates. It is more of a Christian thing to do than to be paid to do it.

Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

But I don't think it would be reasonable for the taxpayer to cater to one prisoner if he's the sole follower of a religion (or a very small minority like wiccan) within the prison system.

Do non-Christians not pay taxes?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Don't they normally have inter-faith ministers in most institutions? Since when did they have seperate clergy?

Where I have seen chaplins, he/she is inter-denominational and while may be christian, can and will do what is required for other religions.
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

There are nearly 15,000 inmates in federal custody and a large majority of them identify themselves as Christian:

58% are Catholic.
30% are Protestant.
7% are Muslim.
3% are Buddhist.
1% are Jewish.
1% are Sikh.

Really? The federal prison population is 0% atheist? That's suspiciously impressive.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

quote:There are nearly 15,000 inmates in federal custody and a large majority of them identify themselves as Christian:

58% are Catholic.
30% are Protestant.
7% are Muslim.
3% are Buddhist.
1% are Jewish.
1% are Sikh.

I would have thought Catholic and protestant chaplains would be interchangeable.

In the Military we have Padres- Chaplains- They can be RC- Anglican- Baptist - UCC- I never heard of any soldier having an issue with that.

When speaking of Interfaith- Would a Christian feel comfortable talking to an Imam- or vice versa- this is just another reason to give Toews an FFn paper route and send him on his way.

So Stevie what are you gonna do now.
 
darkbeaver
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The solution of course is televised services and phone in confessions and consultations. We will only need twenty millions or so for the wide screens.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

Where I have seen chaplins, he/she is inter-denominational and while may be christian, can and will do what is required for other religions.

Exactly, it's about ministering and counselling in matters concerning spirituality, that's where the focus is, not the church. I've generally found them to be very open, welcoming and easy to talk to, irrespective of their 'home church'. Probably because they're accustomed to stepping outside of the normal confines of church doctrine.

Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Really? The federal prison population is 0% atheist? That's suspiciously impressive.

Doesn't everyone find religion in prison?
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by In Between ManView Post

This is reasonable. With the hundreds of religions we have today, it's not practical to cater to all of them.

That wasn't the case at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by CBC NewsView Post


Figures obtained by CBC News show that before the contract cancellations — which will take effect by the end of March 2013 — there were about 80 full-time chaplains across the country and all but one are Christian. There are about 100 part-time chaplains, 20 of them non-Christian.

 
wizard
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... the federal government will continue to issue these inflammatory statements on a daily basis until they're run out of office ...
 
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