Hate Crimes: Iraqi Woman Beaten , Dies


Ocean Breeze
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A woman from Iraq who was found beaten next to a threatening note saying “go back to your country” has died, and police are investigating the possibility of a hate crime.
Hanif Mohebi, the director of the San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support Saturday afternoon.

“The family is in shock at the moment. They’re still trying to deal with what happened,” said Mohebi, who met with family members.

Alawadi, a 32-year-old mother of five, had .....

Police in CA looking into possibility of hate crime in death of severely beaten Iraqi woman - The Washington Post (external - login to view)


.........Another atrocity in the culture of violence .

this probably started when the USG decided to make Iraqis the enemy and invade them.

Horrific , and shameful.

(and for anyone that is interested: Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"
 
damngrumpy
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That's it, because someone was murdered, and a note was left it is definitely a hate crime?
It could be, it might also be a staged event to cover up a more serious crime of murder by
the hands of her own family or community. After all we have seen on TV and heard on the
news and from the courts how many of these families do what they call honor killings to
keep their women in line. There are not enough facts to support the claims being made this
is a hate crime. It is a crime, a murder, and shameful but we do not know what we are dealing
with yet. The fact it happened in America does not make it worse, it just establishes a location.
We had an entire family from the Middle East Murdered in Eastern Canada because they did
not like the way their daughters behaved. That was shameful, disgusting and violent and it
happened in Canada. Does that mean all Canadians are disgusting and shameful or even
violent? It is good sometimes to be critical of the actions of other governments but if you are
going to take that view, to have balance and credibility you have to acknowledge the good
things they do as well
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Police in CA looking into possibility of hate crime in death of severely beaten Iraqi woman - The Washington Post (external - login to view)


.........Another atrocity in the culture of violence .

this probably started when the USG decided to make Iraqis the enemy and invade them.

Horrific , and shameful.

Yep. Particularly the part where one takes a terrible crime and makes it part of a platform for anti-US rhetoric.

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(and for anyone that is interested: Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"

Oh gee, here we go.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

That's it, because someone was murdered, and a note was left it is definitely a hate crime?
It could be, it might also be a staged event to cover up a more serious crime of murder by
the hands of her own family or community. After all we have seen on TV and heard on the
news and from the courts how many of these families do what they call honor killings to
keep their women in line. There are not enough facts to support the claims being made this
is a hate crime. It is a crime, a murder, and shameful but we do not know what we are dealing
with yet. The fact it happened in America does not make it worse, it just establishes a location.
We had an entire family from the Middle East Murdered in Eastern Canada because they did
not like the way their daughters behaved. That was shameful, disgusting and violent and it
happened in Canada. Does that mean all Canadians are disgusting and shameful or even
violent? It is good sometimes to be critical of the actions of other governments but if you are
going to take that view, to have balance and credibility you have to acknowledge the good
things they do as well

Balance and credibility are not part of the agenda.
 
The Old Medic
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This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Iraq war. This has to do with some demented person, murdering another person. Attempts to make it into something more say a LOT more about the writer, than it does about the USA.
 
dumpthemonarchy
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A gay/ethnic person is attacked, it must be a hate crime. These people are different, they need another set of laws to tie the system in knots. While the actual offense gets sidetracked. I suppose the media, which doesn't like minoritiies, has to prove its bona fides here to show they really really really like these foreigners and will go the extra mile to show how special they are.

Vancouver police have a hate crime unit because they are too lazy to walk the beat on the downtown eastside and arrest people selling drugs on Mardi Gras aka welfare wednesday. The police would rather spend their time in Tim Horton's complaining how busy they are.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Police in CA looking into possibility of hate crime in death of severely beaten Iraqi woman - The Washington Post (external - login to view)


.........Another atrocity in the culture of violence .

this probably started when the USG decided to make Iraqis the enemy and invade them.

Horrific , and shameful.

(and for anyone that is interested: Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"

So you are finally admitting that Islam is a culture of violence. Good for you.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Iraq war. This has to do with some demented person, murdering another person. Attempts to make it into something more say a LOT more about the writer, than it does about the USA.

Hope you are right in that it has nothing to do ;with the Iraq war. Not sure how you can can be so certain that events like this are not related: directly or indirectly.

(no need to make a personal issue or attack out of it. Really now )

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

So you are finally admitting that Islam is a culture of violence. Good for you.

Never denied it. don't be silly as that is how your comment sounds. That does not mean that the US is not a culture of violence too.

It might be different , it might have a different basis even use different tools of violence ........but violent just the same. Violence of the Islam folks seems to be a lot more religious based. They are still hanging on to primitive beliefs that condone all kinds of violence.

In the US .....the culture of violence is one of choice. They relish violence in movies, and in real life. They love their guns ,more than most nations......and "justify" possession of them as a "god " given right.

Fascinating how folks are more interested in bashing a poster than discussion the barbaric acts of this murder. Is that why you join forums...... to bully others??

The sign beside her body is evidence of a hate crime. That is an overt a statement as the killer can make. And yet some still need diagrams.
 
lone wolf
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What sort of vulture takes a tragedy and uses it to further an anti-America agenda?
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Hope you are right in that it has nothing to do ;with the Iraq war. Not sure how you can can be so certain that events like this are not related: directly or indirectly.

How can you be so certain that events like this are related: directly or indirectly.

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Fascinating how folks are more interested in bashing a poster than discussion the barbaric acts of this murder.

Discussing the barbaric acts of this murder? Like this?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Police in CA looking into possibility of hate crime in death of severely beaten Iraqi woman - The Washington Post (external - login to view)


.........Another atrocity in the culture of violence .

this probably started when the USG decided to make Iraqis the enemy and invade them.

Obviously directly related to this murder.

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Horrific , and shameful.

(and for anyone that is interested: Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,455,590"

Also pertinent to a murder that occurred in California.

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Is that why you join forums...... to bully others??

So why is it that you join forums? To use a terrible murder, where children have lost their mother, in order to make some kind of point regarding why you feel the Iraq War is wrong.

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The sign beside her body is evidence of a hate crime.

Could be. Or it's a red herring.

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That is an overt a statement as the killer can make.

Could be. Or it's a red herring.

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And yet some still need diagrams.

Apparently even the investigators who've stated they "are not drawing conclusions at this time". Perhaps you should set them straight as well.
 
Cannuck
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red herring - definition and examples of red herrings - logical fallacies (external - login to view)
 
Ocean Breeze
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SLM: pretty good post. Definately emphatic and with some good points. Thanks.

Of course we can't be absolutely certain of the motive. That is usually the most elusive aspect of a killing in most situations. this one seems to have sign posts. IF a "red herring"......what else might be the motive?? How do you interpret the sign.??
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........an aside: but one would think that a nation would be getting more than a little weary of all the killings that happen. And these are the ones we hear about. Or is the culture of violence only going to get more violent . ?? Is america safe from itself??
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

SLM: pretty good post. Definately emphatic and with some good points. Thanks.

Of course we can't be absolutely certain of the motive. That is usually the most elusive aspect of a killing in most situations. this one seems to have sign posts. IF a "red herring"......what else might be the motive?? How do you interpret the sign.??

Can't be certain... but just in case you'll just use this for yet ANOTHER anti-US thread! YAAHOO!

I've never known anyone that rejoices in the blood and misery of others like you.

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........an aside: but one would think that a nation would be getting more than a little weary of all the killings that happen. And these are the ones we hear about. Or is the culture of violence only going to get more violent . ?? Is america safe from itself??

In summary... good post SLM and duly noted... but please excuse me as I continue my hate rant.
 
earth_as_one
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The note, they were new to the neighborhood... clues this might be a hate crime. But that's only one possibility. The police should alsways consider all possibilities. the most likely person to murder a woman is her husband... The note could be a diversion.
 
Ocean Breeze
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

The note, they were new to the neighborhood... clues this might be a hate crime. But that's only one possibility. The police should alsways consider all possibilities. the most likely person to murder a woman is her husband... The note could be a diversion.

So.......is this how new residents to a neighborhood are to be welcomed?? Either way......not much is being said about this killing on the media. With so many killings to report on.....one has to assume that a prioritizing takes place. this may have receeded to the back burner.

Another tragedy in a culture where violence is the "norm" now.

Is this supposed to say that Iraqis are not welcome in the US?? After being "liberated" by the US??? Does not get much more convoluted than that.

IF the spouse did the killing..........."hate" crime still would apply. He obviously did not do it out of love. (IF he did it)
 
lone wolf
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I suppose no one is going to know until someone fesses up. Until then, all there is is speculation.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

SLM: pretty good post. Definately emphatic and with some good points. Thanks.
Of course we can't be absolutely certain of the motive. That is usually the most elusive aspect of a killing in most situations. this one seems to have sign posts. IF a "red herring"......what else might be the motive??

Greed, lust, jealousy, revenge, hell it could even be hatred. How many motives are there for murder?
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How do you interpret the sign.??

I don't. But anytime a criminal seems to have been really helpful and left behind such a big clue for police detailing the motive for a crime, I get suspicious. Call me cynical.
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

In summary... good post SLM and duly noted... but please excuse me as I continue my hate rant.

Lol.
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

The note, they were new to the neighborhood... clues this might be a hate crime. But that's only one possibility. The police should alsways consider all possibilities. the most likely person to murder a woman is her husband... The note could be a diversion.

Just as a for instance.
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I suppose no one is going to know until someone fesses up. Until then, all there is is speculation.

Speculation/gossip. Tomato/potato.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

The note, they were new to the neighborhood... clues this might be a hate crime. But that's only one possibility. The police should alsways consider all possibilities. the most likely person to murder a woman is her husband... The note could be a diversion.

But lets not wait for facts... there is a woman's death to be exploited! Yip! Yip!
 
earth_as_one
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How did I do that?
 
Ocean Breeze
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Is there an update on this case?? Regardless of the motives, it is an act of violence and a tragedy. They just keep piling up.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

How did I do that?

You didn't EAO. I quoted you but it was directed at someone else.
 
Colpy
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DEATH OF IRAQI WOMAN MOST LIKELY NOT A HATE CRIME - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
EagleSmack
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Well well well...

The "note" was actually a copy of a note...

The murdered woman was planning on divorcing her husband...

There was friction in the house over the planned marriage of their 17 year old daughter...

The family is now out of the country and back in Iraq for two weeks...

Pick up the flowers and candles from the doorstep everyone! No more vigils cause it doesn't appear to be a hate crime.

I think Breezy owes us an explanation of her rush to judgment.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post


.........Another atrocity in the culture of violence .

this probably started when the USG decided to make Iraqis the enemy and invade them.

Horrific , and shameful.

Ahem
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Well well well...
The "note" was actually a copy of a note...
The murdered woman was planning on divorcing her husband...
There was friction in the house over the planned marriage of their 17 year old daughter...
The family is now out of the country and back in Iraq for two weeks...
Pick up the flowers and candles from the doorstep everyone! No more vigils cause it doesn't appear to be a hate crime.
I think Breezy owes us an explanation of her rush to judgment.
Ahem

Don't hold your breath........
 
EagleSmack
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I'm not.
 

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