Mulcair want Canada to pony up 10's of Billion to rescue the Euro

[Goober]

And this guy wants to lead the country. Really.

Spain received 100 Billion Euro- 125 Billion Cdn for their banks- And more to come-

So how many Billions would it take for Mulcair to consider we have helped- 50- 80- 100 Billion- We have good credit as a country.

Come on Thomas - Tell us how much beef do we throw at an fffn sink hole before we have done our part.

The EU is a freaking financial disaster-
Greece
Portugal
Ireland
Spain

Italy is next on the list for a bailout -

France will be the next on the bloc- the new President is lowering the age of retirement back to 60. They cannot afford it - but a good Socialist will pass the law.

Spain was led off the cliff by Socialists as well.
Italy - mix of both and a ton of corruption.
France- Changing laws to keep unproductive employees employed- The Debt to GDP is rising

So the Bond market will have Italy then France on the list.

The EU has the funds to prevent these runs but no Political will - Imagine having 27 Govts having to agree on certain bailouts- Looks like a Clusterfuk to me Sir

The EU does not have the political will or the legal framework to attack this problem in the way the US did.
They plan to have fiscal integration over the next 10 years- Read that as much longer.
They have 6 months to a year.

A recession in the EU will impact Central and Eastern Canada the hardest.

Impact on the West - small change.

Thomas Mulcair takes heat over push to aid European countries in financial crisis | News | National Post

NDP leader Thomas Mulcair was the target of Conservative criticism in Question Period on Monday over his apparent support of Canada coughing up money to help European nations on the brink of financial collapse.

The exchange between the parties began last Wednesday when Mr. Mulcair criticized Prime Minister Stephen Harper for his government’s reprimand of European nations and his unwillingness to work with other G20 countries to come up with a plan to weather Europe’s worsening financial crisis.

“Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister pretends to be concerned now, but two months ago in Washington the Conservatives were singing a different tune.

“At the G20 meeting in April, the Minister of Finance led the effort to block an international plan to resolve the European economic crisis. He told European countries “to step up to the plate” and fix the problem on their own, as if our fate were not intimately connected to theirs, and he gets applause for that from the peanut gallery.

“When will the Conservatives stop lecturing European countries and put forward a real plan to protect and create jobs here in Canada?”

 

[MapleDog]

Didn't we do enough for europe the last 100 years,what do they think we are an ATM?

 

[Goober]

Didn't we do enough for europe the last 100 years,what do they think we are an ATM?

For the Greece bailout they had to have 26 or 27 individual Govt. sign on- If one did not - it was done for. Time for better fiscal integration along with penalties for exceeding the deficit levels- They all knew Greece - Italy - Spain were headed down the deficit road - and what did they do - nothing - They ignored it for political purposes. Time to put Bankers - Politicians - a minority I might add on a committee and send one proposal for all Govt's to agree to- Sign on or leave the Euro

 

[taxslave]

Didn't we do enough for europe the last 100 years,what do they think we are an ATM?

An ATM requires that one has money on deposit to draw from.

 

[Omicron]

The EU is a freaking financial disaster-
Greece
Portugal
Ireland
Spain

Actually, if you talk to Greeks on the street, what they are protesting and refusing to do is pay bailouts with their taxes to the money-tricksters that caused 2008.

What the Greek peasents are not clear about is how on the hyper-economic level there are those old-timer educated old-fart establimentarians understanding the vapourousness of money since they started printing it from gold not-on-reserve back in the 1700's and how therefore it requires responsible management in order to prevent collapse, versus what happens when you get brats coming in with Reagan California LA high-school freedom going we-hee look at what we can do with number-money and no regulation!

 

[captain morgan]

And this guy wants to lead the country. Really.

Tommie the Commie (props to Petros on that) is playing politics. Sadly for him, he's jumped out of the blocks before the gun has sounded.

The dippers will be a shadow of what they are today after the next election

“When will the Conservatives stop lecturing European countries and put forward a real plan to protect and create jobs here in Canada?”

When the Europeans put together an actual plan that doesn't rely on other people's money

Actually, if you talk to Greeks on the street, what they are protesting and refusing to do is pay bailouts with their taxes to the money-tricksters that caused 2008.

Paying whose bailouts?

 

[mentalfloss]

On Power and Politics, NDP confirmed there is no intention to bail out anyone, so this "10's of Billions of dollars" line is a gross misrepresentation, and frankly, a pretty stupid pre-emptive attack that was debunked in less than a day.

In fact, the Liberals even took the NDP side to confirm that both parties' criticisms were such that our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have, not to bail them out.

Regarding Mulcair specifically:

Mulcair did not meet with reporters Thursday, but in response to claims he wants Canadian taxpayers to pony up money for Europe, he told the House: "That is the type of pure fabulation one resorts to when one does not have any arguments."

Tories slam European extravagance - Business - CBC News

 

[captain morgan]

In fact, the Liberals even took the NDP side to confirm that both parties' criticisms were such that our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have, not to bail them out.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/06/08/harper-europe-socialism.html

"... our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have"

Mulcair can't even run his own household without needing a dozen or so 2nd mortgages. I think it's safe to say that he is last last person to contribute any input towards a European solution

 

[mentalfloss]

"... our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have"

Mulcair can't even run his own household without needing a dozen or so 2nd mortgages. I think it's safe to say that he is last last person to contribute any input towards a European solution

And so here it is folks.

This is where the losing argument finally reaches its point of desperation.

"YA WELL RUB N TUGS AN MORTGAGE WOES!!11"

This is great stuff cap. Keep up the good work! :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

I forgot about the rub 'n tugs.

Does Mulcair have designs on incorporating that into health services?

 

[Machjo]

And this guy wants to lead the country. Really.

Spain received 100 Billion Euro- 125 Billion Cdn for their banks- And more to come-

So how many Billions would it take for Mulcair to consider we have helped- 50- 80- 100 Billion- We have good credit as a country.

Come on Thomas - Tell us how much beef do we throw at an fffn sink hole before we have done our part.

The EU is a freaking financial disaster-
Greece
Portugal
Ireland
Spain

Italy is next on the list for a bailout -

France will be the next on the bloc- the new President is lowering the age of retirement back to 60. They cannot afford it - but a good Socialist will pass the law.

Spain was led off the cliff by Socialists as well.
Italy - mix of both and a ton of corruption.
France- Changing laws to keep unproductive employees employed- The Debt to GDP is rising

So the Bond market will have Italy then France on the list.

The EU has the funds to prevent these runs but no Political will - Imagine having 27 Govts having to agree on certain bailouts- Looks like a Clusterfuk to me Sir

The EU does not have the political will or the legal framework to attack this problem in the way the US did.
They plan to have fiscal integration over the next 10 years- Read that as much longer.
They have 6 months to a year.

A recession in the EU will impact Central and Eastern Canada the hardest.

Impact on the West - small change.

Thomas Mulcair takes heat over push to aid European countries in financial crisis | News | National Post

NDP leader Thomas Mulcair was the target of Conservative criticism in Question Period on Monday over his apparent support of Canada coughing up money to help European nations on the brink of financial collapse.

The exchange between the parties began last Wednesday when Mr. Mulcair criticized Prime Minister Stephen Harper for his government’s reprimand of European nations and his unwillingness to work with other G20 countries to come up with a plan to weather Europe’s worsening financial crisis.

“Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister pretends to be concerned now, but two months ago in Washington the Conservatives were singing a different tune.

“At the G20 meeting in April, the Minister of Finance led the effort to block an international plan to resolve the European economic crisis. He told European countries “to step up to the plate” and fix the problem on their own, as if our fate were not intimately connected to theirs, and he gets applause for that from the peanut gallery.

“When will the Conservatives stop lecturing European countries and put forward a real plan to protect and create jobs here in Canada?”

Europe is hardly destitute so I don't see why we should be helping such a wealthy continent.

Oh wait, isn't the NDP supposed to be a socialist party? You'd think they'd be proposing bailing out the poorest countries like Afghanistan, not wealthy ones like Europe, if anything.

If Europe wants our help, here's how we can help it:

1. Promote free trade with Europe.

2. Promote a free labour-movement agreement with Europe.

3. Encourage ministries of education in Canada and Europe to establish common standards for various trades and professions.

Then let them trade with us.

 

[Goober]

On Power and Politics, NDP confirmed there is no intention to bail out anyone, so this "10's of Billions of dollars" line is a gross misrepresentation, and frankly, a pretty stupid pre-emptive attack that was debunked in less than a day.

In fact, the Liberals even took the NDP side to confirm that both parties' criticisms were such that our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have, not to bail them out.

Regarding Mulcair specifically:

Tories slam European extravagance - Business - CBC News

“At the G20 meeting in April, the Minister of Finance led the effort to block an international plan to resolve the European economic crisis. He told European countries “to step up to the plate” and fix the problem on their own, as if our fate were not intimately connected to theirs, and he gets applause for that from the peanut gallery.

Please tell me what this means aside from Harper refusing to backstop along with others the EU mess and Mulcair slamming him- stating what we all know a recession in the EU affects everyone - from China to the US- Spain 125 Billion Cdn - just for the banks- more to come- Italy- France- next
The NDP can spin it 9 ways to Sunday- Mulcair was clear - He (Mulcair)wanted the IMF & G20 to step up and bailout the EU-

 

[Machjo]

On Power and Politics, NDP confirmed there is no intention to bail out anyone, so this "10's of Billions of dollars" line is a gross misrepresentation, and frankly, a pretty stupid pre-emptive attack that was debunked in less than a day.

In fact, the Liberals even took the NDP side to confirm that both parties' criticisms were such that our involvement should be to determine what kind of plan the Europeans have, not to bail them out.

Regarding Mulcair specifically:

Tories slam European extravagance - Business - CBC News

Thanks for clarifying.

And so here it is folks.

This is where the losing argument finally reaches its point of desperation.

"YA WELL RUB N TUGS AN MORTGAGE WOES!!11"

This is great stuff cap. Keep up the good work! :lol:

Mulcair's visited rub-n-tugs? really?

 

[mentalfloss]

Mulcair's visited rub-n-tugs? really?

Layton was alleged to have gone to a rub-n-tug in Toronto. This is the kind of ammunition cap'n brings to the table when discussing the situation in Europe.

“At the G20 meeting in April, the Minister of Finance led the effort to block an international plan to resolve the European economic crisis. He told European countries “to step up to the plate” and fix the problem on their own, as if our fate were not intimately connected to theirs, and he gets applause for that from the peanut gallery.

Please tell me what this means aside from Harper refusing to backstop along with others the EU mess and Mulcair slamming him- stating what we all know a recession in the EU affects everyone - from China to the US- Spain 125 Billion Cdn - just for the banks- more to come- Italy- France- next
The NDP can spin it 9 ways to Sunday- Mulcair was clear - He (Mulcair)wanted the IMF & G20 to step up and bailout the EU-

What spin?

He never said we spend any taxpayer dollars to bailout Europe.

 

[Colpy]

And so here it is folks.

This is where the losing argument finally reaches its point of desperation.

"YA WELL RUB N TUGS AN MORTGAGE WOES!!11"

This is great stuff cap. Keep up the good work! :lol:

Usually, things such as the practices of old Saint Jack of the Happy Ending and the financial situation of a party leader are not particularly the public's business.

However, when Saint Jack (appropriate, huh???) has made numerous comments on the unfortunate situation of Asian immigrants forced into the sex trade.....well, can you say hypocrite?? With a capital "H".

And let's face it......

Mulcair does NOT have a healthy attitude towards debt.

That IS significant.

 

[mentalfloss]

And let's face it......

I think you need to face the fact that you don't have an argument here. The moment the NDP decide to propose a bailout package for Europe, I will be right there with you asking for justification.

 

[Machjo]

Layton was alleged to have gone to a rub-n-tug in Toronto. This is the kind of ammunition cap'n brings to the table when discussing the situation in Europe.

I know. Is Layton still in Parliament?

 

[mentalfloss]

I know. Is Layton still in Parliament?

Of course not.

 

[Machjo]

Usually, things such as the practices of old Saint Jack of the Happy Ending and the financial situation of a party leader are not particularly the public's business.

However, when Saint Jack (appropriate, huh???) has made numerous comments on the unfortunate situation of Asian immigrants forced into the sex trade.....well, can you say hypocrite?? With a capital "H".

And let's face it......

Mulcair does NOT have a healthy attitude towards debt.

That IS significant.

Actually, that one is uncelar. From what I understand, he did go to a rub-n-tug but according to him he did not know it was and he just got a normal massage.

From a legal standpoint, presumption of innocence.

From a political standpoint, even if he was telling the truth, he was cought to pants down which already is bad judgement regardless of the kind of massage, plus if he was telling the truth, it reveals a certain ignorance and naivete from a law-maker on a grand scale.

Fair enough, I might not always tell the difference either, but then again I wouldn't go in under the slightest suspicion and would still be able to tell the possibility of illicit activity at least.

But regardless, that reflects on the person, not the party. Only an ideiot would confuse a personal moral weakness with official party policy.

Of course not.

So why do we keep bringing him up? let's give him a rest already.

As for Mulcair's debt, that does reflect badly on him, but again, should not reflect on any other MP.

 

[mentalfloss]

So why do we keep bringing him up? let's give him a rest already.

Cap'n has invoked the rub and switch more than once so I was just highlighting the debate tactic.

Regarding the Euro situation, we need to flex some political muscle and get the EU states to actually co-operate with each other to resolve this dilemma. Not wipe our hands clean by saying: "Not my problem".

It will be our problem if the Euro goes down.