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Locutus
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You'd still hit it.


Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant



The Miss Universe Canada organizers concede Jenna Talackova is a “real girl,” but that doesn’t mean they will let her in their beauty pageant.


Talackova, a Vancouver native, will not be competing in this year’s Miss Universe Canada pageant because she was born a male.
According to Denis Davila, national director of Miss Universe Canada, the rules set by the Miss Universe franchise state that each contestant must be a “naturally born female.”


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Canada News: Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant - thestar.com



 
B00Mer
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Locutus, we already know you hit-her-in-the-sh!tter-like-tex-ritter-did-her
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Locutus, we already know you hit-her-in-the-sh!tter-like-tex-ritter-did-her


I prefer to say that I don't find myself very lonely.
 
taxslave
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My compliments to the body shop that did the rebuild.
 
Liberalman
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#5
Talk about limp biscuit
 
gerryh
#6
This is one the gblt lobby should go after.
 
eh1eh
#7
Seems like '******' or maybe 'uterus' is a qualification for the contest.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Seems like '******' or maybe 'uterus' is a qualification for the contest.


She would already have a ******, and not having a uterus would mean any young girl that has had to have a full hysterectomy for medical reasons would not qualify either. Descriminating against her because she was born with the wrong set of parts isn't right. That mistake has been rectified.
 
Liberalman
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According to the Star article he never had his sex change until he was 19 years old and started hormone therepy at 14 and it goes on that he wanted to be a girl at the age of 4 years of age so the Miss Universe Canada was right in their decision.

Since the Gay and Lesbian community has a lot more disposible income they should have their own international beauty pagent and he can enter that one he has a good chance of winning.
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

She would already have a ******, and not having a uterus would mean any young girl that has had to have a full hysterectomy for medical reasons would not qualify either. Descriminating against her because she was born with the wrong set of parts isn't right. That mistake has been rectified.

Well if they were denying her some kind of rights I would agree but this is a different situation. The pageant isn't a human right, it's a business. I would think she signed a contract before competing which probably stipulated she comply with the rules or be qualified.
Other Miss 'whatever' contests have lost their title by breaking the rules.
Do you think everyone that breaks a business contract is being discriminated against? Or do you think anyone who applies for the contest should be allowed to compete to protect their right to do so?
 
gerryh
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

According to the Star article he never had his sex change until he was 19 years old and started hormone therepy at 14 and it goes on that he wanted to be a girl at the age of 4 years of age so the Miss Universe Canada was right in their decision.

Since the Gay and Lesbian community has a lot more disposible income they should have their own international beauty pagent and he can enter that one he has a good chance of winning.


SHE, dummy, NOT he.

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Well if they were denying her some kind of rights I would agree but this is a different situation. The pageant isn't a human right, it's a business. I would think she signed a contract before competing which probably stipulated she comply with the rules or be qualified.
Other Miss 'whatever' contests have lost their title by breaking the rules.
Do you think everyone that breaks a business contract is being discriminated against? Or do you think anyone who applies for the contest should be allowed to compete to protect their right to do so?


I didn't say they were denying her any "rights". I said she is being discriminated against because she was born with the wrong set.
 
eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post





I didn't say they were denying her any "rights". I said she is being discriminated against because she was born with the wrong set.

I see. I still think they have the right.
Would make a good PR campaign for the LBGT cause though.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Would make a good PR campaign for the LBGT cause though.


I agree, that's why I suggested it.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

SHE, dummy, NOT he.




I didn't say they were denying her any "rights". I said she is being discriminated against because she was born with the wrong set.

Does the Olympic Committee not have the same rules?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Does the Olympic Committee not have the same rules?


What does that matter?

Why don't you check Rene Richards.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

What does that matter?

Why don't you check Rene Richards.

I assume there is a signed contract outlining the rules?

According to Denis Davila, national director of Miss Universe Canada, the rules set by the Miss Universe franchise state that each contestant must be a “naturally born female.”

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

2010
Semenya on the 2010 Diamond League circuitIn March 2010 she was denied the opportunity to compete in the local Yellow Pages Series V Track and Field event in Stellenbosch, South Africa, because the IAAF had yet to release its findings from her gender test.[35]

On 6 July, the IAAF cleared Semenya to return to international competition. The results of the gender tests, however, will not be released for privacy reasons.[3] She returned to competition nine days later winning two minor races in Finland.[36] On August 22, 2010, running on the same track as her World Championship victory, Semenya started slowly but finished strongly, dipping under 2:00 for the first time since the controversy, while winning the ISTAF meet in Berlin.[37]

Not being on full form, she did not enter the World Junior Championships or the African Championships, both held in July 2010, and opted to target the Commonwealth Games to be held in October 2010.[38] She improved her season's best to 1:58.16 at the Notturna di Milano meeting in early September and returned to South Africa to prepare for the Commonwealth Games.[39] Eventually, she was forced to skip the games due to injury.[40]

In September, the British magazine New Statesman included Semenya in its annual list of "50 People That Matter" for unintentionally instigating "an international and often ill-tempered debate on gender politics, feminism and race, becoming an inspiration to gender campaigners around the world."[5]
 
gerryh
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did you check Rene Richards? Didn't think so.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

did you check Rene Richards? Didn't think so.

I did - And read the Court decision - Guess you are jumping to conclusions. Something that you have accused others of.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I did - And read the Court decision - Guess you are jumping to conclusions. Something that you have accused others of.


Then you know that it doesn't matter what the hell the contract says or what the "rules" are. If they are discriminatory they aren't worth the paper they are written on.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Then you know that it doesn't matter what the hell the contract says or what the "rules" are. If they are discriminatory they aren't worth the paper they are written on.

In the US.

Renée Richards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
Renée Richards (born August 19, 1934) is an American ophthalmologist, author and former professional tennis player. In 1975, Richards underwent sex reassignment surgery. She was denied entry into the 1976 US Open by the United States Tennis Association, citing an unprecedented women-born-women policy. She disputed the ban, and the New York Supreme Court ruled in her favor in 1977. This was a landmark decision in favor of transsexual rights.[2
 
Kakato
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So Gerry,are you saying if you went and got a ******,tucked up those manbreasts and got a few facelifts and applied for miss universe that it would be ok?
 
gerryh
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I'm saying that I see no reason for Miss Talackova to have been denied entry since she has been acknowledged as being a "real" girl.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

I'm saying that I see no reason for Miss Talackova to have been denied entry since she has been acknowledged as being a "real" girl.

The case brings up a number of valid points. This one you made is valid. So Miss Universe must be taken to court and the courts decide if it is indeed discriminatory or they change their policies. One or the other.

But other orgs would not accept a person to compete in say the Olympic games for one - Due to unfair advantage, While you can change certain things about a persons body the physiology - genetics are still there.

There was a case a few years ago in the US about a golfer - She (Transsexual) ended up competing - but they changed the rules for the following tournaments.

So im my view discrimination is not the only thing in play.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

The case brings up a number of valid points. This one you made is valid. So Miss Universe must be taken to court and the courts decide if it is indeed discriminatory or they change their policies. One or the other.
.

Which is why I said:

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

This is one the gblt lobby should go after.

 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

Locutus, we already know you hit-her-in-the-sh!tter-like-tex-ritter-did-her

For someone who got so bent out of shape by a woman being referred to as a dog, you sure do like to refer to woman in less than classy ways.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

This is one the gblt lobby should go after.

I agree, it's a discriminatory policy. Although I'm not entirely supportive of the pagent industry, personally I find it all really superficial. That's just my opinion. But if she wants to participate, she should be given the opportunity.

Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

According to the Star article he never had his sex change until he was 19 years old and started hormone therepy at 14 and it goes on that he wanted to be a girl at the age of 4 years of age so the Miss Universe Canada was right in their decision.

Since the Gay and Lesbian community has a lot more disposible income they should have their own international beauty pagent and he can enter that one he has a good chance of winning.

First of all, she. Second of all, what disposable income? Lastly, never had you pegged for a homophobic bigot, but turns out I was wrong.
 
shadowshiv
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It's a shame. I hope that they can appeal this, as she has just as much right to enter the contest as any other woman. She's a woman, regardless of whether she was born with a ***** or a ******.

Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

So Gerry,are you saying if you went and got a ******,tucked up those manbreasts and got a few facelifts and applied for miss universe that it would be ok?

Totally different. It's not just the physical attributes that make her female.
 
damngrumpy
#27
In today's day and age, when we are talking about equality and equal opportunities in the
workplace and socially, why are we even still having these contests anyway? Everyone
to their own I guess but isn't this contradictory? Even the women if they really believe the
message they send to the public, shouldn't they be defending her?
Liberalman is likely right about the rules, as they are now written, however, when did they
change the rules? This would not even be an issue three decades ago so someone must
have seen this coming.
 
Cannuck
#28
What if I wanted to enter? Should I not be allowed just because I'm a guy?
 
gerryh
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Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

I know, it was a tough question.
 

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