What should a civilized society accept/not accept for legal- lawful- demonstrations?

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What should a civilized society accept/not accept for legal- lawful demonstrations? And for illegal demonstrations what is reasonable force - by law - to enforce the law

When is the rule of Law to be ignored - and when does it have to be enforced?

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Quebec’s largest student group has vowed to defy the Quebec government’s new emergency law, calling for a summer of protests and acts of civil disobedience.

C.L.A.S.S.E., the more radical of the province’s three main student associations, declared Monday it would continue to encourage protests even if it meant it would lead to harsh financial penalties under the province’s Bill 87.

The special law won’t kill the student movement,” spokesman Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois said at a news conference on Monday.

“The fundamental rights under threat today need to be defended.”

The student group called for protests at least until classes, which were suspended under the legislation, resume in August. It also launched an appeal for financial assistance for a legal challenge against Bill 78 and to help pay for any fines incurred under the new legislation.

While a recent poll suggested the majority of Quebecers were in favour of the law, the government continues to face stiff opposition from those who argue it’s an affront on civil liberties.

A massive demonstration is planned for Tuesday afternoon to mark 100 days since the first group of students walked out of class. A coalition of 140 community groups and unions encouraged people to join the demonstration to denounce the tuition increases and the legislation.

“We decided earlier this year that the tuition increases should be a priority,” Veronique Laflamme, a spokeswoman for the coalition, said in an interview.

“But now, with the introduction of Bill 78, we find it even more important to participate in the protests.”

Several of the coalition members have already provided financial support for the student protests, she said.

Meanwhile, the international hacker group Anonymous hacked into the Quebec government public security’s website today, the latest in a series of apparent cyber attacks against the province. A post on the hacked web page warned the government to be fearful of the group.

“We don’t forgive,” the post said. “We don’t forget.”

Tensions were high during the nightly protests over the weekend after the bill was passed last Friday. More than 300 people were arrested on Sunday night alone and at least 20 were injured, including 11 police officers — though none seriously. Another protest was scheduled for Monday night, for the 28th day in a row.

Bill 78 lays out regulations for demonstrations over 50 people, including giving eight hours’ notice for a protest itinerary. Individual organizers and student groups could face stiff fines if they don’t comply. C.L.A.S.S.E. said it had no plans to do so.

Penalties range between $7,000 and $35,000 for a student leader and between $25,000 and $125,000 for unions or student federations. In addition, the legislation provides for fines for any individual who prevents someone from entering an educational institution. The law put the current academic session on hold until August for striking students, which make up less than one-third of Quebec post-secondary students.
 

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As soon as vandalism / assaults take place, the law has been broken, and those involved should be jailed until they appear in court. Until that point, the law should not be regulating who can wear what, or how many people can stand around together.

If the police need to use teargas, water cannons, truncheons, tasers, that's fine. But not before things have turned violent.
 

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As soon as vandalism / assaults take place, the law has been broken, and those involved should be jailed until they appear in court. Until that point, the law should not be regulating who can wear what, or how many people can stand around together.

If the police need to use teargas, water cannons, truncheons, tasers, that's fine. But not before things have turned violent.

What about those that wear masks- face coverings?
 

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What about those that wear masks- face coverings?
Protesters should not tolerate agent provocateurs to run lose at their demonstrations. These agents should be surrounded and their masks removed and their photos taken and published in news paper. The police should be stopped from instigating violence to discredit legitimate protests. But that would probably provoke the police to just get violent without provocation.

All hail Big Brother!
 

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Protesters should not tolerate agent provocateurs to run lose at their demonstrations. These agents should be surrounded and their masks removed and their photos taken and published in news paper. The police should be stopped from instigating violence to discredit legitimate protests. But that would probably provoke the police to just get violent without provocation.

All hail Big Brother!
Pasrts i agree with but??
Typical - the police are the enemy - you know as well as I that is crud.
 

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In my opinion it should be legal to gather and do whatever you want short of vandalism/assault/trespassing on private property. Should laws be broken the law enforcement should use proportional force. Don't sent a huge riot squad into the crowd because a couple people got out of hand. That can and will lead to much more trouble.
 

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The way I see it their right to demonstrate ends when it interferes with any other person's right to carry out their lawful business.
 

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What if they are demonstrating against those very corporations. The guy who drives down the road running over people is not going to stop if he does not know it is wrong, the only way he is going to change is if he stops long enough for somebody to say stop running over the people. If 'they' don't like the protests then put everything in the form of a referendum. 1867 was supposed be our base line as citizens, the Magna Carta was the baseline for the business owners. (your own UCC number)

According to Jordan Maxwell that number can be found on the stock exchange. (at least for America)



Birth Certificate Is A Security Stock - YouTube
 

taxslave

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What if they are demonstrating against those very corporations. The guy who drives down the road running over people is not going to stop if he does not know it is wrong, the only way he is going to change is if he stops long enough for somebody to say stop running over the people. If 'they' don't like the protests then put everything in the form of a referendum. 1867 was supposed be our base line as citizens, the Magna Carta was the baseline for the business owners. (your own UCC number)

According to Jordan Maxwell that number can be found on the stock exchange. (at least for America)



Birth Certificate Is A Security Stock - YouTube

What corporations?
 

WLDB

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The way I see it their right to demonstrate ends when it interferes with any other person's right to carry out their lawful business.

Reasonable. That should also go for governments. When Obama came here they shut down the downtown core and the market. It was very difficult to get around. Shutting down half the city seems a little paranoid. Also last summer when Prince William and his wife came here several blocks were closed off. One of the downsides of living in a government town I guess.