Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
It's not religion that needs the trashing... it's the mentality you speak of. Because I've seen it at work in people who call themselves atheists. I've seen it at work in people who feel that any politics but their own are a threat. I've seen it at work in people who find that their race is the 'right' one. I've seen it at work in people who think their place of birth grants them superiority. Throw religion out the window, and power hungry people will still find reasons to declare themselves 'right', 'better'. Whereas, deciding you've gotten it 'right' on the religious front, and everyone else ought to be changed, ought to be taught otherwise, puts you awfully close to being what you're complaining about.
True, but the main point of this thread was in relation to Colpy's thread "Fed up with Islam yet???"
where he has gone out of his way to find every single shred of bad news and bad examples of Muslims doing something evil or wrong.... branding the entire religion as evil and a scourge based on either isolated incidences or situations that were created by extremists.
This is more or less to show that one can easily brand an entire religion.... all religions, by the actions of a select few bad apples in that religion.
What's even worse is how some who defend and think their religion (or the religion they're more used to) is better than another, will continually poke a stick at the other religion they don't like until they get all PO'd and then go "Hey, see, they're evil & violent."
I never once defended the actions of Muslims who go nuts over anything making fun of their Prophet, but those who continually do it know full well how they're going to react, and then while they're defending what they did and trying to act all cool and tough about it, they're also going into hiding, try to cover up their identity and fearing for their lives, playing the victim.
Quite similar to being an internet troll, but worse.... internet trolls know exactly what they're doing, they know they're going out to provoke and anger/upset someone and they get enjoyment out of it... but on the internet, there's admins and moderators in most places to punish them.
Some will defend their actions as freedom of speech and that they're in every right to say whatever they damn well please, regardless of the consequences, but on the internet, that's not the case.
In the real world, it is the case.... people can troll other people all they want, and they're defended by freedom of speech.... and the admins/mods (government) let's it keep happening and in fact, they'll protect the trolls, even if their actions results in other innocent people being injured or killed because of their actions.
Take that idiot who made that lame movie that was posted on YouTube that caused all this crap in the last couple of weeks..... he admitted that he knew full well what would happen and did it anyways.... but he didn't suffer the consequences of his actions, other people did.
I'm all for freedom of expression and speech, but if you want to stand up for what you believe in, do it... don't just toss your crap out there to piss people off and then go into hiding / protection while everybody else around you suffers "Your" consequences.
Again, I'm not defending any of the *** clowns who got upset over a cartoon or video mocking their beliefs.... and there's no excuse for their actions anymore than there's no excuse for the actions of the people who antagonizing them..... but we all know how the extremists will react, it's nothing new and they're not going to change.
If you want to stand up to your beliefs and your rights by taking such actions and risking being a martyr, fine do it.... say your peace, express your opinions and stand by them, but don't act like your some hero by trolling others you don't agree with and then tuck your tail between your legs and let others who have no association with you suffer from your actions.
Getting back to the OP some more, The above, among many other examples, just clearly shows that it isn't just Muslims who act like idiots.... and Christians, Jewish and many other religious groups & their sects all have their fair share of acting like idiots, antagonizing the other, causing violence and hatred.... all the while acting like their sh*t don't stink.
When it comes to politics, the last time I remember seeing anything similar in politics like what many see between the religions was back during the Cold War era between "Capitalists" and "Commies" pretty much ready to nuke the entire planet because they each finger pointed at the other as being worse than they are.
So if one wants to, feel free in creating another thread with the title "Fed up with Governments yet???"