Fed up with Islam Yet???


MHz
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Nope, just with the extremely high proportion of murderous lunatic idiots in the religion.

see Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and closer to home the Canadian Arab Federation, Palestine house, CAIR Canada.....

Hate to ruin your boner but the riots were caused by a statement made by a politician, nobody is a politician withou US approval. Do they do any screened other than look for some mark beside the 'Saddam is bad' line.
 
captain morgan
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I think Colpy already did. He's probably cleaning his guns as we speak.

He could rocks and cinder blocks if that makes you feel better about it
 
Dexter Sinister
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

......in Christianity, gov't and society and religion are not one and the same.

They were once, and when they were, Christianity behaved just as badly as Islam does. Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, and it's behaving about as Christianity did at the same age, except that it has better weapons. Modern western civilization exists in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion has resisted progress in science, the arts, and philosophy, at every turn, and it's still trying.

It's not that long ago that people like Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Victor Stenger, et al, and me (not that I consider myself part of that distinguished company) would have been tortured and executed for what they've said and written. Read Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century, to get a feel for how the Christian church wielded its secular power 600 years ago.
 
B00Mer
#34
 
DaSleeper
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#35
"In God We Trust" hasn't stopped anyone from using American currency yet ......Non?
 
Goober
+1
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

They were once, and when they were, Christianity behaved just as badly as Islam does. Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity, and it's behaving about as Christianity did at the same age, except that it has better weapons. Modern western civilization exists in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion has resisted progress in science, the arts, and philosophy, at every turn, and it's still trying.

It's not that long ago that people like Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Victor Stenger, et al, and me (not that I consider myself part of that distinguished company) would have been tortured and executed for what they've said and written. Read Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century, to get a feel for how the Christian church wielded its secular power 600 years ago.

I beg to disagree - Islam changed around the 12th or 13th century - Became regressive. As Europe changed during the Reformation and thru the following centuries it lead to dramatic changes througout Europe.

Lecture 18: Islamic Civilization (external - login to view)

In the 8th and 9th centuries, under the Abbasid caliphs, Islamic civilization entered a golden age. Arabic, Byzantine, Persian and Indian cultural traditions were integrated. And while in Europe, learning seemed to be at its lowest point, the Muslims created what I suppose could be called a "high civilization." Thanks to Muslim scholars, ancient Greek learning, acquired from their contact with Byzantine scholars, was kept alive and was eventually transferred to the West in the 12th century and after (see Lecture 26). But not only did Muslim scholars preserve the heritage of Greek science and philosophy, they added to it by writing commentaries and glosses, thus adding to what eventually became the western intellectual tradition. Throughout the Qur'an one can find a strong emphasis on the value of knowledge in the Islamic faith. The Qur'an encourages Muslims to learn and acquire knowledge, stemming from, but not limited to, the Muslim emphasis on knowing the unity of God. Because Muslims believe that Allah is all-knowing, they also believe that the human world's quest for knowledge leads to further knowing of Allah.

Lecture 26: The 12th Century Renaissance (external - login to view)


Looking at the context in which Ibn 'Ata' Allah wrote Miftah al-Falah, the Islamic civilization of the Middle Ages was phenomenal in its successes in art and knowledge. The culture had the foremost doctors and scientists of their day, Danner-Fadae says. Its scholars were advanced in grammar and poetry, sciences, medicine, math, and astronomy. At a time when London and Paris had mud streets, Islamic civilization had paved streets, sewer systems, public baths, and other elaborate architecture. "Western Europeans learned Arabic to learn from Islamic civilization, especially to study their medical texts," she says. "A tradition could not flourish 1,400 years without some significance to it. It could not be superficial to have lasted these centuries and create such a tremendous civilization and such devoted followers."

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)

There is little agreement on the precise causes of the decline, but in addition to invasion by the Mongols and crusaders and the destruction of libraries and madrasahs, it has also been suggested that political mismanagement and the stifling of ijtihad (independent reasoning) in the 12th century in favor of institutionalised taqleed (imitation) thinking played a part. Ahmad Y Hassan has rejected the thesis that lack of creative thinking was a cause, arguing that science was always kept separate from religious argument; he instead analyses the decline in terms of economic and political factors, drawing on the work of the 14th Century writer Ibn Khaldun.[9]

Decline Of Islamic Civilizations - Causes - Time For A New Paradigm By Mirza A. Beg (external - login to view)

The great Muslim tradition of scholarship in philosophy and sciences were in decline by the dawn of the 13th century. About this time the Europeans had started translations of the knowledge accrued and built upon by the Muslim scholars. Though in the 15th and 16th centuries Europe was still in religious straight-jacket, it had started a gradual pushing back against the stranglehold of the unitary Catholic Church. The freedom of thought gradually gained ground in the 18th century, and has come to be known as the ‘Age of Reason’. With this came the unleashing of sciences, leading to better technology and the start of colonial expansion. By the mid 19th century the ‘Industrial Revolution’ had taken hold, particularly the war technology and exploration leading to world dominance and colonialism. The colonialism and the ascendance of the West were in part caused by the weakness in Islamic societies.

Though Islam unequivocally preaches egalitarianism, the powerful elite could not let go of the trappings of power base in tribes and ethnic dominion of conquerors. Though legally and ideally the Islamic justice system guarantied equality, the egalitarian ethos of Islam was greatly damaged. Early on, the conquering Arabs were accorded higher status leading to a class system. By the time Islam reached India the lower casts converts were shunned in social intercourse, in effect creating racism. They could have accepted Islam in droves, but they found that although the egalitarianism was preached, it was practiced with limitations. After fourteen centuries of Islam, tribalism continues in many Middle-Eastern countries to this day.
 
Dexter Sinister
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#37
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I beg to disagree -

I don't see how you're disagreeing with me, the point I made was that Islam's about 14 centuries old and it's behaving about like 14th century Christianity did, nothing you cited disputes that. It's certainly true that Islam once had a golden age, and actually that is a factor in the present behaviour of its extremists, who think the golden age was lost because Allah turned his face away from them as a punishment for straying from the true path. They believe what they have to do is go back to 7th century practices and Allah will smile upon them again and restore the golden age.

The real fault, if it can be laid at any one person's door, belongs to Imam Hamid al-Ghazali, Islam's equivalent of Aquinas. Baghdad between the 9th and 12th centuries was the intellectual centre of the world, a community of Islamic, Christian, Jewish, and other scholars free to investigate and share ideas. That intellectual community generated significant advances in medicine, astronomy, mathematics, navigation, engineering, etc., as well as preserving much of the legacy of classical Greece and Rome. Al-Ghazali codified and standardized the practice of Islam, wrote it all down and, among other great leaps backward, branded mathematics as the work of the devil. Revelation replaced investigation as the primary source of knowledge, he cut that intellectual community off at the knees, and it never recovered. That's what religion with secular power does.
 
damngrumpy
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#38
Radical Islam is not the main stay of the faith, and should not be labelled religion but criminal
organizations if they commit crimes against people in society. The Christian film is disturbing
because adults are warping young minds and those young minds become the religious
criminals of the future. The Christina kids may not become suicide bombers instead they will
become future elected officials that will use their powers to make life a living hell for a lot of
people. When you get radical groups like these be they Islamic, Christian or anything else,
that build a power base of significant magnitude you have a problem. You are baring witness
to the slow disintegration of society in general. Being killed by a radical Muslim or a radical
Christian doesn't make much difference to me as I would be just as dead either way,
Actually the Christian video is more troubling, these little future fascists have a better chance
of gaining power in western societies.
 
Colpy
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Hate to ruin your boner but the riots were caused by a statement made by a politician, nobody is a politician withou US approval. Do they do any screened other than look for some mark beside the 'Saddam is bad' line.

What statement???
 
gerryh
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#40
Iraq? Iraq? Oh yes! That was the country that the "coalition of the willing" went into to "free" the Iraqi people from that horrid monster Saddam. You know Saddam, the secularist leader that managed to keep a lid on the Shia extremists, remember him?
 
Cannuck
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#41
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Dont argue with me Dickhead,

I'm not arguing with you. I'm making fun of you. You clearly have no idea what Islam is or isn't yet you continue to post the same nonsense over and over again.
 
MHz
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

What statement???

Don't you research your thread topics prior to making them???

"an inflammatory interior ministry statement dubbed it "devil worshiping", activists said. Iraq's Moral Police released a chilling statement on the interior ministry's website condemning the "emo phenomenon" among Iraqi youth, disturbingly declaring its intent to "eliminate" the trend."
 
WLDB
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Iraq? Iraq? Oh yes! That was the country that the "coalition of the willing" went into to "free" the Iraqi people from that horrid monster Saddam. You know Saddam, the secularist leader that managed to keep a lid on the Shia extremists, remember him?

He was far from secular in his last couple years in power. And sure, he kept a lid on Shia extremists by persecuting the population. He was no better than religious extremists. He was one himself, even though he didn't rule a theocracy.
 
gerryh
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

He was far from secular in his last couple years in power. And sure, he kept a lid on Shia extremists by persecuting the population. He was no better than religious extremists. He was one himself, even though he didn't rule a theocracy.


Ok, so Iraq is better off now as opposed to then because.................................
 
Bar Sinister
+1
#45
This is just one more nail in the coffin of the Islamic government that controls Iran. For the last decade the government has shown that it is completely out of touch with the youth of the nation, who form the largest single demogarphic of Iran's population. The next election is going to be very interesting and if the incumbent party attempts to steal the election again, expect all hell to break loose. Iran is headed down the same path as Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.
 
gerryh
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

This is just one more nail in the coffin of the Islamic government that controls Iran. For the last decade the government has shown that it is completely out of touch with the youth of the nation, who form the largest single demogarphic of Iran's population. The next election is going to be very interesting and if the incumbent party attempts to steal the election again, expect all hell to break loose. Iran is headed down the same path as Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.


What the fu ck are you talking about?????????????

The OP is about IRAQ... you know...the country that the u.s. "liberated".
 
gopher
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#47
Truth Check: Is Iraq Killing Hundreds of Emo Teens? - Global - The Atlantic Wire (external - login to view)

''Another high-ranking cleric, however, downplayed the story as media-hyped hysteria. Ayatollah Mohammed al-Yakoubi released a statement on Friday, saying that while it should be everyone’s religious duty "to advise" Emo youth, the reports of the mass killings are false and politically motivated -- "aimed at tarnishing the image of those who are religious and have problems with the current government." He said no media outlets reporting the story have confirmed "the authenticity or the correctness of neither the news nor the numbers mentioned.”


We have had an endless array of reports over the years about reprehensible acts attributed to Muslims which were later found to be completely false. Have we stumbled across another one by any chance???
 
WLDB
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Ok, so Iraq is better off now as opposed to then because.................................

They have some say now in what happens to them. They aren't living in a country with heavy sanctions on it anymore. Basically, they have a chance. Had Saddam remained in that wouldn't be the case.

Was it worth it? I think it's still to early to tell. Maybe in 10-20 years.
 
CDNBear
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Truth Check: Is Iraq Killing Hundreds of Emo Teens? - Global - The Atlantic Wire (external - login to view)

''Another high-ranking cleric, however, downplayed the story as media-hyped hysteria. Ayatollah Mohammed al-Yakoubi released a statement on Friday, saying that while it should be everyone’s religious duty "to advise" Emo youth, the reports of the mass killings are false and politically motivated -- "aimed at tarnishing the image of those who are religious and have problems with the current government." He said no media outlets reporting the story have confirmed "the authenticity or the correctness of neither the news nor the numbers mentioned.”


We have had an endless array of reports over the years about reprehensible acts attributed to Muslims which were later found to be completely false. Have we stumbled across another one by any chance???

Funny how this sentiment gets trotted out by the Usual Suspects, but disregarded when it suits them.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; Mar 11th, 2012 at 12:44 PM..Reason: cleaning up some sidetracking
 
petros
#50
Maybe some day the Baha'i will blow something up and people can make up **** about another religion they know **** all about?

Those Baha'i are too damn quiet. I don't like that. It makes me suspicious.
 
CDNBear
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Maybe some day the Baha'i will blow something up and people can make up **** about another religion they know **** all about?

There's enough real drama in the Islamic world, making it redundant to make stuff up.
 
petros
#52
Whoever the hell wants to.
 
MHz
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Truth Check: Is Iraq Killing Hundreds of Emo Teens? - Global - The Atlantic Wire (external - login to view)

''Another high-ranking cleric, however, downplayed the story as media-hyped hysteria. Ayatollah Mohammed al-Yakoubi released a statement on Friday, saying that while it should be everyone’s religious duty "to advise" Emo youth, the reports of the mass killings are false and politically motivated -- "aimed at tarnishing the image of those who are religious and have problems with the current government." He said no media outlets reporting the story have confirmed "the authenticity or the correctness of neither the news nor the numbers mentioned.”


We have had an endless array of reports over the years about reprehensible acts attributed to Muslims which were later found to be completely false. Have we stumbled across another one by any chance???

Apparently not, what is false about it is that the killings are the work of the clergy, it would be done by what is equal to the KKK in Christianity.

Did the West forget to give them the new UN sanctioned code of conduct towards civilians, especially children. That was one of the talking points of the 2nd invasion, anybody from the West finally going to admnit things are that way because that is exactly how the plan goes. Same **** Carter pulled in Afghanistan in the '70's. Give some people a new rulebook and let them almost kill off the old guard that would rather die than give up control, the under some lie suddenly supply the old guard with the weapons they need to retake what they lost. In Afghanistan the first tactic was to start throwing acid in the faces of women who bared their face in public, that was the start of the terror campaign authorized and financed by the US. It would appear the same tactic is being used in Iraq. Let western trends creep in and then let the old guard handle it ways that would make Saddam wince because it targets children. Looks like NATO better invade, just like they should in Bahrain, when do those rebels get tank-buster shells?

www.naharnet.com/stories/en/3...rutal-killings (external - login to view)
 
Just the Facts
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

This is just one more nail in the coffin of the Islamic government that controls Iran. For the last decade the government has shown that it is completely out of touch with the youth of the nation, who form the largest single demogarphic of Iran's population. The next election is going to be very interesting and if the incumbent party attempts to steal the election again, expect all hell to break loose. Iran is headed down the same path as Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria.

Hmm, I'm inclined to think it's quite the other way around, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria are going down the same path Iran went 30 years ago. All four of those countries are well on the way to establishing an Islamic government. Just like Iran. Well, 3 for sure anyway, Assad might be able to hold out, but I doubt it.
 
Just the Facts
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Ok, so Iraq is better off now as opposed to then because.................................

....it's almost devoid of Christians now.

Sorry just trying to see the world from a "progressive" perspective.
 
Cannuck
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#56
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Think nothing of it, I take pleasure in assisting the admittedly stupid, like yourself.

Well, at least you agree with the video. You are starting to show promise.
 
petros
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

"Fed up with Islam Yet???"

Not yet no.
 
Ron in Regina
#58
Can this Thread go back to relating to the O.P. on its own please?


Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

The Thread is titled, "Fed up with Islam Yet???"

 
Vanni Fucci
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#59
You know Ron, some people can't seem to resist the urge and take any and all opportunity to show that they are nothing more than unrepentant douche canoes...
 
Vanni Fucci
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

You know Ron, some people can't seem to resist the urge and take any and all opportunity to show that they are nothing more than unrepentant douche canoes...


...and that goes for the Islamic terrorists too...
 

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