Italy Debt Downgraded- As we all predicted.

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Italy Debt Downgraded- As predicted. France will be next- Then the UK possibly.

BBC News - Moody's cuts Italy's debt rating

Moody's has cut Italy's credit rating, warning that the country was likely to see a sharp rise in borrowing costs.

The rating was cut two notches from A3 to Baa2, two levels above junk status.

The move raised concerns of a contagion risk from Spain and Greece, pushed Italian bank shares down and kept the euro near two-year lows against the dollar.

Moody's said that Italy's near-term economic outlook had "deteriorated" and access to credit markets could toughen.

On Thursday, Italy had raised 7.5bn euros (£6bn) in one-year bonds at a much lower rate than previously, suggesting improved investor confidence.

On Friday, after Moody's downgrade, Italy raised 3.5bn euros in an auction of medium-term government bonds, with the rate falling to 4.65% from 5.3% last month.

Weaker growth
Moody's said in its statement that Italy was now "more likely to experience a further sharp increase in its funding costs or the loss of market access" for borrowing to service its budget.

The ratings agency added: "The risk of a Greek exit from the euro has risen, the Spanish banking system will experience greater credit losses than anticipated, and Spain's own funding challenges are greater than previously recognised.

"Italy's near-term economic outlook has deteriorated, as manifest in both weaker growth and higher unemployment, which creates risk of failure to meet fiscal consolidation targets.

"Failure to meet fiscal targets in turn could weaken market confidence further, raising the risk of a sudden stop in market funding," Moody's said.

Shares of Unicredit, the country's largest bank by assets, fell 1.7% following the announcement. Intesa Sanpaolo, Italy's biggest retail lender also dropped 1.6%. The euro fell to $1.2192 in early trade, close to levels not seen since June 2010.

Limited help
Last month, European Union leaders reached an agreement to enable two rescue funds, the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) and the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), to help debt-laden economies.

But Moody's said "there is a limit to the extent to which these support mechanisms can be used to backstop such a large, systemically important sovereign" debtor such as Italy.

Italy is the eurozone's third biggest economy after Germany and France. While its banks are less exposed to bad property loans like in Spain, the country has deep-seated structural problems including low productivity, an inefficient public sector and a sharp north-south divide.

The economy has recorded anaemic growth for years, despite having adopted the euro in 1999.

In April, the government cut its growth forecast for 2012, and now predicts a 1.2% contraction in the economy compared with the previous forecast of a 0.4% contraction. The IMF expects the Italian economy to contract by 1.9% this year.
 

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The oxymoron is that the socialists among us say that Canada will be in the same situation if we continue with a center/right government, how many Euro zone states were center/right all these years? Damn few and virtually none of those who are in trouble economically, but lately they are moving to the right regarding at least, economics, too late :lol:
Oops, excuse me for laughing;-)
 

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The oxymoron is that the socialists among us say that Canada will be in the same situation if we continue with a center/right government, how many Euro zone states were center/right all these years? Damn few and virtually none of those who are in trouble economically, but lately they are moving to the right regarding at least, economics, too late :lol:
Oops, excuse me for laughing;-)

And next is France.
Hollande promises to fight layoffs - Europe - Al Jazeera English


Francois Hollande, the French president, has pledged on the country's national day to fight industrial layoffs and clean up French politics.

The French leader attended the Bastille Day celebrations on Saturday watching troops parade down the Champs Elysees in Paris as jets streamed the national colours overhead.

The Socialist leader's first national day since winning office in May was overshadowed by outcry at mass job cuts
announced by carmaker Peugeot and a scandal over his private life threatening to undermine his image as "Mr Normal".

Reviving the tradition of a July 14 television interview which was scrapped by his predecessor Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande said France had to make an "effort" to restore its public finances but ruled out the kind of painful austerity measures driving protests in Spain and Italy.

"My mission is to help France recover and give it a future," Hollande said in the interview. "Jobs are my priority."

Hollande, who pledged during his campaign to lower the highest unemployment level in 12 years, faces a major challenge after Peugeot said on Thursday it would axe 8,000 jobs in France.

Accusing the company's management of strategic errors and misleading the public over its intentions, Hollande said he could not accept the restructuring plan as it stood, and promised public incentives to help French-made cars.

Hollande also promised to reinvigorate French industry and reduce the national debt - but he steered clear of specifics.
 

skookumchuck

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Gee, one would think that our resident lefties would be all over this topic to prove the (free) world's assessment of their failed economics wrong.
 

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And next is France.
Hollande promises to fight layoffs - Europe - Al Jazeera English


Francois Hollande, the French president, has pledged on the country's national day to fight industrial layoffs and clean up French politics.

The French leader attended the Bastille Day celebrations on Saturday watching troops parade down the Champs Elysees in Paris as jets streamed the national colours overhead.

The Socialist leader's first national day since winning office in May was overshadowed by outcry at mass job cuts
announced by carmaker Peugeot and a scandal over his private life threatening to undermine his image as "Mr Normal".

Reviving the tradition of a July 14 television interview which was scrapped by his predecessor Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande said France had to make an "effort" to restore its public finances but ruled out the kind of painful austerity measures driving protests in Spain and Italy.

"My mission is to help France recover and give it a future," Hollande said in the interview. "Jobs are my priority."

Hollande, who pledged during his campaign to lower the highest unemployment level in 12 years, faces a major challenge after Peugeot said on Thursday it would axe 8,000 jobs in France.

Accusing the company's management of strategic errors and misleading the public over its intentions, Hollande said he could not accept the restructuring plan as it stood, and promised public incentives to help French-made cars.

Hollande also promised to reinvigorate French industry and reduce the national debt - but he steered clear of specifics.

If Hollande pulls that one off he will be the first person in history to suck and blow at the same time.
 

damngrumpy

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Europe is suffering from decades of poor management left and righ wing alike.
Greece was in trouble before the left made it worse. In fact Greece was in
trouble since WWII and likely before. Failed social democratic policy yes but
keep in mind,, the right wing didn't collect taxes on millions of people when
they were in power. Greece's problem comes from the fact that only about
twenty percent of people pay their taxes that are due.
Italy is in trouble because the most right wing person Berlusconi, since the
Fascist days ran the nation into the ground, sort of like what Harper is doing.
Yes Harper, this government has now overspent worse than the Liberals.
France was under a right wing government until the last election when they
swerved to the left.
China is slowing down, India is slowing down , America is slowing down.
World wide recession or worse is coming, but then it has been coming since
the crash in 208. If we are not careful it could turn out to be worse than
the great depression before its over.
 

Niflmir

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The oxymoron is that the socialists among us say that Canada will be in the same situation if we continue with a center/right government, how many Euro zone states were center/right all these years? Damn few and virtually none of those who are in trouble economically, but lately they are moving to the right regarding at least, economics, too late :lol:
Oops, excuse me for laughing;-)

How ignorant of current events are you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_of_Freedom

Italy has been led by a centre-right government for all but 5 years since 1994.

Good thing you can laugh at your fictitious reality.