Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government


Locutus
#1
In a highly significant move, ministers will fight a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which two British women will seek to establish their right to display the cross.

It is the first time that the Government has been forced to state whether it backs the right of Christians to wear the symbol at work.

A document seen by The Sunday Telegraph discloses that ministers will argue that because it is not a “requirement” of the Christian faith, employers can ban the wearing of the cross and sack workers who insist on doing so.

The Government’s position received an angry response last night from prominent figures including Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury.

He accused ministers and the courts of “dictating” to Christians and said it was another example of Christianity becoming sidelined in official life.





more insanity, government meddling and social engineering experiments:


Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government - Telegraph (external - login to view)
 
CDNBear
#2
Interesting.
 
petros
#3
What about Catholics who wear a crucifix?
 
Machjo
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

In a highly significant move, ministers will fight a case at the European Court of Human Rights in which two British women will seek to establish their right to display the cross.

It is the first time that the Government has been forced to state whether it backs the right of Christians to wear the symbol at work.

A document seen by The Sunday Telegraph discloses that ministers will argue that because it is not a “requirement” of the Christian faith, employers can ban the wearing of the cross and sack workers who insist on doing so.

The Government’s position received an angry response last night from prominent figures including Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury.

He accused ministers and the courts of “dictating” to Christians and said it was another example of Christianity becoming sidelined in official life.





more insanity, government meddling and social engineering experiments:


Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government - Telegraph (external - login to view)


I can understand the point that they are not required as per Christian laws to wear the cross, and thus not falling under human rights violations per se. But just as a matter of courtesy, why could the company not just let them wear it?
 
petros
#5
Quote:

why could the company not just let them wear it?

It is payback for prosthelytizing in the lunch room.
 
CDNBear
+3
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

But just as a matter of courtesy, why could the company not just let them wear it?

Maybe for the same reason most tradesmen are not allowed to wear rings, earrings or necklaces at work.
 
petros
+1
#7
Bear. Are you saying I should take off my ring before using a grinder in the office?
 
CDNBear
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Bear. Are you saying I should take off my ring before using a grinder in the office?

LOL... Not that a nurse is exactly an office worker. Or doesn't come into proximity of things that can catch on a loose necklace, rings or earrings...

But yes, obviously, because the office is going to be the only place impacted by this.

For someone who talks about seeing the big picture, you sometimes narrow your scope, just a wee bit.
 
petros
+1
#9
Nah...I'm in a jaunty mood and just pissing around.
 
CDNBear
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Nah...I'm in a jaunty mood and just pissing around.

LOL, gotchya.
 
Machjo
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Maybe for the same reason most tradesmen are not allowed to wear rings, earrings or necklaces at work.

Perhaps. If it's a safety issue, then it would be more than appropriate to prohibit the wearing of the cross, or at least wear it in a safer manner such as as a lapel pin or something of the sort.

Just to clarify, seeing that it's not a requirement of the faith to wear the cross, it would seem inappropriate to thus make it a legal right to wear it. However, as a simple matter of courtecy, it would only be reasonable on the part of a considerate employer to accommodate it within reason, or in some safer modified form such as a lapel pin, if it really means that much to an employee.
 
petros
+1
#12
Be trendy and get a Jesus tattoo. They can't make you take off your skin.
 
CDNBear
+5
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Perhaps. If it's a safety issue, then it would be more than appropriate to prohibit the wearing of the cross, or at least wear it in a safer manner such as as a lapel pin or something of the sort.

Just to clarify, seeing that it's not a requirement of the faith to wear the cross, it would seem inappropriate to thus make it a legal right to wear it. However, as a simple matter of courtecy, it would only be reasonable on the part of a considerate employer to accommodate it within reason, or in some safer modified form such as a lapel pin, if it really means that much to an employee.

I find it odd that the UK protects the Burka, a non religious affectation, but is willing to go so far as to leave the crucifix out in the cold.

Hence my first post, Interesting.

No wonder the UK spawns people like Pat Condell, and the EDL.
 
Machjo
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I find it odd that the UK protects the Burka, a non religious affectation, but is willing to go so far as to leave the crucifix out in the cold.

Hence my first post, Interesting.

No wonder the UK spawns people like Pat Condell, and the EDL.

I seem to remember reading about a British teacheer fired for wearing the Burka in school. Can you confirm this? Unless I'm mistaken, the veil is protected but not the burqa.
 
MHz
#15
A cross is an icon, it isn't a requirement for belief, in fact if you need one as a reminder, ....... a cross or a picture on a wall isn't going to do it. Certainly sets up the Christian dodad manufacturers will now come out with a locket that has a cross inside it. $49.95 more than just the cross alone. The Church will be thanking your for all the donations, courtesy of your local friendly neighborhood busy-bodies.lol
The Church should one up the law, ban crosses in Church, speaking of which when do they come off the public side of the Church, that is certainly public view. Priests should have to wear one that can be spotted a full block away.

The Queen's crown has a big old cross on it, when is it to be worn in public again or is it off to the vaults for that relic, the crown not the queen.
Last edited by MHz; Mar 11th, 2012 at 08:58 AM..
 
CDNBear
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I seem to remember reading about a British teacheer fired for wearing the Burka in school.

I haven't heard about that.
 
Machjo
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I haven't heard about that.

BBC NEWS | UK | The woman at centre of veil case (external - login to view)

Among the arguments, including the fact that the teacher's assistant in question seems disingenuous about not wearing the Burqa for the job interview, is that Islam does not require the Burqa whereas it's at least debatable that Muslimat are required to wear the veil.
 
Tonington
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Be trendy and get a Jesus tattoo. They can't make you take off your skin.

No, but they can fire your ***.
 
CDNBear
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

BBC NEWS | UK | The woman at centre of veil case (external - login to view)

Among the arguments, including the fact that the teacher's assistant in question seems disingenuous about not wearing the Burqa for the job interview, is that Islam does not require the Burqa whereas it's at least debatable that Muslim are required to wear the veil.

I think that was the crux of the case. After further reading, it seems she isn't done yet. And plans to take the case as far as she can.

Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

No, but they can fire your ***.

Most of mine are traditional. I'd actually like to test that case, lol.
 
lone wolf
+2
#20
When questioned you tell 'em it's a telephone pole. Got anything against 'em ... hang up now....
 
Dexter Sinister
+1
#21
I wonder how the argument that it's just a piece of decorative jewellery would go down. And because wearing it isn't a requirement of the faith, that's really all it is. Talk about a hurricane in a teacup...
 
taxslave
+1
#22
Odd sometimes how the push to be PC can come up with such stupid rules. Here in Canada we permit sikhs to wear turbans in hazardous work places and in both military and police in lieu of proper uniforms but a cross is a no no in an office. Being a visible minority has definite advantages.
 
L Gilbert
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government - Telegraph (external - login to view)

Unreal. I wonder how they'd feel if people started wearing Swastikas, Yin-yangs, astrological symbols (like the one for Cancer -"69"), etc.
 
Niflmir
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Odd sometimes how the push to be PC can come up with such stupid rules. Here in Canada we permit sikhs to wear turbans in hazardous work places and in both military and police in lieu of proper uniforms but a cross is a no no in an office. Being a visible minority has definite advantages.

Actually, the British government allows Sikhs to wear turbans and daggers as well, because it is actually a requirement of their religion. Christians are not required by their religion to wear a cross, ergo it is a personal choice motivated by a desire to express their religion and can be countered by dress code.
 
taxslave
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Actually, the British government allows Sikhs to wear turbans and daggers as well, because it is actually a requirement of their religion. Christians are not required by their religion to wear a cross, ergo it is a personal choice motivated by a desire to express their religion and can be countered by dress code.

So religion over rides safety? Now that is PC gone mad. But hey what do I know as a lowly first aid attendant and safety committee member both at work and our volunteer fire department.
 
MHz
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

... Sikhs to wear turbans and daggers

Obviously the solution is to allow them to ride for free if they will agree to protect the aircraft from being hi-jacked.
 
mentalfloss
#27
Keep the crosses, just ban Christians instead, lulz
 
MHz
#28
How about we make them wear a cross or an armband so they can be easily identified and shunned.
 
L Gilbert
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Obviously the solution is to allow them to ride for free if they will agree to protect the aircraft from being hi-jacked.

Could actually pay them to do that.
 
MHz
#30
How about flooding the plane with sleeping gas even before it takes off and leave them all out for the duration of the flight?
 

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