Fed up with Islam Yet???


Cannuck
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News of the gruesome deaths drew a stern reaction from Iraq's prominent Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who criticised the stoning of the young men as 'an act of terrorism.'



You disagree with the cleric? Why?
 
Cliffy
+2
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And this does not frighten you?

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Colpy
+1 / -1
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post



You disagree with the cleric? Why?

Nope, just with the extremely high proportion of murderous lunatic idiots in the religion.

see Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and closer to home the Canadian Arab Federation, Palestine house, CAIR Canada.....
 
DurkaDurka
+1
#5
Another reason not be engaged in the ME.
 
Machjo
#6
It's not the religion that I'm fed up with, but the act committed rather.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

And this does not frighten you?

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Yes, I find that disturbing.....

But does it scare me??

No.

When was the last time a Baptist stoned a group of boys to death....or flew an airplane into a building.......or hanged a homosexual...or threw acid in the face of a schoolgirl.......or butchered their own daughters for having a boyfriend.......or blew themselves up in a public area for no discernable reason......or rioted and killed over the burning of a bible.....or rioted and killed over a cartoon.......or condemned an author to death over his writing.........or tried to murder a cartoonist........or entered a holy building with bombs and guns and shot and killed the congregation.......or indulged in FGM........or kidnapped a girl of another religion and forced her into marriage and conversion....or stoned to death a rape victim.......or executed someone for witchcraft...........or or or

Well, you get the idea.
 
L Gilbert
+3
#8
"Fed up with Islam Yet???"
Nope. It's just another religion, IMO. It has its nutbars and it has its sane people; just like most other religions.
 
Cannuck
+3 / -1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

And this does not frighten you?

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Colpy is unable to grasp the concept that the religion and the society are not one and the same. It really does confuse him when one brings up Kosovo, Albania or Kazakhstan because it doesn't seem to fit with his ideology.
 
Colpy
+6 / -2
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

It's not the religion that I'm fed up with, but the act committed rather.

The act springs from the religion, pure and simple.

ISLAM means submission, and it brooks no violation......nor any variation.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Colpy is unable to grasp the concept that the religion and the society are not one and the same. It really does confuse him when one brings up Kosovo, Albania or Kazakhstan because it doesn't seem to fit with his ideology.

No, you are not able to grasp the concept that Islam is different from Christianity.........in Christianity, gov't and society and religion are not one and the same.

In Islam, there is no valid culture or gov't apart from Islam.

It is the major difference in the religions, and is the reason the Islamic world is stuck in the year 1299........
 
L Gilbert
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

The act springs from the religion, pure and simple.

ISLAM means submission, and it brooks no violation......nor any variation.

That's like saying Christianity doesn't have a range of members from fundies to idealists. Sorry, but there's a wide range of beliefs in Islamists.

NTM that not all of them are particularly fond of Sharia either.
 
Cannuck
+1 / -2
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

In Islam, there is no valid culture or gov't apart from Islam.

You are completely and utterly wrong but you are far to stupid to be educated on the matter. As I have said before, Kosovo would not be what it is today if you were right nor would Turkey for that matter.
 
Colpy
+4
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

That's like saying Christianity doesn't have a range of members from fundies to idealists. Sorry, but there's a wide range of beliefs in Islamists.

NTM that not all of them are particularly fond of Sharia either.

Once again...

When was the last time a Baptist (even a hard-core whacko fundamentalist Baptist from Westboro) stoned a group of boys to death....or flew an airplane into a building.......or hanged a homosexual...or threw acid in the face of a schoolgirl.......or butchered their own daughters for having a boyfriend.......or blew themselves up in a public area for no discernable reason......or rioted and killed over the burning of a bible.....or rioted and killed over a cartoon.......or condemned an author to death over his writing.........or tried to murder a cartoonist........or entered a holy building with bombs and guns and shot and killed the congregation.......or indulged in FGM........or kidnapped a girl of another religion and forced her into marriage and conversion....or stoned to death a rape victim.......or executed someone for witchcraft...........or or or

Well, you get the idea.
 
DaSleeper
+4 / -2
#14

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Colpy
+7 / -1
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

You are completely and utterly wrong but you are far to stupid to be educated on the matter. As I have said before, Kosovo would not be what it is today if you were right nor would Turkey for that matter.

You are such a ****ing moron....

Dont argue with me ****head, argue with Naill Ferguson, professor of History at both Harvard and Oxford, and the pre-eminent historian in the world today...

read Civilization: the West and the Rest......

Dedicated, btw, to Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

You're out of your depth dumbass, so just STFU.

If you were intellectually competent, you'd probably be able to keep a civil tongue in your head....but as you are neither civil nor competent, you are beneath consideration.
Last edited by Colpy; Mar 10th, 2012 at 02:46 PM..
 
Tonington
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Well, you get the idea.

Yes, because in a truly secular country, we don't take marching orders from religious leaders. The government makes laws that make practices such as those you mentioned unlawful. They'll go to jail here.

It is society. Uganda, over 85% of whom are Christian, a Christian country. They were set to pass a bill that would make homosexuality a crime worthy of the death penalty until the global condemnation. And not just the law, in society at large newspapers published pictures of known homosexuals with captions calling for their death. Homosexuals have been attacked and murdered by bigots, just like your news story from Iraq.
 
L Gilbert
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Once again...

When was the last time a Baptist (even a hard-core whacko fundamentalist Baptist from Westboro) stoned a group of boys to death....or flew an airplane into a building.......or hanged a homosexual...or threw acid in the face of a schoolgirl.......or butchered their own daughters for having a boyfriend.......or blew themselves up in a public area for no discernable reason......or rioted and killed over the burning of a bible.....or rioted and killed over a cartoon.......or condemned an author to death over his writing.........or tried to murder a cartoonist........or entered a holy building with bombs and guns and shot and killed the congregation.......or indulged in FGM........or kidnapped a girl of another religion and forced her into marriage and conversion....or stoned to death a rape victim.......or executed someone for witchcraft...........or or or

Well, you get the idea.

I don't know about Baptists, but ......

‘Christian warrior’ charged with firebombing Oregon mosque*|*Raw Replay

Christian Terrorists Leave IED Outside Abortion Clinic

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

Christian Terror and Aggression in India

Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 99.6% that Aren't | loonwatch.com

Christian extremist allegedly behind Oslo shootings | GlobalPost

etc
etc
etc
 
Colpy
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Yes, because in a truly secular country, we don't take marching orders from religious leaders. The government makes laws that make practices such as those you mentioned unlawful. They'll go to jail here.

It is society. Uganda, over 85% of whom are Christian, a Christian country. They were set to pass a bill that would make homosexuality a crime worthy of the death penalty until the global condemnation. And not just the law, in society at large newspapers published pictures of known homosexuals with captions calling for their death. Homosexuals have been attacked and murdered by bigots, just like your news story from Iraq.


Which is the point...

The Christian view is "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's'........a separation of responsibility.......

There is none in Islam. Sharia is the law, and the gov't bows to the will of Allah........Islam means submission, and yes, they MEAN it.

As for Uganda, you really had to reach there, didn't you??? And the bill did not even pass.

Here is the diff........in Islam, those stoning homosexuals and adulterers would be good Muslims, obeying the law of Sharia.

In Christianity...."Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"...........the bigots are not behaving in a Christian manner.
 
L Gilbert
+2
#19
The point being is that not all Moslems are fundies just as not all Christians are idealists. Not all Moslems follow Sharia. If you want to call them bad Moslems, that's fine but that does not change the fact that a lot of them are peaceful and tolerant.
 
Colpy
+1 / -1
#20
Sorry....complete FAIL.

The guy in Oregon has not been convicted, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime.

Nobody convicted in Texas, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime. (although this is the closest you come, there have been acts of violence by anti-abortion activists.......to prevent what they see as murder)

Terror and aggression in India???? From an obviously incredibly anti-Christian source???? Which lists mere suspicion of one murder, and accusations of child molestation by Christian perverts?? Really???

The Euro report does not even LIST Christian terrorism in it's groupings of terror attacks....because none exists.

Breivik denied his Christianity in his lunatic "manifesto". Right from the horse's mouth.

Oh, here is the last TWO DAYS of Islamic actions..

2012.03.09 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslim 'rebels' kidnap two local soldiers from their post, tie them up and then execute them. 2012.03.08 (Ashaka, Nigeria) - Civilians are among seven dead when Boko Haram cadres attack two banks and a police station. 2012.03.08 (Sokoto, Nigeria) - Fundamentalists murder two European engineers in captivity. 2012.03.07 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Two young women are murdered on suspicion of being lesbians. 2012.03.07 (Karachi, Pakistan) - An Ahmadi is gunned down in a targeted attack at a market. 2012.03.07 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - A Taliban bomb planted in a sewer takes out a 9-year-old child.

Besides the Emo killings.....

Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

The point being is that not all Moslems are fundies just as not all Christians are idealists. Not all Moslems follow Sharia. If you want to call them bad Moslems, that's fine but that does not change the fact that a lot of them are peaceful and tolerant.


Absolutely.

There are bad Muslims. Thankfully.

Which doesn't change the fact that fundamentalist Islam is on the rise, and the barbarians are at the gate....as always.
 
Tonington
+4
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

As for Uganda, you really had to reach there, didn't you???

You asked about homosexuals and Christians didn't you? The bill was never put back on the order papers, because of the international pressure. That hasn't stopped larger Ugandan society from essentially lynching homosexuals, has it?

This essentially is evidence of the point that the society plays a stronger role than the actual religion does. If you still don't believe that, then try to find an instance in Canada or any other Western nation where crowds roamed the streets and stoned people to their death for looking Emo.

Like Les says, there are losers in every demographic group of humans. In some societies more so than in others.
 
L Gilbert
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Sorry....complete FAIL.

The guy in Oregon has not been convicted, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime.

Nobody convicted in Texas, no one was hurt, and it was a property crime. (although this is the closest you come, there have been acts of violence by anti-abortion activists.......to prevent what they see as murder)

Irrelevant argument. It's still violence perped by Christians. That no-one was injured or killed and no-one was convicted is incidental.

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Terror and aggression in India???? From an obviously incredibly anti-Christian source???? Which lists mere suspicion of one murder, and accusations of child molestation by Christian perverts?? Really???

Is the article wrong? If so, then prove it.

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Breivik denied his Christianity in his lunatic "manifesto". Right from the horse's mouth.

"Breivik claimed that he is a Christian in various forums" Is Anders Breivik A 'Christian Terrorist'? So its up in the air whether he is Christian or not.

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Oh, here is the last TWO DAYS of Islamic actions..
2012.03.09 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslim 'rebels' kidnap two local soldiers from their post, tie them up and then execute them. 2012.03.08 (Ashaka, Nigeria) - Civilians are among seven dead when Boko Haram cadres attack two banks and a police station. 2012.03.08 (Sokoto, Nigeria) - Fundamentalists murder two European engineers in captivity. 2012.03.07 (

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So that means all Moslems are religious fanatics? Get a grip.

Take a snoop through here: https://www.google.ca/webhp?rlz=1C1G...w=1884&bih=931
 
Cliffy
+5
#23
Christ is lord and master. Does that not mean the Christians must submit to and obey their master? How is that different from Muslims submitting? How many Christians do not throw (metaphorical) stones at those they think are breaking Christian law? Sometimes the emotional and psychological damage is worse than the physical.
 
lone wolf
#24
I slam a lot of things.... Doors, mostly....
 
WLDB
#25
And if we are fed up, what do you propose we do about it? Ban it? Throw them all in prison?
 
55Mercury
#26
how about read them the Riot Act

?
 
Cliffy
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

how about read them the Riot Act

?

I think Colpy already did. He's probably cleaning his guns as we speak.
 
L Gilbert
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

And if we are fed up, what do you propose we do about it? Ban it? Throw them all in prison?

We can direct Colpy to them all so he can shoot them all for us.
 
WLDB
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

We can direct Colpy to them all so he can shoot them all for us.

Last I heard their numbers were pushing 1 billion. He'd be really busy for a really long time.
 
Spade
+1 / -1
#30
Colpy have a final solution?
 

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