Canadian government is 'muzzling its scientists'


Machjo
#1
BBC News - Canadian government is 'muzzling its scientists'

It looks like Canada's getting some embarrassing coverage in the British media.

And this:

BBC News - Risks of placing scientists 'on message'
 
captain morgan
+1
#2
Maybe the Canadian Feds ought to get out of the science-game altogether
 
CDNBear
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Maybe the Canadian Feds ought to get out of the science-game altogether

Wouldn't that cause a glut of scientists on the open market, thus driving down their value?

Not to mention adding to the unemployment rate.
 
Machjo
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Maybe the Canadian Feds ought to get out of the science-game altogether

I could agree to that. However, what's worse than spending money on them is to then muzzle them. After all, once we've paid for the research, we might as well benefit from it.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Wouldn't that cause a glut of scientists on the open market, thus driving down their value?

Not to mention adding to the unemployment rate.

I'm all for job creation, but not make-work jobs. And honestly, scientists ought not have any problem finding work in the private sector. Sure the reduced demand might drive their wages down, but seeing how well-paid they are already, no need to worry.
 
captain morgan
+3
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Wouldn't that cause a glut of scientists on the open market, thus driving down their value?

Not to mention adding to the unemployment rate.

Cheaper to pay them EI.

On that note, seeing how the BBC likes to shoot its mouth off about Canada, maybe they can fund the research here in Canada... At least they'll have a good reason to whine.
 
Machjo
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Cheaper to pay them EI.

On that note, seeing how the BBC likes to shoot its mouth off about Canada, maybe they can fund the research here in Canada... At least they'll have a good reason to whine.

The BBC is a news agency, so news is what it reports, just like the CBC. Are you suggesting that the CBC be critical of nothing other than what the Canadian government funds and nothing else? This would mean the CBC could not be critical of anything outside of Canada.

Can you explain your view of the role of international journalism?
 
captain morgan
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I could agree to that. However, what's worse than spending money on them is to then muzzle them. After all, once we've paid for the research, we might as well benefit from it.

I don't disagree Machjo... I think that the bigger issue is the perennial intrusion of British media into Canada's affairs.

Maybe the BBC should concentrate on its own research sector and work on studying the cause of the dental problems in that nation

 
Angstrom
#8
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CDNBear
+1
#9
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Machjo
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

I don't disagree Machjo... I think that the bigger issue is the perennial intrusion of British media into Canada's affairs.

Maybe the BBC should concentrate on its own research sector and work on studying the cause of the dental problems in that nation

The BBC is just as critical of the UK too, just as the CBC is critical of other countries. That's the nature of international journalism.
 
darkbeaver
#11
Muzzling scientist is certainly not new. Disappearing them all-together isn't even novel. Who gives a damn about bleeding ozone holes anyway? Ozone is a renewable resource.
 
captain morgan
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4. Vilifying the Military (The Usual Suspects)
5. Rampant Ignorance (The Usual Suspects)
6. Controlled Mass Media (CBC)
7. Obsession with Redistribution of Everyone's Wealth But Their Own (The Entire Occupy Movement)
8. Religion is Singled-Out and the Practitioners are Ridiculed, Insulted and Over Generalized (The NDP & Usual Suspects)
9. The Fantasy Belief That Corporations are Protected (The Usual Suspects)
10. Organized Labor is Provided with Special Rights (NDP & Occupy Retards)
11. Insistence of Piling Massive Financial Resources Into Interpretative Dance (NDP. Liberals, CBC - they're all kinda the same thing really)
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damngrumpy
#13
Getting valuable research done and benefiting from it are two different things. There are times
when governments don't like the results or they socially conflict with the agenda of a social
conservative government for example. In the past governments have used or should I say
miss used research and science for their own ends. The controversy over pot is an example of
governments distorting facts to gain a foothold to declare war on drugs and nonsense like that.
No I have never used the funny weed and I never intend to but there comes a time when the
government, the legislative body of society has to except facts as they are not as they like
them to be.
This would not be the first government to attempt to do this I am sure.
 
pgs
+1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Getting valuable research done and benefiting from it are two different things. There are times
when governments don't like the results or they socially conflict with the agenda of a social
conservative government for example. In the past governments have used or should I say
miss used research and science for their own ends. The controversy over pot is an example of
governments distorting facts to gain a foothold to declare war on drugs and nonsense like that.
No I have never used the funny weed and I never intend to but there comes a time when the
government, the legislative body of society has to except facts as they are not as they like
them to be.
This would not be the first government to attempt to do this I am sure.

Yes Tommy Douglas and eughenics come to mind.
 
Bar Sinister
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

The 14 Defining Characteristics of Other Fascist Sh*t by Dr. Captain Morgan

1. Reposting the same garbage over and over ad nauseaum (You Know Who You Are)
2. Disdain for alternate opinion
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause (GreenPeace)
4. Vilifying the Military (The Usual Suspects)
5. Rampant Ignorance (The Usual Suspects)
6. Controlled Mass Media (CBC)
7. Obsession with Redistribution of Everyone's Wealth But Their Own (The Entire Occupy Movement)
8. Religion is Singled-Out and the Practitioners are Ridiculed, Insulted and Over Generalized (The NDP & Usual Suspects)
9. The Fantasy Belief That Corporations are Protected (The Usual Suspects)
10. Organized Labor is Provided with Special Rights (NDP & Occupy Retards)
11. Insistence of Piling Massive Financial Resources Into Interpretative Dance (NDP. Liberals, CBC - they're all kinda the same thing really)
12. Obsession with Blaming the Victim For the Crime (Usual Suspects)
13. Rampant Ignorance and Predilection to Continually Make the Wrong Assumptions (Usual Suspects)
14. Incessant Pissing and Moaning that Elections Were Fraudulent When Their Party gets An ***-Whopping (Usual Suspects)

You forgot one - posting rubbish like the above.
 
mentalfloss
#16
The best solution to this is a more accountable government, and that will only happen if there is enough media and public criticism of their actions and policy.

I wouldn't recommend privatization of science unless the profit of whichever sector actually coincides with the public good.
 
Cliffy
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

The best solution to this is a more accountable government, and that will only happen if there is enough media and public criticism of their actions and policy.

I wouldn't recommend privatization of science unless the profit of whichever sector actually coincides with the public good.

HaHaHa! Dreamer. The private sector is interested in only one thing and that is profits. You don't have to look any farther than Big Pharma to see that the public good is not even on the radar.
 
BruSan
#18
Want more proof just watch the current broohaha over the research on Bird Flu. To publish or not to publish, there's the question.

Talking heads will bore us to tears over that one before it's all out in the open anyway.
 
Machjo
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

HaHaHa! Dreamer. The private sector is interested in only one thing and that is profits. You don't have to look any farther than Big Pharma to see that the public good is not even on the radar.

Aren't NGOs private sector? Last I checked, even Greenpeace is an NGO.
 
taxslave
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

The best solution to this is a more accountable government, and that will only happen if there is enough media and public criticism of their actions and policy.

I wouldn't recommend privatization of science unless the profit of whichever sector actually coincides with the public good.

Anything that generates a profit is for the public good since profit is taxed to pay for all your freebies.
 
Machjo
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Anything that generates a profit is for the public good since profit is taxed to pay for all your freebies.

Well, not necessarily. Cigarettes make a profit too.
 
captain morgan
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Well, not necessarily. Cigarettes make a profit too.


The taxes on the cigs far exceed the profits made by the tobacco companies.
 
Machjo
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

The taxes on the cigs far exceed the profits made by the tobacco companies.

I was referring to the medical costs.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Anything that generates a profit is for the public good since profit is taxed to pay for all your freebies.

I was referring to this, Captain.
 
L Gilbert
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

The best solution to this is a more accountable government, and that will only happen if there is enough media and public criticism of their actions and policy.

I wouldn't recommend privatization of science unless the profit of whichever sector actually coincides with the public good.

Most science is a private matter. In Canada it is about 47% privately funded (corporate) vs about 34% publicly funded. The remainder is funded by individuals and societies.
 
Tonington
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

You forgot one - posting rubbish like the above.

That's assumed when one has a PhD in bovine excreta.
 
captain morgan
#26
Wow!.. You have a PhD in that?
 
L Gilbert
#27
I'm pretty sure Ton doesn't but shyte is researched and studied, yes.
 
captain morgan
#28
No doubt..
 
L Gilbert
+1
#29
Well yeah. People study politics don't they? lol
 
captain morgan
+1
#30
'Study' is a very generous descriptor.
 

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